Ted Thompson is a complete Idiot

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Yeah, that was pretty bad....

The draft in Butch Davis era in Cleveland was horrible...look at this list...
99-2003
1st Tim Couch
1st Courtney Brown
3rd Gerard Warren
16th William Green
21st Jeff Faine(thanks Cleveland for trading him to New Orleans where he became all pro, now he's with my BUCS)
 

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Farve now 0-6 against opponent in 34degrees or less.Also thru that interception in a big game that lead to the only TD of game.

Now I have to root for him next week to beat Miami:scared .
 

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favre, another fine effort, in the snow.


the packers suck on defense completely. this would cause favre to throw even more picks.


TT may be a bad guy for running brett off, but the def can't stop the run and al harris and charles woodson are old....
 

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btw

I don't think Brett has shown up in any game over the last few weeks.

:sadwave: :sadwave: :sadwave:

Rocking chair time
 

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Wow.

If numbers are king (and usually they are), then this statement blows me away.

We all know this "how many Super Bowls have you won" thing is stupid - it is so dependant on the guys around you when you play.

So, who's better? Show me somebody that has to play their home games in cold weather. It is easy to pass for big numbers in a dome (Peyton Manning).

Dan Marino? Oh yea, he hasn't won a Super Bowl. (not that it matters). He is 2nd in TD passes. In fact, he holds no career QB records that I know of.

Favre may not be the best ever (there have been a lot of good QB's) - but he is certainly in the top 10.

His consecutive game streak alone, in my mind, gets him there. That streak, in the NFL, puts even Ripken's to shame. And I LIKE Cal Ripken, mind you.

AGREE, AND EVEN HIS ROOKIE CARD IS WORTH MORE THAN THE LIKES OF MANNING AND SOME OTHERS. NEW RECORDS HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY THAT HE IS A GREAT QB, DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE BREAKING RECORDS ANYTIME SOON! :mj06:
 

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AGREE, AND EVEN HIS ROOKIE CARD IS WORTH MORE THAN THE LIKES OF MANNING AND SOME OTHERS. NEW RECORDS HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY THAT HE IS A GREAT QB, DON'T SEE ANYBODY ELSE BREAKING RECORDS ANYTIME SOON! :mj06:

Thats just it.Consecitive game streaks??Who cares.
Hes won a SB,and thats my measure.

How many times has he choked under pressure??Tons.Id rather see someone like Brady injured for season,knowing hes won 3 SB,then see someone play consecutive games wearing out his welcome get it.?? Farve time has come.
 

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This "love 'em or hate 'em" attitude towards Favre is unreal....

I don't know how people could hate him - as much as he's done for GB and the NFL... but I guess people get sick of hearing his name so many years...

Same thing happened to Marino at the end of his long career - and Broadway Joe and even Unitas...

I guess it's better to be a fragile player and not play as many games, so you don't wear out your welcome.... like Joe Montana, who started approximately 70% of the games he should have, due to all the nagging injuries.

Say what you want, but Favre's career has been fun to watch in GB... in fact, they just had an article in the local paper today (Milw Journal Sentinel) about how much sales are down for apparrel, bars, ticket scalping, etc.... which had just as much to do with Favre being gone as the record being bad (and I still think the lack of leadership and skill at QB - with NO 4th quarter comebacks this year - Rodgers was 0-6 or 0-7, had a big part of it)....

Go NY Jets!!!!

And, Bye Bye Ted Thompson... :sadwave:
 

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This "love 'em or hate 'em" attitude towards Favre is unreal....

I don't know how people could hate him - as much as he's done for GB and the NFL... but I guess people get sick of hearing his name so many years...

Same thing happened to Marino at the end of his long career - and Broadway Joe and even Unitas...

I guess it's better to be a fragile player and not play as many games, so you don't wear out your welcome.... like Joe Montana, who started approximately 70% of the games he should have, due to all the nagging injuries.

