HR People, Recruiters...

[dogface]

Need your thoughts on this....

Most of you know I was hit with a layoff back at the end of January this year. So, besides postin gmore than normal, I have been enjoying some time off... now here is a good dilemma.

I have been sent a job offer packet today from a company I have been interviewing with. Thought an offer was coming awhile ago, but then due to the market they decided to hold off on the hiring. They recently called back, subsequently I went in again (4th interview) and they said they would be finalizing things shortly. I check in with HR and they mentioned I would be contacted shortly... well the contact must have been the packet I received. (Job offer in hand)

Here is the dilemma;

1) The offer is around $10k off salary wise to the low end.

They do not offer a company vehicle, car insurance, gas etc. which I am accustomed to. (However they do offer a monthly car stipend for you to apply towards a car, in the $400+ range monthly as well as a mileage compensation which is lower than I thought. .18 a mile) I do not own a car at present, and am not excited about getting one. LOL!

Benefits are ok, not special and close to being comparable, vacation is not listed so not discussed as of yet. (That will be a discussion point. I refuse to give up my time earned, that is a personlal thing for me... time is valuable and a recharge is necessary in sales IMO!)

So in a nutshell. How or what is appropriate in doing a counter offer, in terms of salary and vacation (if it is like less than 3 weeks)? Is their a strategy that works more often than not. I imagine their are ranges or levels on new hires, how do I find that out to maximize my salary with them.


Also I do have around 4-5 leads on new positions, some for sure pay more, but there is no certainty in the position for me as we are in only 2-3 interviews of 4-5. Literally after each interview it is a week, so I don truly care to miss out on an opportunity, but I do have a family to feed and a life to live.

Thoughts and opinions... jobs are at a premium I get that... but so is my value! (Even though, y house can't say the same!!)


dogface

 

[layinwood]

It's a sales job so the most important question is, how's the commission structure? Basically are they making up for low balling by atleast taking care of you on the important end.

 

[kneifl]

There's nothing wrong with taking the offer and if another one of the leads comes along later once you start working with a better overall deal, jet and take that.

It's important that you start to work again IMO who knows when the next offer will come in, and if it will soon? Good luck!

kneifl

 

[ageecee]

I would take the job and always be looking for another job that you want

 

[dogface]

It's a sales job so the most important question is, how's the commission structure? Basically are they making up for low balling by atleast taking care of you on the important end.

Commission is lower but uncapped. Roughly 20-30% of of total compensation.

Thanks for the thoughts guys, first instinct is to take the job, and then keep looking. Ethically there are small issues with it, but then again.. jobs dictate when you work don't they based on markets etc.

Anyone have thoughts on negotiating more money, vacation time etc...



dogface

 

[mjalam]

Commission is lower but uncapped. Roughly 20-30% of of total compensation.

Thanks for the thoughts guys, first instinct is to take the job, and then keep looking. Ethically there are small issues with it, but then again.. jobs dictate when you work don't they based on markets etc.

Anyone have thoughts on negotiating more money, vacation time etc...



dogface

I would take the job and then your performance will give you the opportunity for better pay..especially when times improve.

 

[marine]

I would take the job and then your performance will give you the opportunity for better pay..especially when times improve.

moneywise...

call the recruiter. ask him if he remembers your previous discussions with him and what your salary expectations were. Berate him for not listening to you and wasting paper printing that piece of chit offer on it.
Tell him/her to write a check from their own account to cover the difference.

:mj07:

vacation time: yer probably not going to be able to negotiate on this point.

In short, let them know what you are accustomed to in terms of salary and bennies and that they arent even coming close. And you refuse to lower yourself down to the sewers that they apparently work in.


OR.........
call the recruiter. let them know the salary is much lower than anticipated, as well as the bennies. let him know you are looking over the offer but very hesitant and that if they can find a way to give you XXX, then you'll be much more receptive.

 

[lawtchan]

a bird in the hand is worth two in a bush....

or some $hit like that...

TAKE THE JOB...


then take ur time in finding what s RIGHT for u...

 

[The Joker]

a bird in the hand is worth two in a bush....

or some $hit like that...

TAKE THE JOB...


then take ur time in finding what s RIGHT for u...

I agree with Law here....

Also - I am sure you know this - you have to be the biggest revenue generator on the entire sales staff before you can ask for additional luxuries. Like a company car, all gas paid for, benefits paid for etc....

