Concealed Weapons Permit..who's got one..going sat.
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Gun Carriers are FAR DIFFERENT than those in possesion of a CCW and who have had many hours if not years of professional training.
Like Smurphy, I have a good source that has told me that smurphy is a graduate of the Barbizon School
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http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080828/NEWS/80828002
http://www2.nbc4i.com/cmh/news/crime/article/homicide_called_to_shooting_robbery/28712/
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/10/robber_shot_dead_in_cleveland.html
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/12/26/robber-shot-in-home-invasion.html
you really want to roll the bones on your own life?....:shrug:
o.k..:sadwave:
http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080828/NEWS/80828002
http://www2.nbc4i.com/cmh/news/crime/article/homicide_called_to_shooting_robbery/28712/
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/10/robber_shot_dead_in_cleveland.html
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/12/26/robber-shot-in-home-invasion.html
you really want to roll the bones on your own life?....:shrug:
o.k..:sadwave:
Well I've made it 40 years without a gun being pulled at me or even anywhere near me. Yeah ...I'll roll the bones on my life.
Feel free to keep dreaming your Dirty Harry dreams though.:00hour
Big difference in choosing not to and calling those out that do. I can see why a lot of people dont want to be anywhere close to a gun, not sure why it is so hard for others to see the other side.
How bout posting some links so I can check out all these random shootings by those with a CWP. I mean if all these people have a screw loose then there must be a lot of examples out there right. For you to even suggest that those with a CWP are destined to become the bad guy makes you look very foolish. Finally, the most idiotic part of the post was waiting to get attacked before getting a CWP. I assume you dont wear your seatbelt? If you do I guess you had to have that first wreck before seeing the worth huh
1: Just because you have a screw loose doesn't mean you're going to start shooting...but it sure as hell doesn't help.
2: I'm idiotic for thinking you should have some kind of history before "needing" to pack heat in public? As I said before, if you DON'T have a history to associate a future attack with, what are you getting a gun for? As Smurphy mentioned, most of you guys are preparing to save the day in some fantasyland situation that will never happen.
3: I wear my seat belt because A) it is the law, and B) because I have been in an accident before and I recognize the value. Great analogy
The reason you don't agree is because we have different world views. You think more guns makes life safer, I don't. I don't think it is ignorance at all. I went to the University of Detroit, I lived in Detroit, and I don't see the need. In my world, if you don't put yourself in bad situations, bad things tend not to happen. If I went back to my old house Detroit and decided to hit the bars until closing every night, I may start to see things from your point of view. But who here is really in those threatening environments? The Joker is in the middle of Kentucky, and knowing Nick, I can't see him putting himself into a situation where he would ever need to be carrying.
1: Just because you have a screw loose doesn't mean you're going to start shooting...but it sure as hell doesn't help.
2: I'm idiotic for thinking you should have some kind of history before "needing" to pack heat in public? As I said before, if you DON'T have a history to associate a future attack with, what are you getting a gun for? As Smurphy mentioned, most of you guys are preparing to save the day in some fantasyland situation that will never happen.
3: I wear my seat belt because A) it is the law, and B) because I have been in an accident before and I recognize the value. Great analogy
The reason you don't agree is because we have different world views. You think more guns makes life safer, I don't. I don't think it is ignorance at all. I went to the University of Detroit, I lived in Detroit, and I don't see the need. In my world, if you don't put yourself in bad situations, bad things tend not to happen. If I went back to my old house Detroit and decided to hit the bars until closing every night, I may start to see things from your point of view. But who here is really in those threatening environments? The Joker is in the middle of Kentucky, and knowing Nick, I can't see him putting himself into a situation where he would ever need to be carrying.
gary...
wasn't looking for this thread to turn into a bunch of platform ranting....
I agree we do have different world views..it seems you need to have an 'accident(s)' happen to you first BEFORE you see the value...
whereas we see the value first and are trying to PREVENT that accident...
don't even bring up the whole,...it hasn't happened yet,..law of averages ....don't put yourself in that situation....
NOBODY knows when an accident is going to take place EXCEPT the perpetrator..
it's about prevention/protection....
