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McConnell: Full health repeal 'probably' won't happen with Obama

By Jordan Fabian - 04/02/10 01:47 PM ET
Repealing the entire healthcare bill "probably" will not happen with President Barack Obama in the White House, the Senate's top Republican said Friday.

Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) said at a speaking engagement that a full repeal may be unlikely, but that the GOP could be able to repeal parts of it in the fall, even if they don't win back majorities in both houses.

The Louisville Courier-Journal reported:

He acknowledged there is ?probably not? a chance of repealing the full measure while President Barack Obama is in office.

Speaking to a Louisville audience, McConnell said he is hopeful for GOP gains in the fall election, based partly on recent poll results.

?Will that make full repeal possible? It might not,? McConnell said at a forum sponsored by Greater Louisville Inc., the metro chamber of commerce.

?But this (legislation) is very complex, it?s got a lot of moving parts, many of them have not yet kicked in, won?t kick in for several years. And so the goal would be to repeal it and replace it with something more modest directed at the cost problem, which is what I think most of this whole debate was about in the beginning.?

In an interview after his speech, McConnell said it might not be necessary for the GOP to gain a majority to repeal some provisions of the reform law. ?There may be a number of Democrats that begin to have second thoughts,? he said.

Supporting the repeal effort has been a conservative rallying cry since the healthcare law was enacted, and those who have backed away from the message have been criticized.

Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) revised comments he made that repeal is "not going to happen," saying that is not going to happen in this election cycle. That puts Corker within the timeframe McConnell outlined Friday.

McConnell has touted a "repeal and replace" strategy since healthcare reform became law just over 10 days ago. Under the plan, opponents would get rid of the law supported by only Democrats and would replace it with new reform legislation.

The top Senate Republican's comments Friday are similar to ones made Thursday by Sen. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.) the chamber's third-ranking GOP member.

President Barack Obama has publicly dared GOPers to try the strategy, saying "bring it on" at a speaking appearance this week.

For the GOP to repeal the bill this cycle, Congress would have to pass a repeal measure and then thwart a presidential veto with two-thirds majorities in both houses.

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If republicans think they're going to win on the platform of repealing the health care reform in november they're sadly mistaken.

Maybe dumb ass Republicans could try moving on and focusing on actually accomplishing something instead of just whining.

I cant help just laughing over this repeal bullchit.

it aint happening and they know it.

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If republicans think they're going to win on the platform of repealing the health care reform in november they're sadly mistaken.

Maybe dumb ass Republicans could try moving on and focusing on actually accomplishing something instead of just whining.

I cant help just laughing over this repeal bullchit.

it aint happening and they know it.

Scotty Dog

Let's break down all 4 of your statements for the sake of CIVIL DISCOURSE :director: :toast:

1) The Repugnican Party is on the verge of a MAJOR FRACTURE partially and equally their own doing, the Whitehouse and the Whitehouse controlled media.

You know as well as I do that what the Snapple Tea Party is today is not what it was 3 years ago. It has been hijacked by Palinistas from Glenn Beckistan.

You know, I hope :shrug: That there are TRUE NON-VIOLENT PATRIOTS out there who know and understand the constitution and the Bill of Rights. I believe that there are others like you who understand that Dr. Ron Paul is an inspiration to many, but demonized by Becky and others from the Right as they steal his ideas.

2) It's not just Repugnicans who stay stuck in the mud on an idea that they have lost on the floor. Move to the center and above the fray of the petty, no disgusting bribing, cheating lying bullshit that goes on in both singular parties. That's how I finally saw thru the shit many years ago, I can't even remember. Take the two names out, NO DONKEYS, NO ELEPHANTS ! THESE ASSHOLES ALL RESIDE UNDER ONE TENT :sadwave: and their solitary goal is to control us ! :eek: :eek: kurby kurby kurby

3) On the surface the repeal may seem funny and laughable :mj07: but what about the states, like the fucking mess I live in ! That cannot afford to bring forth a lenghty lawsuit ? Enough said !

4) Unfortunately Scott, some States will push this turd uphill.

And that's what this Healthcare Bill is, A BIG TURD ! It was shit out by both houses and never examined, too much extra JUNK in the turd. All the kick backs, this should have been read and examined on CSPAN, as promised, 200-300 pages a week. And yes the insurance companies helped dropped this pile as well.
 

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I agree with some of that and I support Ron Paul

The health care bill had to be passed.

It is the start of getting things better for the American people.

