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oh damn i can hardly contain myself :142smilie


you two are two insurance peas in a pod

pulling each others puds.

well iits time to reach in to your pockets my friends and pull out what you owe me

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I don't think I've heard of anyone that has ingrained so strongly "I was born, so the government owes me". Didn't your parents raise you correctly? My dad always told me "There is no free lunch - if you want something, you must work for it".

Your dad must have said "Son, just sit back and whine long enough, and the government will give you anything you want. It's not fair for you to have to work for it! You are an American, damn it! Have OTHER people work hard so YOU can have the things that you want".

On the backroom deal between Big Pharma and Obama - yes, it does exist. If you'd been paying attention, it was discussed ad nauseum during the Senate hearings on health care on Monday. It has also been discussed in many articles on Politico.

Just because you aren't informed and certainly aren't keeping up on what is going on (other than "what do I get for free"), don't assume that other folks are making things up just because the liberal blog you are reading does not give you all the facts.

I've tried to give you a fair shake - I've even tried to find ways to find you health care access in the current system. I thought you were just someone down on your luck, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

It is clear that I shouldn't have done so. You appear to be one of the Americans that just expects to have everything handed to them, and just don't want to have to work to actually earn it. And we have way too many of those type of folks in our country already.
 

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Mags, could you provide a couple links to those stories you refer to - the ones about the back door deal with Obama and Big Pharma? I spent a few minutes using the search feature at Politico.com, and could find nothing specific talking about back room deals, or not cutting their reimbursement scenarios. Certainly not saying it didn't happen, I'd just like to see the specifics on it, and I don't have time this morning to wade through Politico's archives.

I do want to mention one thing, you talk about Scott's liberal blog, and then point people to Politico. Politico is hardly an unbiased website. Pretty strong agenda being presented there. Again, this doesn't make the stories wrong or factually incorrect, per se, but let's be fair when making references about political information and opinions.
 

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Mags, could you provide a couple links to those stories you refer to - the ones about the back door deal with Obama and Big Pharma? I spent a few minutes using the search feature at Politico.com, and could find nothing specific talking about back room deals, or not cutting their reimbursement scenarios. Certainly not saying it didn't happen, I'd just like to see the specifics on it, and I don't have time this morning to wade through Politico's archives.

I do want to mention one thing, you talk about Scott's liberal blog, and then point people to Politico. Politico is hardly an unbiased website. Pretty strong agenda being presented there. Again, this doesn't make the stories wrong or factually incorrect, per se, but let's be fair when making references about political information and opinions.

<B> The backroom deal is easy to find. Here is the Politico link to the story - it is rather long story, so I also pasted the relevant portion: </B>

http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1...enate_compromise__Moderate_senat.html?showall

PHRMA DEAL HOLDING UP THE WORKS, reports The Hill?s Jeffrey Young: ?A deal between the White House and the pharmaceutical industry is holding up a bipartisan amendment to allow the importation of cheaper prescription drugs from abroad, according to a member of the Senate Democratic leadership. The Senate has been debating the amendment, sponsored by Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.), since Tuesday but has not held a vote, which is contributing to a stall in the floor action on healthcare reform. Dorgan?s measure, which would permit bulk exports of medicines from countries such as Canada, enjoys broad and bipartisan support and likely has the backing of more than 60 senators, which would guarantee its adoption on the healthcare reform bill.

I REALLY hope that this outsourcing issue passes - cuz if it does, BIG Pharma will put so much pressure on the WH to redo the entire bill - which is a good thing. We do need a healthcare bill - but we certainly do not need a bad bill - and that is exactly what this one is.


<B> Here is another article on this issue from the Huffington Post (I found this link while searching - I honestly don't know much about this organization): </B>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/06/obama-deal-with-drugmarke_n_253309.html


<B> Here is a great post by a blogger breaking down what Pharma really "gave up" for the deal with the president: </B>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-palast/obama-on-drugs-98-cheney_b_258209.html


All of the above articles talks about the backroom deal. The part of about Big Pharma agreeing to advertising was brought up by Senator McCain during the Senate talks on Monday I think. McCain had a copy of an internal memo from the Pharma lobby, agreeing to spending $15 million on advertising for Dems this fall, if this bill IN ITS CURRENT form actually goes through. Of course, the media has not mentioned that part of the story - no surprise, as the media is basically very liberal in general. And most people know that.

I believe all the Senate talks that are on CSPAN2 are recorded and transcripted. There probably is a way to see copies of McCain's remarks. Somehow, some folks think I am spewing made up information (not saying you Chad). It is not the case - I just follow this issue much more closely than others - and I tend to know more of what is going on because of that.

I try to provide sources when possible (unless it is my own opinion, of course). But much of this info is very easy to find - with a little Google search.

I won't always do the research for folks - if some want their head in the sand and refuse to believe the corruption that the Dems are leading, just to promote themselves politically, then so be it.