I too think it's crazy with all these people running around armed :scared
I don't want to, never wanted to, but might have to, with some of these people running around with guns.
Holy shit, this country is totally fuked up, IMO.
The wild, wild west
I don't even and haven't even locked my house doors since 1988 when I moved out of Baltimore. I couldn't find my house keys right now if a reward was offered. Now I have to get a gun? Jesus Christ!
I don't want to, never wanted to, but might have to, with some of these people running around with guns.
Holy shit, this country is totally fuked up, IMO.
The wild, wild west
I don't even and haven't even locked my house doors since 1988 when I moved out of Baltimore. I couldn't find my house keys right now if a reward was offered. Now I have to get a gun? Jesus Christ!
:lol: i`m still in baltimore....so cut me some slack...might explain my knuckle-dragging,neandertHal world views...
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Lawrence: I can appreciate your perspective, but here is the question I struggle with:
Why is perceived threat greater than your experience?
I believe we have both been lucky enough to avoid "gun play" and violence to this point in our lives. Why does this experience (or lack of) not over-rule a future experience that has proven highly unlikely?
Also, why is this the unlikely threat you choose to protect yourself from? Do you have fire and flood insurance on your property? Do you have a bomb shelter? Do you drive the safest car on the road? I'm just thinking of things off the top of my head here, but I hope you can see where I am going. Lots of unlikely scenarios to prepare for, what is it about this one that makes you act?
knock on wood..nothing ever happens to my family or me in the future...
as far as 'perceived threats'...after 41 years I know right from wrong..good and bad..etc...
it's the OTHER element... I don't about..what he/she is thinking/planning/perpetrating....
fires, floods, bombs being dropped on my home..yes these are out of my control...unless I took my family and moved to the mountains and lived in a cave....
what is in my control...is to be proactive instead of reactive...I choose to protect myself and family IF/when an immeninet/immediate danger threatens me or my family.....
unfortunately...some criminals will shoot/kill even after committing a crime...
I'm wondering if you are thinking CWP holders are para-military...with arsenals in their home/bunkers who play military games on the weekends in their ghillli suits...
not the case...
You are around CWP holder everyday...and you don't even know it...Regular men and women who have the legal right to protect themselves...
I will AGREE with you in that....there needs to be a more diligent process...in TN anyways...to get a permit...
some of the particpants yesterday...whew...I don't know....armed guard class was also being taught...and I wouldn't want some of the guys/girls guarding anything I owned..:sadwave: :sadwave:
there are policeman that shouldn' t carry guns...there are the good and bad on both sides...
all criminals are bad though...
What is the answer.....IF all law-abiding citizens had their guns taken from them...then what...only the criminals would have the guns and the police...then what????
martial law at dark??? NONE will ever get all the guns out of the wrong peoples hands..EVER....
so define "gun control'......
just looking for a 'rational' solution and until that day I chose to legally carry a firearm...
Here's the skinny!!
States with Reciprocity agreements that recognize TN handgun carry permits
alaska
arizona
arkansas
florida
georgia
kentucky
louisiana
mississippi
michigan
new hampshire
north caroliana
ohio
pennsylvania
south carolina
south dakota
texas
virginia
west virginia
wyoming
state without reciprocity agreements BUT recognize TN handgun permits
alabama
colorado
delaware
idaho
indiana
kansas
minnesota
missouri
montana
nevad
new mexco
north dakota
oklahoma
utah
vermonty
STATES that do NOT recoginze TN handgun permits..
california
conneticut
hawaii
illnois
iowa
maine
maryland
massachusetts
nebraska
new jersey
new york
oregon
rhode island
washington
wisconsin...
What unconcealed permit? Is this something new?
i found out for TN....you can carry a gun concealed or un-concealed with a CWP...
lawtchan,
Thank you for bringing solid arguements to the table.
We never look for trouble, it's not like we are members of the "Watchmen" going out at night actively seeking dirt bags, but if a dirt bags crosses our path and decides dirty deeds on their mind, we will not be a victim.
Thank you for bringing solid arguements to the table.
We never look for trouble, it's not like we are members of the "Watchmen" going out at night actively seeking dirt bags, but if a dirt bags crosses our path and decides dirty deeds on their mind, we will not be a victim.