I don't think it has anything to do with "hating" Favre. I certainly don't hate him. But, I like to think I can recognize when a player needs to move on.

Also, as far as that fragile Joe Montana........I'm pretty sure he still played in an era when a quarterback was one of the players on the field who could get hit/tackled/thrown to the ground, like any of the other guys out there, and a flag for fifteen yards didn't come flying in!

Favre never played a SINGLE game in that era.
 

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Say what you want, but Favre's career has been fun to watch in GB... in fact, they just had an article in the local paper today (Milw Journal Sentinel) about how much sales are down for apparrel, bars, ticket scalping, etc.... which had just as much to do with Favre being gone as the record being bad (and I still think the lack of leadership and skill at QB - with NO 4th quarter comebacks this year - Rodgers was 0-6 or 0-7, had a big part of it)....

Go NY Jets!!!!

And, Bye Bye Ted Thompson... :sadwave:


The price of oil has plummeted since Favre left, too. Unemployment is at a near all-time high......businesses are shutting down......let's not even talk about the stock market!

It's unreal the effect he's had on the nation's economy!
 

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I don't think it has anything to do with "hating" Favre. I certainly don't hate him. But, I like to think I can recognize when a player needs to move on.

Also, as far as that fragile Joe Montana........I'm pretty sure he still played in an era when a quarterback was one of the players on the field who could get hit/tackled/thrown to the ground, like any of the other guys out there, and a flag for fifteen yards didn't come flying in!

Favre never played a SINGLE game in that era.

Well, actually their career overlapped by 3 years...

But good ole' Joe retired at age 38... really he retired at age 34, as he only started 25 out of a possible 64 games after the age of 34...

Joe was good, but certainly wasn't tough... I don't remember Favre missing a game, even if he was dinged up.

And back in Montana's era, linemen weren't nearly as big as they are today.

Tough to compare eras, but you gotta respect a guy that has NEVER missed a start due to injury.

Compare that to a guy that didn't even start 32% of the games after age 34???? Yea, I'm not impressed with brittle Joe....

I'm not sure why you are such a Favre hater.. he is God in Packer territory - without him, we never would have had Reggie White, nor been in 2 super bowls, nor had the run that we did.

See what has happened this year? 5-9? Get used to it. If Aaron wasn't 0-7 in 4th quarter comebacks (and this happens all the time - the last team with the ball win NFL games all the time), maybe we would be better than 5-9.

The survey that ESPN showed, where 39 states said the Packers would have made the playoffs with Favre this year, and only 7 states said no....Obviously the rest of the country can see the obvious.

I see that you are in the minority here YYZ. And that is usually the case - which is why you tend to ruffle feathers and piss people off.
 
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Well, Aaron has his chance this game.... with GREAT field position....

I'm rooting for him... if he goes 0-8, it won't help his confidence for next year...

In this case, 1-8 is a LOT better than 0-8 in 4th quarter comebacks...

Go Aaron....:00hour
 

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There is the difference between the Packers and the Giants...

The Giants go for the TD... the Packers play for a FG....

And that is why they will probably lose.

Throw 1 pass, Bears are playing run, and you probably have a TD.

Oh well - this one isn't on Rodgers - he got them there .......
 

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You'll reach for any straw that you can, to build your house of shame.

"Get used to it"............

And I'm a hater?

You're as bitter as they come, sunshine.

I saw Favre go 4-12 TWO short years ago. I doubt the Rodgers era will ever have a record that poor.

Like I said before..........I'll be here to rub your dick in it EVERY SINGLE DAY in the short time it takes to turn this ship around.

Fucking Favre could somehow take this shit team to the playoffs, when he isn't even going to get his OWN team there, after having the first 8 games gift wrapped for him?????????? :mj07:

37 states full of half-wits, pally!
 

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You'll reach for any straw that you can, to build your house of shame.

"Get used to it"............

And I'm a hater?

You're as bitter as they come, sunshine.

I saw Favre go 4-12 TWO short years ago. I doubt the Rodgers era will ever have a record that poor.