The thing that really had me pissed off was the pre conditions.

Soon in June I will be able to protect my family with affordable insurance.

And it took a census signing black man to get the job done after 40 years of stealing from us by big drugs, insurance co, and medical people.

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Employers add most jobs in 3 years in March

By Paul Wiseman, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON ? The economy created jobs at the fastest pace in three years last month, while unemployment stayed at 9.7%, latest signs of a lukewarm recovery from the deepest recession since the 1930s.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Friday that the economy created 162,000 jobs in March, short of the 200,000 economists predicted. One reason: The federal government hired only 48,000 temporary Census workers last month, far fewer than expected.


GOOD SIGN: Hiring rebounds on Wall Street

"We are beginning to turn the corner," President Obama on Friday told employees of a manufacturing plant that received government stimulus money.

Steps taken by the government "have broken this slide and are helping us to climb out of this recession," Obama said several hours after the report.

"We're still going through a hard time," the president acknowledged.

The private sector added 123,000 jobs. "This is the best news we've seen in a while," said U.S. Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., chair of Congress' Joint Economic Committee. "That is very encouraging. I am optimistic but also realistic: It will take a while to bring down this unacceptable unemployment rate."

"Today's report suggests that the economy has broken through to sustained job creation," said Nigel Gault, chief U.S. economist for IHS Global Insight.

Still, unemployment was stuck at 9.7% for the third straight month and is likely to remain high. "Any improvement in the economy may prompt people who've been avoiding the labor market to come back," preventing an increase in jobs from bringing the jobless rate down quickly, says Michael Englund, chief economist for Action Economics.

Damage lingered from the recession that started in December 2007: The number of people out of work 27 weeks or longer rose another 414,000 last month to a record 6.5 million, or 44% of the unemployed. The number of people working part time because they can't find full-time work also continued to rise.

Temporary jobs increased 40,000 last month and are up 313,000 since September. A rise in temp work usually signals a recovery in the labor market.

The nation's factories added 17,000 jobs in March, and manufacturing has added 45,000 jobs so far this year.

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GO JOBS !:00hour
 

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. That's how I finally saw thru the shit many years ago, I can't even remember. Take the two names out, NO DONKEYS, NO ELEPHANTS ! THESE ASSHOLES ALL RESIDE UNDER ONE TENT :sadwave: and their solitary goal is to control us ! :eek: :eek: kurby kurby kurby

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I am not a Dem or Rep

I am for who can get the job done

Unfortunately independants dont have the cash to get in power so I have to choose from who I think is best.

I am not in the control mind that you are .

I just cannot consume myself worrying about the goverment is trying to control my ass all the time.
 

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3 days into April,

So Far...... So Good..... So What.....

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Wayne, I'll ask again, just so I can get your perspective on this:

So, to be clear, you are FOR taxpayers paying to fund corporations receiving a subsidy to pay for RETIRED employees to CONTINUE receiving prescription drug benefits? Is that what you are saying?

You are ok paying out of your pocket to make sure that retired former employees of big businesses receive prescription drug benefits?
 

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Dr. Leviathan Will See You Now

