Let's be honest. National league sucks
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These teams will get swept by la or ny
real baseball is played in the NL
managers don't have to do shit in the AL but just field a team and watch.
He gets credit for what? The way they play? They play like a NL team but Gardenhire still doesn't have to do shit compared to an NL team.
These teams will get swept by la or ny
Amen to that if they play real baseball why do pitchers that come from NL suck in the AL or the AL pitchers go to NL and are awesome cliff lee was in triple A 2 years ago..............vicente padilla are u kiddin he was put on waivers and no one wanted him...........brad penny WOW john SMOLTZ DOUBLE WOW I can go on and ON Oh lets not forget the big cry baby randy johnson as a yankee ......garbage NL is a joke only reason they won last year is because the Rays were there and not a real AL team
These teams will get swept by la or ny
Agreed. There are a couple of good offenses in the NL, but for the most part it's excruciating to watch a lot of those teams try to hit. I have a buddy who is a Giants fan. I told him he should be ashamed of himself for cheering for a team that had Ray frigging Durham as its cleanup hitter. :mj07:
Ok, so that was a couple of years ago, but there are plenty of teams these days that you could replace the Giants with.
I think that's the best argument for the AL's superiority, IMO. Mediocre to poor pitchers go to the NL and somehow become world beaters. The Cardinals are a great example -- during the end of his tenure with the M's Pineiro was so bad he was almost out of the league completely. The Red Sox took a flyer on him, put him in the bullpen in mop-up duty, and he got shelled. But wouldn't you know it, he gets traded to the NL and somehow sports an ERA barely over 3. Wow.
Franklin was another Mariner who was a #5 type pitcher. Marginal talent at best. He goes to the Cardinals and becomes a lights-out closer. Go figure.
Ridiculous!! Do u think it might have something to do with the staff/pitching coach in pineiro's case in st louis. Carpenter is the only true ace, they rest were made by an excellent staff who can work wonders. Futhermore by this logic are u telling me the lincecum would be garbage in the AL. Bad pitchers regularly get new life with new team and they get light up eventually. Its just like those rookies getting called up, they usually overachieve their first game cuz few have seen their stuff. No doubt the AL has heavy bats but i wont ever say that my dodgers or the phillies couldnt beat the yanks or angels in a series. I hope the Yankees beat the angels so i can get the most value for my dollar when i take a couple shots againts 'em. Ok i will say this , Yanks are looking pretty damn solid, and the Angels are downright scary too. Both beatable.
how about barry zito when he came over to the NL? True stud in the AL, couldn't win a game for the giants and brutal. finally had an ok year this year. everyone said the phils would lose to tb last year because the al was so good, how did that work out? world series will be competitive this year with the 4 teams who are remaining.
No pitcher ever succeeds in the AL? How about Carl Pavano having a great year with the Twins, after getting destroyed in NY and doing decent in the NL. What about Jake Peavy flat out mowing down hitters? 20 IP only 3er in the AL.
Real baseball? WTF is a DH? How the hell is that real baseball? LOL...learn how to fucking field a ball for crying out loud.
Padilla was put on waivers because his attitude, not his performance.
Penny was odd man out, and actually had a couple nice starts for BOS
Cards staff said they noticed Smoltz mechanics were off and he was tipping pitches.
Baseball is more than just what you see, and translate it over and over, if you haven't noticed.
BTW- Randy Johnson is an AL guy, and faired pretty well with the M's then the Astros and DBacks...*YAWNS*
Could really go on and on about this all day.
Ever think that maybe it's not just talent? That's why there are pitching coaches. I think Duncan and La Russa are better than anything the Mariners have, well...ever had?? LOL
Sure, the Cards could very well have better pitching coaches than the M's. I wouldn't doubt that for a second. But you're isolating ONE scenario there. There are plenty of poor pitchers who go from the AL to the NL and "magically" turn things around. It's more about the fact that the NL's hitters are completely inferior to the AL hitters, generally speaking.