<B> There have been 3 clear "buy-a-vote " so far by Obama and the Dems:</B>

1. Big Pharma - basically protecting their profits, so they will advertise and support the Dems along with giving their support to the bill,

2. Paying Mary Landreau of LA $300 Million as a helper toward Medicare, to secure her vote to even allow the current bill to be debated on the Senate floor (without her vote, the bill would have died - which is should have).

3. FL - Senator Nelson - to get his vote, the Senate has agreed to cut Medicare Advantage program in EVERY state BUT FL. If they didn't make this guarantee, he would also not have voted to move the bill to the house floor, just like Mary Landreau.

These are the "buy a vote" deals that are widely known - there is likely more backroom deals that have been had. I suspect that AARP got one too. AARP makes money selling Medicare policies. But they can't sell Medicare Advantage policies - only private insurers can. So, the pitch to them from "O" was - we'll cut the heck out of Medicare Advantage only and leave Medicare alone from a benefits perspective. This will help you (AARP), as you will not have to compete against MA - and you'll be able to sell more policies that you offer. All you have to do is back our proposal.

I realize this is how politics always works - but it sickens me.

I firmly believe, whether it is healthcare or wars or stimulus or whatever, whether the House/Senate is Democratic Controlled or Republican Controlled - that any bill that has such as large effect on the US economy at the healthcare bill does (16% of our ecomony - thinks 16% of people who make their salaries via healthcare) - should be subject to needing a majority vote in BOTH parties.

That is balanced govenment - which is what this country needs and deserves. Otherwise you end up with bad government and bad bills - just like you see now.
 
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Thanks very much for the links and info, Mags. I probably won't be back to this until this weekend, but will jump in fully then. Have a lot of work to finish up here this afternoon (amazing how much work piles up when they only let you work two days a week...:( ) and boy has a basketball game this evening.
 

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I've tried to give you a fair shake - I've even tried to find ways to find you health care access in the current system. I thought you were just someone down on your luck, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt.

It is clear that I shouldn't have done so. You appear to be one of the Americans that just expects to have everything handed to them, and just don't want to have to work to actually earn it. And we have way too many of those type of folks in our country already.
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Listen dumb ass if I may call you dumb ass

you are sounding like our DTB black gumby more and more.

you didnt try to help me shit for brains.

Yeh I have had everything handed to me. I have always worked for everything I have and wanted.

I work 10-12 hours a day and alot of weekends.


Like I have said these fawkers will not give me coverage because of pre existing. Thats my only point. Thats whay I want this health care to pass and soon.

That and to have DTB have to help pay for my insurance. :142smilie

Dont talk down to me Mags Magoose

your just stupid.
 

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Thanks very much for the links and info, Mags. I probably won't be back to this until this weekend,.

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Dont hurry too much Chadman

what a joke :142smilie
 
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oh damn i can hardly contain myself :142smilie


you two are two insurance peas in a pod

pulling each others puds.

well iits time to reach in to your pockets my friends and pull out what you owe me

:142smilie

No conflict of interest with these two. :mj07:
 

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No conflict of interest with these two. :mj07:

Nope - want what is best for the country as a whole.

And the country as a whole does not want the bills in the Senate or the House. Every poll says so.

And reasonable minds see that neither bill will work - but the Dems are in over their heads - they feel they have to push a bad bill through to save them politically....

Little do they know that they are already dead.

In fact, saw yesterday that "O"'s approval rating is equal to what GWB's was in his last year in office.....

So much for a "change you can believe in"... more like a "change that will make things worse!" :mj07:
 

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you are sounding like our DTB black gumby more and more.

I have no idea what this means. I assume by "DTB black gumby" you are referring to Obama? I have no idea.....

you didnt try to help me shit for brains.

Actually I did. I checked into the state pools in GA for you - and posted info. I assume you don't consider it help unless I actually mailed you a check?

I work 10-12 hours a day and alot of weekends.

Big deal - so do I. So do many Americans. Your point is???

Like I have said these fawkers will not give me coverage because of pre existing. Thats my only point. Thats whay I want this health care to pass and soon.

Well, one of two things must have happened here:

1. You left your last job (fired possibly) that had health insurance. You may have already been sick and couldn't get coverage.

2. You left your last job with health insurance benefits to do your own thing. You were healthy at the time, but not smart enough to buy health insurance while you were still insurable. You were taking a gamble and lost. The key, of couse, is to buy health insurance when you are healthy - not wait until you get sick to buy it.

So, if #1 really happened to you - you've got one choice - MAN UP and get a job with benefits. Many of us do it - but I guess the possibility exists that you are not employable.

If it is #2, then I don't feel sorry for you, You had the chance to buy insurance, but choose to spend your money on other things. Life is choices - and if this was the case, you made the wrong one. Oops.

your just stupid

Based on the thought quality of your posts, along with your grammer:

it is YOU'RE JUST STUPID, not "your just stupid" :mj07: And that is one of many, many examples.....