 

[dogface]

I agree with Law here....

Also - I am sure you know this - you have to be the biggest revenue generator on the entire sales staff before you can ask for additional luxuries. Like a company car, all gas paid for, benefits paid for etc....

Not necessarily true. I haven't had a position over the last 8 years that did not provide me with those items mentioned. :shrug:

dogface

 

[dogface]

moneywise...

call the recruiter. ask him if he remembers your previous discussions with him and what your salary expectations were. Berate him for not listening to you and wasting paper printing that piece of chit offer on it.
Tell him/her to write a check from their own account to cover the difference.

:mj07:

vacation time: yer probably not going to be able to negotiate on this point.

In short, let them know what you are accustomed to in terms of salary and bennies and that they arent even coming close. And you refuse to lower yourself down to the sewers that they apparently work in.


OR.........
call the recruiter. let them know the salary is much lower than anticipated, as well as the bennies. let him know you are looking over the offer but very hesitant and that if they can find a way to give you XXX, then you'll be much more receptive.

Thanks marine... no recruiter involved on this one, it was via careerbuilder.com

really no adjusting on vacation?

dogface

 

[The Joker]

Not necessarily true. I haven't had a position over the last 8 years that did not provide me with those items mentioned. :shrug:

dogface

I understand - but companies are cutting down on expenses now - so now you have to produce to get what you want - it is very rare right now to walk in the door with the items you want......just take that into consideration.

 

[THE KOD]

take the job with no more comment

no salary comments, no vacation comments, get your foot in the door and prove your abilitys like you know you will.

in this economy and unempoyment rate you are nuts not to accept with no more chance for them to think about it.

They may have other candidates that will step in without question.

Lets see... out of work since Jan, had a pretty good time during off..... economy still not recovered until next year, jobs still very scarse.

take the job !

 

[eman]

take the job with no more comment

no salary comments, no vacation comments, get your foot in the door and prove your abilitys like you know you will.

in this economy and unempoyment rate you are nuts not to accept with no more chance for them to think about it.

They may have other candidates that will step in without question.

Lets see... out of work since Jan, had a pretty good time during off..... economy still not recovered until next year, jobs still very scarse.

take the job !

:mj06:

I am sure it pays more than unemployment and the possibilty to make more is there.

 

[marine]

Thanks marine... no recruiter involved on this one, it was via careerbuilder.com

really no adjusting on vacation?

dogface

vacation time is company mandated. for the most part.

as for careerbuilder... wtf, you think the job just posted itself or something? The company that is offering you the job has a recruiter talking to you, passing your resume to the hiring managers, etc.

 

[layinwood]

vacation time is company mandated. for the most part.

as for careerbuilder... wtf, you think the job just posted itself or something? The company that is offering you the job has a recruiter talking to you, passing your resume to the hiring managers, etc.

Marine, you know better than that. Depending on the company size, the actual hiring manager themselves could have posted the job. Not every company has a recruiter, heck a lot don't even have HR directors.

 

[kneifl]

Marine, you know better than that. Depending on the company size, the actual hiring manager themselves could have posted the job. Not every company has a recruiter, heck a lot don't even have HR directors.

Correct. I wonder why companies like Monster and Careerbuilder spend big money on advertising. Oh, that's right.... I almost forgot, to have recruiters use their site:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie

kneifl

 

[marine]

Marine, you know better than that. Depending on the company size, the actual hiring manager themselves could have posted the job. Not every company has a recruiter, heck a lot don't even have HR directors.

Apparently, this company does.


They recently called back, subsequently I went in again (4th interview) and they said they would be finalizing things shortly. I check in with HR and they mentioned I would be contacted shortly... well the contact must have been the packet I received. (Job offer in hand)

 

[marine]

Correct. I wonder why companies like Monster and Careerbuilder spend big money on advertising. Oh, that's right.... I almost forgot, to have recruiters use their site:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie

kneifl

I have no idea how to even understand what you wrote here, but I'm guessing one of your "close friends who is a recruiter" told you all about it.

any chance you can step outside with me and explain what you think you mean?:142smilie :142smilie

 

[kneifl]

I have no idea how to even understand what you wrote here, but I'm guessing one of your "close friends who is a recruiter" told you all about it.

any chance you can step outside with me and explain what you think you mean?:142smilie :142smilie

:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie

kneifl