Lincoln ranked best president by historians

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WASHINGTON ? Just days after the nation honored the 200th anniversary of his birth, 65 historians ranked Abraham Lincoln as the nation's best president.

Former President George W. Bush, who left office last month, was ranked 36th out of the 42 men who had been chief executive by the end of 2008, according to a survey conducted by the cable channel C-SPAN.

Bush scored lowest in international relations, where he was ranked 41st, and in economic management, where he was ranked 40th. His highest ranking, 24th, was in the category of pursuing equal justice for all. He was ranked 25th in crisis leadership and vision and agenda setting.

In contrast, Lincoln was ranked in the top three in each of the 10 categories evaluated by participants.

In C-SPAN's only other ranking of presidents, in 2000, former President Bill Clinton jumped six spots from No. 21 to 15. Other recent presidents moved positions as well: Ronald Reagan advanced from No. 11 to 10, George H.W. Bush rose from No. 20 to 18 and Jimmy Carter fell from No. 22 to 25.

This movement illustrates that presidential reputations are influenced by present-day concerns, said survey adviser and participant Edna Medford.

"Today's concerns shape our views of the past, be it in the area of foreign policy, managing the economy or human rights," Medford said in a statement.

After Lincoln, the academics rated George Washington, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt and Harry Truman as the best leaders overall. The same five received top spots in the 2000 survey, although Washington and Franklin D. Roosevelt swapped spots this year.

Rated worst overall were James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Franklin Pierce, William Henry Harrison and Warren G. Harding.

The survey was conducted in December and January. Participants ranked each president on a scale of one, "not effective" to 10, "very effective," on a list of 10 leadership qualities including relations with Congress, public persuasion and moral authority.
 

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jimmy carter 22?.......obviously a very objective poll :mj02:

as far as objectivity--here's the clincher--:)

Their ranking on "pursued equal justice for all-
We have multi-felon-impeached-disbarred--white water con-pardon 10 most wanted--ranked 4th

Pursued Equal Justice for All
President's Name 2009
Final Score Category Ranking 2009
Overall Ranking
2009 2000
Abraham Lincoln 94.3 1 1 1
Lyndon B. Johnson 91.5 2 2 11
Harry S. Truman 79.2 3 3 5
Bill Clinton 73.0 4 5 15
Jimmy Carter 70.3 5 4 25
John F. Kennedy 70.3 6 7 6
Franklin D. Roosevelt 66.9 7 6 3
Theodore Roosevelt 65.3 8 9 4
Ulysses S. Grant 62.1 9 18 23
Dwight D. Eisenhower 59.5 10 10 8
John Quincy Adams 58.5 11 8 19
Gerald R. Ford 51.2 12 15 22
George Washington 51.2 13 12 2
George H. W. Bush 48.7 14 17 18
John Adams 48.3 15 14 17
Ronald Reagan 45.4 16 25 10
Thomas Jefferson 45.4 17 11 7
Richard M. Nixon 43.9 18 19 27
William Howard Taft 43.8 19 26 24
James Madison 42.9 20 13 20
William McKinley 42.7 21 22 16
James A. Garfield 42.2 22 21 28
Benjamin Harrison 42.1 23 28 30
George W. Bush 39.8 24 NA 36
Grover Cleveland 39.8 25 23 21
James Monroe 38.4 26 16 13
Woodrow Wilson 38.4 27 20 9
Martin Van Buren 37.7 28 30 31
Chester A. Arthur 37.6 29 29 32
Calvin Coolidge 37.0 30 34 26
Herbert Hoover 36.3 31 31 34
Zachary Taylor 33.1 32 27 29
Rutherford B. Hayes 32.7 33 24 33
Warren G. Harding 32.2 34 37 38
Andrew Jackson 31.9 35 32 13
James K. Polk 30.2 36 33 12
William Henry Harrison 28.5 37 36 39
Millard Fillmore 26.9 38 35 37
John Tyler 24.6 39 38 35
Andrew Johnson 24.3 40 39 41
Franklin D. Pierce 20.0 41 40 40
James Buchanan 16.2 42 41 42
 

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Judging by the condition he left the country in it is hard to imagine anyone being worse than W. :shrug:
 

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the list above, where LBJ ranks #2, is for the category "Pursued Equal Justice For All"

LBJ scored 41.9 in "International Relations"

below is the Overall Rankings (LBJ is #11, down from #10 in 2000)

2009 Overall Ranking (Final Score is first number, second number is Overall Ranking for 2009, third number is ranking from 2000)

Abraham Lincoln 902 1 1
George Washington 854 2 3
Franklin D. Roosevelt 837 3 2
Theodore Roosevelt 781 4 4
Harry S. Truman 708 5 5
John F. Kennedy 701 6 8
Thomas Jefferson 698 7 7
Dwight D. Eisenhower 689 8 9
Woodrow Wilson 683 9 6
Ronald Reagan 671 10 11
Lyndon B. Johnson 641 11 10
James K. Polk 606 12 12
Andrew Jackson 606 13 13
James Monroe 605 14 14
Bill Clinton 605 15 21
William McKinley 599 16 15
John Adams 545 17 16
George H. W. Bush 542 18 20
John Quincy Adams 542 19 19
James Madison 535 20 18
Grover Cleveland 523 21 17
Gerald R. Ford 509 22 23
Ulysses S. Grant 490 23 33
William Howard Taft 485 24 24
Jimmy Carter 474 25 22
Calvin Coolidge 469 26 27
Richard M. Nixon 450 27 25
James A. Garfield 445 28 29
Zachary Taylor 443 29 28
Benjamin Harrison 442 30 31
Martin Van Buren 435 31 30
Chester A. Arthur 420 32 32
Rutherford B. Hayes 409 33 26
Herbert Hoover 389 34 34
John Tyler 372 35 36
George W. Bush 362 36 NA
Millard Fillmore 351 37 35
Warren G. Harding 327 38 38
William Henry Harrison 324 39 37
Franklin D. Pierce 287 40 39
Andrew Johnson 258 41 40
James Buchanan 227 42 41
 