And you're really grasping at straws by saying I would argue that Lincecum would be "garbage" in the AL. Elite pitchers will have success in either league. I was talking about marginal/poor pitchers in the AL going to the NL and doing well due to the lack of offense in the NL.
I just answered the previous post and didn't realize you mentioned the same thing. My general answer is that coaching helps, sure, but it's more about the ineptitude of NL hitters. Getting to face a pitcher instead of a DH helps, too.
And I don't disagree about the Cards having good pitching coaches. They do. More to your point though... Brian Price was the pitching coach when Pineiro was with the M's. Price is a very good pitching coach. He had a lot to do with the success of the M's pitchers when he was there. Pineiro was just garbage after his arm surgery, and a bit of a headcase.
Price went on to have great success with the D'Backs after he followed Melvin to Arizona, so I don't think the pitching coach argument really holds water with Pineiro. He had a good one, he just shit the bed repeatedly and needed to get traded to a weaker league to resurrect his career.
The NL managing aspect is way over rated in my opinion. I have watched many national league games and it really isn't that hard to determine when you need to pinch hit for a pitcher and many times an 8th hitter.. That is why the American League is better.. Most teams in the AL have much better hitting in the bottom of the order. Look at interleague play.. The AL teams have no problem going into National League parks and kicking their ass. They have to give up the DH.. It's not better managing.
One more thing with Gardy, he had to manage more this year due to injury and the bottom of the lineup was horrible at the plate. He doesn't have the BIG GUNS to come in off the bench to pinch hit for the likes of Gomez, Punto, and Tolbert.
I will admit that there is more strategy in NL games. There is more bunting, more hit and runs, etc. But that's because the hitters aren't as good, so they have to manufacture runs. "Small ball" is just a euphemism for lack of power.
Lets be real...take away New York and Boston...and where is your real teams? It's obvious why they have the best hitters...because it's where the money is at. Not only that, but lets talk about championships outside of them.
Outside of New York and Boston, the AL is played like the NL, they just have the DH.
Also, for BDB to say that managing in the NL is overrated is to have never watched a game. You say it's so easy, then what do you do if the game is tied, 0-0, 7th inning, runners on 2nd & 3rd, 2 outs. Pitcher is up, pitching great(low pitch count)...do you pull him or pinch hit?
In the AL, no problem, we got the DH...no worries. Not a lick of managing being done.
I wouldn't say the AL is played like the NL at all. I don't see teams like the O's and Blue Jays bunting runners over too much. Not saying it NEVER happens, but it's much more prevalent in the NL than the AL. There is more of an "all or nothing" approach in the AL. And I can totally understand somebody not liking that type of ball. Like I said, there is actually more strategy in the NL. My initial post was mainly to say that there are some teams in the NL that I just can't handle watching. I think I would rather attend an insurance seminar than a Padres/D'Backs game, for example.
As for your scenario, is it the bottom of the 7th or the top? That could mean 3 more innings to get through the 9th, or two. And it would depend on the pitch count, and just how well my pitcher was pitching. If he was throwing a 1-hitter and only 70 pitches thrown, I let him hit because he could probably go 3 more scoreless. If he's closer to 100 pitches, I probably yank him and try to take a 2-run lead, hoping my bullpen can come in and close it out.
FWIW, I actually liked NL play in the mid-80's when I was a kid. There was still a lack of power, but the game was exciting because there was a ton of stealing. Watching Coleman & McGee was always fun. Although I prefer offense over small ball, I have to admit I appreciate the aggressiveness of stealing. The fact that the league leaders in steals usually have between 50-60 steals these days is kind of embarrassing if you ask me.
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Every time I read your posts they scream ignorance. Seriously, just about every time. Did you ever play baseball or do you just regurgitate Buster Olney and other non-ball players that think they know the game because they hang out in locker rooms?
Yes, I did...but what does playing the game have anything to do with it? Shouldn't the greatest players be the best managers then?
Your argument screams ignorance.
Afterall, lets use your sentimate against you. What exactly makes you right on this issue?