Dr. Leviathan Will See You Now

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Dr. Leviathan Will See You Now[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]by William Norman Grigg
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"I observe a benevolent feeling here.... There is also tenderness.... But, beware, tender hearts! Don't you know where tenderness leads? To the gas chambers.... [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Never in the history of the world have there been so many civilized, tenderhearted souls as have lived in this [twentieth] century. Never in the history of the world have so many people been killed. More people have been killed in this century by tender-hearted souls than by cruel barbarians in all other centuries put together.... [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]My brothers, let me tell you where tenderness leads ? To the gas chambers...." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Father Smith's sermon, from Walker Percy's monitory novel The Thanatos Syndrome [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Rejoice and be glad, Americans! [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Owing entirely to the visionary compassion of the Dear Leader and his party, the same regime that has slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans, that poured trillions of dollars into the coffers of Wall Street kleptocrats, that brought its unique healing touch to victims of the post-Katrina disaster in New Orleans, and that routinely commits similar acts of divine charity, will now relieve you of the burden of making your own health care decisions. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]This point was made ? albeit unintentionally ? in a widely syndicated "news analysis" intended to celebrate this development. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Rarely does the government, that big, clumsy, poorly regarded oaf, pull off anything short of war that touches all lives with one act, one stroke of a president's pen," observed AP commentator Calvin Woodward. "Such a moment has come." (Emphasis added.) [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]War requires the domestic regimentation of all private life and the confiscation of private property to accomplish the mass destruction of foreign property and the mass annihilation of foreign lives. Mass murder is the only undertaking in which government consistently out-performs its private sector competition. Yet we are supposed to believe that this engine of destruction can also serve as an instrument of compassionate healing. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Despite the best efforts of its servants to swaddle it within layer after layer of tender-hearted rhetoric, the State remains as Nietzsche described it: "the coldest of all cold monsters.... Everything it says, it lies; and whatever it has it has stolen." It "bites with stolen teeth, and it bites often...." [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Bearing that last maxim in mind, we can discern the true intentions behind "Obamacare" in the fact that it includes the largest expansion of the IRS ? both in terms of power and personnel ? since the reign of FDR, America's first fascist President-For-Life. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Reform" will mean fewer doctors and more tax collectors. Those are the priorities of an entity built to consume life, not to preserve it. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Coldly it lies," Nietzsche wrote of the State "and this lie slips from its mouth: 'I, the State, am the people.'" [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"We proved that this government ? a government of the people by the people ? still works for the people," lied the Dear Leader himself ? seemingly determined to validate Nietzsche's analysis down to the details ? following the party-line vote in the House. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Community organizers" of Mr. Obama's ilk see the "people" as an undifferentiated mass to be mobilized in pursuit of collectivist objectives. They likewise assume that only those thus enlisted in the cause of collectivism qualify as "the people." That perspective is pregnant with terrible portents regarding the treatment of tens of millions of Americans ? including the author of these words ? who will not participate in the Regime's system of regimented, rationed health care. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]The good news here is that the governments of 38 states ? beginning with my home state of Idaho ? are preparing acts of legal interposition against the Regime's individual health insurance mandates. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Perhaps it could also be regarded as ambivalently good news that the Regime's expanded effort to cartelize health care will inevitably create a black market in which fee-for-service treatment will flourish. This assumes, of course, that anybody retains sufficient wealth to pay for medical care as the omnivorous Regime devours everything within its sphere of influence. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Both Obama and his allies admit that the measure that passed yesterday ? call it "Enhanced Cartelization" of the health industry ? is merely another step toward undisguised government control of health care. Before Sunday's vote, our nation was more than halfway there. As Calvin Woodward admits: "Federal and state programs now cover half the cost of health care purchased in the country and were expected to go over 50 percent in the next year or two even absent Obama's plan." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What this means, of course, is that the federal government ? the world's largest medical "insurance" provider ? created the very market distortions now being invoked to justify further federal control over health care. The same can be said of the "two-tier system" execrated by those who seek to create a uniform, government-run medical service. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In the 1930s, writes Woodward, "the American Medical Association denounced proposals for organized medical services as an 'incitement to revolution' at the hands of 'Medical Soviets.' And that wasn't even about government-run health care. The AMA's fierce opposition to collectivism included objections to private insurance, the norm today, and the pooling of doctors into what became health maintenance organizations decades later." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Like other statist stenographers, Woodward either doesn't recognize or will not admit that the AMA's critique of "Medical Soviets" has been entirely vindicated. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]As Dr. Miguel Faria, a Cuban-born neurosurgeon and health freedom activist, summarizes: [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Although proponents of socialized medicine delight in scoring rhetorical points against free market medicine by reciting horror stories about HMOs, the managed care/managed competition philosophy should not be considered free market medicine, but rather a form of collusion between private entities and government." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It is true, as proponents of Obama's "reform" proposals contend, that we already have a de facto system of health care rationing. But as Dr. Faria notes, this is "largely a product of federal intervention"; furthermore, "while under a 'single-payer' system coverage would be universal, access to care would be rationed by the central government or its agents." [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]All Praise the Omniprovident State [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]? source of all good things, and infallible allocator of scarce resources: A WWII-era propaganda poster depicts central economic planning in "patriotic" terms[/FONT][/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In his victory speech, Obama pointedly observed that the new "reform" framework reflects the efforts of collectivists from both sides of the narrow partisan divide. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]While the State-centric media tirelessly linked Obama's name with those of FDR and LBJ, his most important antecedent was actually the much-reviled Richard M. Nixon, during whose reign the Feds created the corporatist health care cartel whose power will be dramatically enhanced under the current "reform" measure. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In a prescient analysis published more than a decade ago, Dr. Faria recounted the relevant history: [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"The emergence of HMOs began in the years 1971?74, during which time President Richard Nixon openly embraced Keynesian economics and enacted such measures as wage and price controls. The imposition of the managed care/managed competition ideology on our health care system is part of the same package of government interventions. The mechanics of managed competition were carefully worked out with the diligent cooperation of President Nixon and Senator Ted Kennedy.... Working in collaboration with private sector interests, the Nixon/Kennedy axis created the template for a fascist health system in which government-approved entities ? HMOs and similar health care provider networks ? would deliver medical care under government supervision." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]In that system, physicians "employed by HMOs are required to practice a form of rationing, called 'cost-effective analysis' or 'data credentialing,'" continued Dr. Faria. "HMO administrators, in turn, employ utilization review data to assess doctor performance in terms of financial impact rather than sound medical judgment or patient needs. Physicians who are deemed cost-ineffective, including those who incur expenses by treating the sickest patients and dealing with the most difficult cases, confront ... the possible loss of their membership status in hospitals and health care networks." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]During my own recent hospitalization, several physicians with whom I spoke confirmed elements of Dr. Faria's analysis and expressed severe frustrations over the burdens and limitations of the corporatist health care system. One of them confided to me that his favorite time to work is Christmas Day, since he is freed from the oversight of bureaucratic administrators "and so I'm actually free to practice medicine." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]What Dr. Faria describes is a post-Hippocratic medical system in which the physician is required to act on behalf of the collective, rather than the interests of the individual patient. This same perverse ethic was enshrined in the post-Bismarck German social welfare state, with consequences as familiar as they are horrifying. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]When medical care is collectivized, the system operates in the supposed interests of "the people," rather than for the benefit of any individual person ? with special exceptions made for those who belong to the presiding oligarchy, of course. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ah, the "good old days" of wartime central planning: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Americans line up, ration books in hand, to purchase government-limited consumer goods. Imagine similar lines at government-operated medical centers, and you've got a good idea of what Obama's "reform" will look like. [/FONT][/FONT]​
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]It must not be forgotten that the State creates nothing. This means that, in economic terms, rationing ? the allocation of resources on a political basis ? is all that it does. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]During the two world wars, America was shackled in a system of economic central planning that included rationing of practically every worthwhile consumer good. This is what government will do whenever it is given a pretext in the form of a suitable crisis. Apply that model to the delivery of health care and you'll get a good idea ? to paraphrase the Blessed One Himself ? of what "change will look like." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Writing last week on the eve of the House vote, Dr. Faria pointed out that within the medical treatment and research community, "the word is out that 'more care is not necessarily better'.... [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif][This is because] health care gurus see the imminent U.S. government takeover of American medicine, and this ... will mean not only increased taxation on the horizon, but also massive rationing and the drastic curtailment of medical services...." [/FONT]
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Government disruption of the market leads to scarcity, which leads to demands for even greater interventions ? thereby creating a self-sustaining cycle that ends only when the "official" economy is destroyed and the productive are driven underground, where they are pursued as "economic criminals."
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Nietzsche described those who preside over the State and enforce its decrees as "destroyers" who "lay snares for the many ... they hang a sword and a hundred cravings over them." Subservience to the state is "slow suicide," he warned, since it is an all-devouring idol from which arises the incessant stench of countless human sacrifices. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Dispensing death is what government does. We should expect business to pick up really soon.[/FONT]
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I don't think my question will ever get noticed by Wayne - it keeps getting buried in "news" stories... which is probably good for Wayne...
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Wayne, I'll ask again, just so I can get your perspective on this:

So, to be clear, you are FOR taxpayers paying to fund corporations receiving a subsidy to pay for RETIRED employees to CONTINUE receiving prescription drug benefits? Is that what you are saying?

You are ok paying out of your pocket to make sure that retired former employees of big businesses receive prescription drug benefits?

You know he has read this a few times already and chosen to pass. He'll come back with another question totally unrelated to yours.
 

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Wayne, I'll ask again, just so I can get your perspective on this:

So, to be clear, you are FOR taxpayers paying to fund corporations receiving a subsidy to pay for RETIRED employees to CONTINUE receiving prescription drug benefits? Is that what you are saying?

You are ok paying out of your pocket to make sure that retired former employees of big businesses receive prescription drug benefits?

Lets get the facts 1st Chad. The gov "partially funded rx benefits for corp retirees. The corps fund the rest of their healthcare for retirees plus the workers.

Do I have prob with that --NO-ANSOLUTELY NOT

--I view it similiar to medicare benefit and ssn. As the workers and corp have paid in taxes throughout their lives--unlike the welfare whores--medicade crew who for most part pay in 0 and reap numerous benfits--and they are approaching about 50% of population.

--Amazing Gumby was just on tv telling his base don't be deceived by the rhetoric out there.
--That a laugher

He just finished telling everyone their healthcare wouldn't change--reform would lower deficit and produce jobs--but what do the facts show only days after passing--retired people having benefits cuts--mass layoffs--and its just the beginning
I do have better way and much fairer to all concerned-

In a perfect world there would be consequences for ones convictions/actions. These corps could pull voting records of employees--and only retirees that voted for O would have their rx cut and they would be 1st to be laid off--each would get tee shirt with pic of O on front and--YES WE DID on back. :)
Would be the ultimate justice.
Yep the king grifter struck again--did you bite?how about the stimulus (30% social benefits) that had to be passed overnight to keep unemployment under 8 %--did you bite again--
--will you bite when he tells you gas tax is good for you as is value added tax--and taxing carbon.
He's got to get revenue somewhere with his massive spending--and reduced workforce--oops forgot he added thousands of cencus workers --that should mask all these layoffs from healthcare fiasco--temporarily ;)

--and hows that gitmo thing doing--how bout the wars-spend as you go-era of responsibilty-Iran's last chance-11-09 final last chance 12-09 etc

--or are you beginning to see what I told you pre election--about this -all hat -no cattle/Tony Robbins/tax and spend grifter.
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Lets get the facts 1st Chad. The gov "partially funded rx benefits for corp retirees. The corps fund the rest of their healthcare for retirees plus the workers.

Do I have prob with that --NO-ANSOLUTELY NOT

you fogot the tax write-off they took on the subsidy. you have been against this ytpe of wefare forever, now you are willing to campaign on it - welfare is good. hmmm, i don't see it is catching on. only another false sound bite that comes along everyday.

here's my profle: :rolleyes: blue eyes, dark skin, retired since 55 and have as good a health plan that money can by.

i would type more, but can only use one arm for awhile - rotator cuff surgery last thursday
 

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Retired?--is that like Scotts "self employed" :)

Only thing I know for sure since you been here is your pay for pick ploy--and politicians you identify with

Needless to say our values put us on diff end of spectrum on both issues--


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Hello Nathan Thank you for offer--Have been asked this question before.
I would not want responsibilty of selecting picks on pay site. The
thought of losing someone's money would be worse to me than losing my
own.While I have never had losing year YET--I am superstitious sort and
don't like to change things that have went well.Ridiculous I know, I
generally don't bet anymore now than when I 1st started for same
reason. It creates a betting atmosphere that is worry free and void of
emotions, which I believe is huge factor in sucessful sports betting. I
do take your offer as a compliment and wish you the best on your site.
Thanks again for offer Nathan--but it is one I must respectfully
decline.
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>
> Thank you for giving me a few minutes to introduce myself. I am the
> owner/operator of http://www.turbobets.com a sports handicapping website.
> My goal is to provide quality free content as well as premium plays at a
> reasonable price to sports bettors.
>
> I have followed your golf selections for the last few years at
> Madjacksports and would like to know if you would consider being the golf
> handicapper for TurboBets. I am specifically looking for someone to
> design a package of golf plays that can be wagered on at sportsbooks that
> have Neteller as a deposit/withdrawl option. Examples include 5dimes,
> Bet365, Sportingbet, Pinnacle and Olympic.
>
> A reasonable goal should be 20 to 40 units per year with the majority of
> picks being 1 unit bets. All plays will be listed on the TurboBets
> record page shortly after the start of each event. A conservative
> pricing structure ($99.00/90days and $149.00/180 days) will be used for
> the first year in order to attract new sign-ups. A CC email will be sent
> automatically to you to keep you aware of new customers.
>
> You will receive 100% of all revenue generated from golf subscriptions
> until a $1000.00/year threshold is met at which time there will be 50/50
> split.
>
> Please contact me with any questions or comments and I hope you get a
> chance to check out the site.
>
> Regards,
>
> Nathan Santora
> TurboBets
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rusty

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you fogot the tax write-off they took on the subsidy. you have been against this ytpe of wefare forever, now you are willing to campaign on it - welfare is good. hmmm, i don't see it is catching on. only another false sound bite that comes along everyday.

here's my profle: :rolleyes: blue eyes, dark skin, retired since 55 and have as good a health plan that money can by.

i would type more, but can only use one arm for awhile - rotator cuff surgery last thursday

So basically if your party says it or does it,its ok.
But if your party is against it its not ok.