Like I said before..........I'll be here to rub your dick in it EVERY SINGLE DAY in the short time it takes to turn this ship around.

Fucking Favre could somehow take this shit team to the playoffs, when he isn't even going to get his OWN team there, after having the first 8 games gift wrapped for him?????????? :mj07:

37 states full of half-wits, pally!

OK, YYZ, you are so sure that Favre is not all that good....

The Favre ERA had ONE season below .500 - over 16 seasons......

Rodgers has played one year - below .500

So here is the bet - I'll bet you $1K that Rodgers has at least 1 more year in his career (must play 16 years in GB for you to win) that the Packers will finish the regular season under .500.

If your boy is as great as you make him, and Favre is as bad as you say, this should be found money for you.

So you are betting $1K that the Packers do not have a losing season in the next 15 years with Rodgers at QB. If Rodgers doesn't play the next 15 years OR the Packers have a losing season in the next 15 years, you lose.

IF you win the bet, then you'll have proven yourself right.

Put your money where your pie whole is, big boy.

Hey, if you win the bet, you may even be able to afford the stamp to MAIL in your cable bill, instead of walking it down there each month! :mj07:
 

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That's just asinine logic, Mags. If Favre were 26, then it would have been a horrible move to let him go. As it is, Favre is 39 and isn't near the QB he once was. You seem to have a difficult time separating the concept of "hating Favre" and "recognizing that he's not the player he was a decade ago." I'm not even a Packer fan and I loved watching Favre when I was growing up in Wisconsin. But Thompson absolutely made the right decision, and it has nothing to do with hating Favre or thinking Rodgers' career will match Favre's. It is because Rodgers is the better option, and this is a move that will pay dividends in the upcoming years for that team.
 

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That's just asinine logic, Mags. If Favre were 26, then it would have been a horrible move to let him go. As it is, Favre is 39 and isn't near the QB he once was. You seem to have a difficult time separating the concept of "hating Favre" and "recognizing that he's not the player he was a decade ago." I'm not even a Packer fan and I loved watching Favre when I was growing up in Wisconsin. But Thompson absolutely made the right decision, and it has nothing to do with hating Favre or thinking Rodgers' career will match Favre's. It is because Rodgers is the better option, and this is a move that will pay dividends in the upcoming years for that team.

BJ - I don't disagree that Rodgers is the future for this team.

Where I do disagree is with the timing - this team was 13-3 last year. This was not the time to bring in a rookie QB, lacking in leadership and end of the game skills, to lead a very good team.

Now, if the Packers were 6-10 in 2007 (as they will likely be this year), then I would have said "yes, the time is come, we are rebuilding so lets make the change now".

I just don't think, when coming off a 13-3 year, that you give away a QB coming off a Pro Bowl season, who is one of the best of all time, to give the job to basically a rookie.

TT basically threw in the towel before the season started by giving away Favre and refusing to sign any veteran help for this team. It is very disappointing. While Rodgers has played well for a 1st year QB, putting him in that position basically guaranteed a non playoff year.

And yes, I do believe the intangibles of playing with a true leader, an NFL legend, does affect the players around him, even if Favre himself doesn't play as well as he used to (although he was great in 2007). That is evident in NY. While Favre isn't the only reason they had such a huge turnaround in one year, he is certainly a large part of what has gone on there.

TT made this move 1 year too early - after this year, assuming that the team would have been terrible with Favre (which I don't think would have been the case), then it would have been the perfect time. But then you don't trade him under any circumstances. You "force" him to retire. The Packers wouldn't be in this mess if they just hung on to him, and let him compete for the job in training camp. If Rodgers was the better QB in camp, then I'm sure he'd have gotten the job.

You didn't see the Bulls trading away Michael Jordan after a playoff run, did you?

There are certain guys you don't trade. Ripken, Jeter, Jordan, Favre, Marino, W. Payton, B. Sanders, etc. Legends are untradable in my opinion.
 
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