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the list above, where LBJ ranks #2, is for the category "Pursued Equal Justice For All"

LBJ scored 41.9 in "International Relations"

below is the Overall Rankings (LBJ is #11, down from #10 in 2000)

2009 Overall Ranking (Final Score is first number, second number is Overall Ranking for 2009, third number is ranking from 2000)

Abraham Lincoln 902 1 1
George Washington 854 2 3
Franklin D. Roosevelt 837 3 2
Theodore Roosevelt 781 4 4
Harry S. Truman 708 5 5
John F. Kennedy 701 6 8
Thomas Jefferson 698 7 7
Dwight D. Eisenhower 689 8 9
Woodrow Wilson 683 9 6
Ronald Reagan 671 10 11
Lyndon B. Johnson 641 11 10
James K. Polk 606 12 12
Andrew Jackson 606 13 13
James Monroe 605 14 14
Bill Clinton 605 15 21
William McKinley 599 16 15
John Adams 545 17 16
George H. W. Bush 542 18 20
John Quincy Adams 542 19 19
James Madison 535 20 18
Grover Cleveland 523 21 17
Gerald R. Ford 509 22 23
Ulysses S. Grant 490 23 33
William Howard Taft 485 24 24
Jimmy Carter 474 25 22
Calvin Coolidge 469 26 27
Richard M. Nixon 450 27 25
James A. Garfield 445 28 29
Zachary Taylor 443 29 28
Benjamin Harrison 442 30 31
Martin Van Buren 435 31 30
Chester A. Arthur 420 32 32
Rutherford B. Hayes 409 33 26
Herbert Hoover 389 34 34
John Tyler 372 35 36
George W. Bush 362 36 NA
Millard Fillmore 351 37 35
Warren G. Harding 327 38 38
William Henry Harrison 324 39 37
Franklin D. Pierce 287 40 39
Andrew Johnson 258 41 40
James Buchanan 227 42 41

OK, makes more sense. But #11 still seems pretty high for a guy that sent us into perhaps the stupidest conflict in our history.
 

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Eisenhower sent us there.

JFK expanded it and made it what it was.

LBJ just did (with misgivings) what the "best and the brightest" Kennedy experts told him to do in the war.

LBJ did the Civil Rights stuff on his own. Without him there, it woulda taken at least a decade more to accomplish.
 

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Eisenhower sent us there.

JFK expanded it and made it what it was.

LBJ just did (with misgivings) what the "best and the brightest" Kennedy experts told him to do in the war.

LBJ did the Civil Rights stuff on his own. Without him there, it woulda taken at least a decade more to accomplish.

That's your theory.
 

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yup, my theory

yup, my theory

You've read David Halberstam's classic "The Best and the Brightest" (1972)?

And stuff declassified in recent years been very revealing.

still, I would rank LBJ lower. Put more economic historians in the poll mix and not just LBJ goes down, but FDR way down and some folks like Coolidge, Wilson and Ronnie would climb up a bit.
 

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With every new authority on presidential history.. LBJ gets higher and higher. mostly based on the civil rights stuff.

It is still amazing after all this time, it is still the same repubs vs the same old dems in here. Even after the horrific bush 8 years. If I were a republican I'd just sit back and hope my friends and family forgot which way I tried to sway their vote.. twice
 
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With every new authority on presidential history.. LBJ gets higher and higher. mostly based on the civil rights stuff.

It is still amazing after all this time, it is still the same repubs vs the same old dems in here. Even after the horrific bush 8 years. If I were a republican I'd just sit back and hope my friends and family forgot which way I tried to sway their vote.. twice

Maybe you could expand on specifics per above.

I see only a few things in last 8 years that you personally had no control over--

-If you pay taxes -you benefited
-If you had home--you could have reduced your mortgage rates.

Both put more of your money in your pocket.

--Unless GW had handicapping service you subscribed to--can't see where you'd have beef with him. :)
 

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Maybe you could expand on specifics per above.

I see only a few things in last 8 years that you personally had no control over--

-If you pay taxes -you benefited
-If you had home--you could have reduced your mortgage rates.

Both put more of your money in your pocket.

--Unless GW had handicapping service you subscribed to--can't see where you'd have beef with him. :)




Its a crying shame we have those things called term limits. I'm sure if he could have run again he would have won in a landside. :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
 

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You've read David Halberstam's classic "The Best and the Brightest" (1972)?

And stuff declassified in recent years been very revealing.

still, I would rank LBJ lower. Put more economic historians in the poll mix and not just LBJ goes down, but FDR way down and some folks like Coolidge, Wilson and Ronnie would climb up a bit.

I've read portions of that. These theories don't take into account personalities and various intangibles. I believe Kennedy would never have escalated the 'conflict'. Kind of like what separates people like Reagan from people like Bush. Reagan and Kennedy knew how to be tough internationally without being careless with lives. LBJ and Bush did not have this characteristic.
 
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