Gun permits doubled in Michigan in 2009
Gun permits doubled in Michigan in 2009
Gun permits doubled in Michigan in 2009
By Dawson Bell
Free Press Lansing Bureau
LANSING -- Applications and approvals for concealed weapons permits in Michigan doubled last year, as more than 73,000 people sought to obtain or renew licenses in the 12 months ending June 30, and 66,446 were approved, according to a recently released state police report.
That compared to 33,411 applications and 26,578 approvals in the preceding 12-month period.
A department spokeswoman had no immediate explanation for the increase this morning. There have been widespread reports of increased firearm and ammunition sales in 2009, stemming from fears in some quarters that President Obama and a Democratic Party control of Congress might lead to new gun controls.
The Michigan concealed weapons report is compiled from data supplied by Michigan's 83 counties under a liberalized concealed carry law approved in 2001. In total, 220,422 Michiganders hold permits allowing them to carry a concealed pistol, the MSP report said.
Gun permits doubled in Michigan in 2009
Gun permits doubled in Michigan in 2009
By Dawson Bell
Free Press Lansing Bureau
LANSING -- Applications and approvals for concealed weapons permits in Michigan doubled last year, as more than 73,000 people sought to obtain or renew licenses in the 12 months ending June 30, and 66,446 were approved, according to a recently released state police report.
That compared to 33,411 applications and 26,578 approvals in the preceding 12-month period.
A department spokeswoman had no immediate explanation for the increase this morning. There have been widespread reports of increased firearm and ammunition sales in 2009, stemming from fears in some quarters that President Obama and a Democratic Party control of Congress might lead to new gun controls.
The Michigan concealed weapons report is compiled from data supplied by Michigan's 83 counties under a liberalized concealed carry law approved in 2001. In total, 220,422 Michiganders hold permits allowing them to carry a concealed pistol, the MSP report said.
I too think it's crazy with all these people running around armed :scared
I don't want to, never wanted to, but might have to, with some of these people running around with guns.
Holy shit, this country is totally fuked up, IMO.
The wild, wild west
I don't even and haven't even locked my house doors since 1988 when I moved out of Baltimore. I couldn't find my house keys right now if a reward was offered. Now I have to get a gun? Jesus Christ!
Yes Jack !
This Country IS FUCKED UP !
YOU BETTER PUT A BOUNTY ON YOUR HOUSE KEYS ! ! kurby kurby
It is a Country of have and have nots and you have something that other people want ! Whatever that is, I don't know ? But trust me, you could become a victim.
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Cowardly Criminals do not like to face equal force
1: Just because you have a screw loose doesn't mean you're going to start shooting...but it sure as hell doesn't help.
2: I'm idiotic for thinking you should have some kind of history before "needing" to pack heat in public? As I said before, if you DON'T have a history to associate a future attack with, what are you getting a gun for? As Smurphy mentioned, most of you guys are preparing to save the day in some fantasyland situation that will never happen.
3: I wear my seat belt because A) it is the law, and B) because I have been in an accident before and I recognize the value. Great analogy
The reason you don't agree is because we have different world views. You think more guns makes life safer, I don't. I don't think it is ignorance at all. I went to the University of Detroit, I lived in Detroit, and I don't see the need. In my world, if you don't put yourself in bad situations, bad things tend not to happen. If I went back to my old house Detroit and decided to hit the bars until closing every night, I may start to see things from your point of view. But who here is really in those threatening environments? The Joker is in the middle of Kentucky, and knowing Nick, I can't see him putting himself into a situation where he would ever need to be carrying.
1) Take it you couldnt find all those instances where law abiding folks went on killing rampages huh, laughable.
2) Yes it is idiotic to say something has to happen before you prepare for it. You and smurph can repeat as many times as you want that it is a fantasy thing, but for 99% that as well is laughable.
3) I agree it is a stupid analogy, but no different then your theory on CWP's. BTW,if the "its the law" arguement is valid then why bother with this topic since CWP's are legal:shrug:
Your final point is very true, we most definently see the world differently. You have your view on this topic and that is fine, but to act as if everyone that disagrees with you is a nutcase makes you look simple minded. GL