That's whats wrong with politics its not the agenda,its the party that is priority.Wayne I'm not singling you out,but this thread just proves that party over agenda is how our politics run in the USA.
 

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Retired?--is that like Scotts "self employed" :)

Only thing I know for sure since you been here is your pay for pick ploy--and politicians you identify with

Needless to say our values put us on diff end of spectrum on both issues--


+++++++++
Hello Nathan Thank you for offer--Have been asked this question before.
I would not want responsibilty of selecting picks on pay site. The
thought of losing someone's money would be worse to me than losing my
own.While I have never had losing year YET--I am superstitious sort and
don't like to change things that have went well.Ridiculous I know, I
generally don't bet anymore now than when I 1st started for same
reason. It creates a betting atmosphere that is worry free and void of
emotions, which I believe is huge factor in sucessful sports betting. I
do take your offer as a compliment and wish you the best on your site.
Thanks again for offer Nathan--but it is one I must respectfully
decline.
DTB

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Golf Handicapping Opportunity
> From: nathan@turbobets.com
> Date: Tue, March 01, 2005 7:20 pm
> To: dtb@dogsthatbark.com
>
>
> DTB,
>
> Thank you for giving me a few minutes to introduce myself. I am the
> owner/operator of http://www.turbobets.com a sports handicapping website.
> My goal is to provide quality free content as well as premium plays at a
> reasonable price to sports bettors.
>
> I have followed your golf selections for the last few years at
> Madjacksports and would like to know if you would consider being the golf
> handicapper for TurboBets. I am specifically looking for someone to
> design a package of golf plays that can be wagered on at sportsbooks that
> have Neteller as a deposit/withdrawl option. Examples include 5dimes,
> Bet365, Sportingbet, Pinnacle and Olympic.
>
> A reasonable goal should be 20 to 40 units per year with the majority of
> picks being 1 unit bets. All plays will be listed on the TurboBets
> record page shortly after the start of each event. A conservative
> pricing structure ($99.00/90days and $149.00/180 days) will be used for
> the first year in order to attract new sign-ups. A CC email will be sent
> automatically to you to keep you aware of new customers.
>
> You will receive 100% of all revenue generated from golf subscriptions
> until a $1000.00/year threshold is met at which time there will be 50/50
> split.
>
> Please contact me with any questions or comments and I hope you get a
> chance to check out the site.
>
> Regards,
>
> Nathan Santora
> TurboBets
+++++++++++++++++++

Do you expect some kind of medal? WTF?
 

kcwolf

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So basically if your party says it or does it,its ok.
But if your party is against it its not ok.

That's whats wrong with politics its not the agenda,its the party that is priority.Wayne I'm not singling you out,but this thread just proves that party over agenda is how our politics run in the USA.

Yhay's ok to single me out. I too am fed up with politics on both sides. I try to point out the lies and hypocritic statements, it is getting tiresome.

Jack, you were right.:142smilie

And DTB, go fuck yourself. retired?
 

rusty

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Under a mask.
Yhay's ok to single me out. I too am fed up with politics on both sides. I try to point out the lies and hypocritic statements, it is getting tiresome.

Jack, you were right.:142smilie

And DTB, go fuck yourself. retired?

Thats what I am saying.You pt. out only in one direction usually left.Now if people were more opened minded,maybe things would be more excepted.Maybe USA would work together on a common ground for the people not against.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Yhay's ok to single me out. I too am fed up with politics on both sides. I try to point out the lies and hypocritic statements, it is getting tiresome.

Jack, you were right.:142smilie

And DTB, go fuck yourself. retired?

Just seperating --rhetoric from reality :shrug:
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Only in your blinded by one party mind.

Facts speak for themselves--The rhetroric needs to be exposed for what it is--deception/grifts and bullshit

You got Gore and Kerry on the 2 america rant --yet stiff charity for less than $100 between the 2 of them.

You got folks here that want to act like they are concerned about others while pointing fingers at others for being selfish---

I'm just seperating fact from BS.

--and while on that subject

Maybe you can straighten a few things out--

I see your profile consists of-
Trampled Underfoot has no contact information.

Maybe you could explain to us why someone whose main purpose is to critique others yet hide info on themselves--

Could you give us a little history of where you live--what you do--and someone anyone knows that can verify anything you say as truth?:0corn
 
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