I have little concern that you will be competing with me (or anyone else with a high school education or higher) for a job anytime soon.

Like I said, I tried to be understanding of your situation, but you are just a bitter man (?) who feels like the world owes him. Wake up - nobody owes you anything (unless you are a veteran - in that case, we owe you a world of gratitude for fighting for our country).

But my guess is, if you can't man up enough to go get a job that will provide healthcare for you and your wife (it is YOUR job to take care of your wife) - then surely you aren't man enough to fight for our country.

I'm done with you. My patience for your ignorance is done.
 

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Nope - want what is best for the country as a whole.

And the country as a whole does not want the bills in the Senate or the House. Every poll says so.

And reasonable minds see that neither bill will work - but the Dems are in over their heads - they feel they have to push a bad bill through to save them politically....

Little do they know that they are already dead.

In fact, saw yesterday that "O"'s approval rating is equal to what GWB's was in his last year in office.....

So much for a "change you can believe in"... more like a "change that will make things worse!" :mj07:

While I have no doubt the bill is full of shit, the public has wanted health care coverage since the 70s. However, what we will be getting is not what most of us want. I have no confidence at all in any health care plan that is passed. No doubt it will only get passed with approval from the insurance industry. Plus we all know how full of shit they are. :SIB
 

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No conflict of interest with these two. :mj07:

conflicts of interest are as plain as day--

-those on giving and receiving end of redistribution of wealth.

-Majority of americans are satisfied with health ins--those that aren't for most part don't have any per decisions they've made in life.

On investing--
-we know Gumby is going to raise capital gains 30% and in addition we got-

Pelosi Endorses ?Global? Tax on Stocks, Bonds, and other Financial Transactions
Monday, December 07, 2009

--so would be pretty apparent unless a person is absolutely poitically blind-

there's a pretty good chance many stock traders still doing the ole "yes we can" :00hour
--are using monopoly money :)
 

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I have no idea what this means. I assume by "DTB black gumby" you are referring to Obama? I have no idea.....
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Geez alot to respond to neocon Mags.

its simple.

you and DTB are white niggers

I am sure you can understand that in your redneck peabrain.
 

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it is YOU'RE JUST STUPID, not "your just stupid" :mj07: And that is one of many, many examples.....

I have little concern that you will be competing with me (or anyone else with a high school education or higher) for a job anytime soon.
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I coined that phrase and I use it all the time.

Look in Gen Forum in Jacks thread about a woman chasing him. You dipstick

It shows you really don't know anything about me as long as I have been saying that here.

I have a BBA and own my own business for the past 15 years. I deal with people every day that could buy and sell you . I probably could myself.

I can speak the Kings english and write alot better than you. I just get lazy and if people get the gist I dont even bother with commas and spelling errors. Idiot


so your right . just shut the fawk up you piece of rat shit.
 
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In fact, saw yesterday that "O"'s approval rating is equal to what GWB's was in his last year in office.....

So much for a "change you can believe in"... more like a "change that will make things worse!" :mj07:
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just suck on George Ws dick some more. you know you want to. DTB can give him a reach around. And skulfuk can take up the rear .
 

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Nope - want what is best for the country as a whole.
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Let me ask you this .

You come to a sports wagering forum and from what I see you have never posted a play in any sport.

you fawking loser

and to top it off you're (sp) a boring stupid ass also.
 

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I'm done with you. My patience for your ignorance is done.
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that would be the smartest thing you ever did.

your a fawking coward anyway.

you got a yellow streak down your spine.
 

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first time I ever saw you get mad, scotty.

kurby kurby kurby
 

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All of the above articles talks about the backroom deal. The part of about Big Pharma agreeing to advertising was brought up by Senator McCain during the Senate talks on Monday I think. McCain had a copy of an internal memo from the Pharma lobby, agreeing to spending $15 million on advertising for Dems this fall, if this bill IN ITS CURRENT form actually goes through. Of course, the media has not mentioned that part of the story - no surprise, as the media is basically very liberal in general. And most people know that.
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It dont say that the Dems would even consider accepting a buy out.

your mistaking the dems for the Neo con radicals you support.

Thats the way they do business. Take money under the table , trips, lobby money , whores.

We had enough of that

As a matter of fact, I have it on good grounds that the lobby that proposed this was told to shove it up their ass and go see the Republicans where they would have better luck with corruption.

damn your just stupid
 

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Yep I'll probably riot and burn down my house with rest of neighborhood -

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what really is funny

is that you both know that you cant do shit about it and that just galls you to no end.

Finally we have a President that can stand up to the lobby fawkers and old cronie Republican corruptors and get some shit done in Washington.

unlike what George W did , which was be a war monger full of lies and corruption.
 

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first time I ever saw you get mad, scotty.

kurby kurby kurby

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yeh I am pulling a fletcher on his ass.

Just alot of stress in my life with medical shit.

mostly my wifes pending back surgery
:142smilie
 
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