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THE KOD

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IInterestingly, as bad as a President as Bush was (which I think we ALL can agree), I'll bet the political forums were nothing like they are today. Why? Because Bush didn't upset the applecart and make so many momentus decisions and changes that were contratry to what the public wanted.
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Booosh really didnt want to do much to rock the boat.

So your right. It was a wasted 8 years for the country.

Bush 900 days of vacation is a testement of what he stood for.

When you get a President in there that wants to make changes for the American people , yeh ppl tend to get mad about things. A President

The only problem I have is that if the Repubs get back in we will see the same crap we have seen.
Its a vicious cycle
 

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So your right. It was a wasted 8 years for the country.

Bush 900 days of vacation is a testement of what he stood for.
Bush made 149 trips to Camp David for a total of 487 days and 77 trips to his Crawford ranch for a total of 490 days. That's a grand total of 977 days of vacation for Bush.

So when you think about it Scotty, things could have been much worse if Bush had spent all 8 years in Washington instead of the 5 years and 4 months he spent there. :0074

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4728085-503544.html
 

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The politics forum.

Nobody here can discuss ANYTHING, it's all bashing which will spill into the other forums.

I'm supposed to let this shithole of a forum ruin my business?

Nope, not gonna happen.

You're way too uptight, old man. You should sell this site and open a car wash.
 

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Booosh really didnt want to do much to rock the boat.

So your right. It was a wasted 8 years for the country.

Bush 900 days of vacation is a testement of what he stood for.

When you get a President in there that wants to make changes for the American people , yeh ppl tend to get mad about things. A President

The only problem I have is that if the Repubs get back in we will see the same crap we have seen.
Its a vicious cycle

Many, many of us don't want the "change" Obama has brought to America.

If we did, we could have easily have gotten this "change" by moving to Europe, where many of his social programs are rooted (and not doing well, by the way). Why downgrade America to be Europe like, when that option is out there already.

It is like a Corvette dumping itself down to be a minivan - yes, some people like minivans, then they should go buy them. Likewise, if people want cradle to grave entitlements without having to work, then please move to Europe. In fact, they might want to try Greece and see how well that system is working out for them.

No need to change America, when all people that don't like it have to do is move to Europe.

It will be nice when we get some Repubs back in and get back to an America that I remember - once based on capitalism, not one that has the majority of folks working for the government.

That, and repealing that horrible heatlh care bill, and replacing it will something much simplier and less costly, will be a happy day for America.

It might be a longshot, but in 2012, IF there is a republican majority in house/senate (both likely) and President (50/50 at this time), my understanding that the first thing they will do is repeal the healthcare bill and replace it. Nothing would be better for this country.
 

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That, and repealing that horrible heatlh care bill, and replacing it will something much simplier and less costly, will be a happy day for America.

It might be a longshot, but in 2012, IF there is a republican majority in house/senate (both likely) and President (50/50 at this time), my understanding that the first thing they will do is repeal the healthcare bill and replace it. Nothing would be better for this country.

Hey Mags,
Keep dreaming. That bill won't be repealed. You need 2/3 majority in both houses. Good luck with that.

This is what i'm talking about in regards to propaganda. You have these middle class people who like sheep vote against their interests. In this example you have a middle class guy who has been programmed that spending money on health care as opposed to war is a bad thing. Then they feed them this crap that even if that is what is good for them, its not going to happen. So you have a good number of people voting for something that will never happen. Ohh well the cycle continues.
 

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I went around to around 15 different sites and checked out their politics forums.

They're all pretty bad but this one is the world's fucking worst, by far. There isn't even a close 2nd.

What a fucking mess this place is.

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I doubt this place will be around for football.

just sayin'

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Seems pretty cut and dry, if you disagree with a conservative point of view, call them a RACIST, it's in the Obama play book.

Pity really.

JMO.

I agree. I've had it with this liberal website.:(
 

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Interestingly, as bad as a President as Bush was (which I think we ALL can agree), I'll bet the political forums were nothing like they are today. Why? Because Bush didn't upset the applecart and make so many momentus decisions and changes that were contratry to what the public wanted.

It was just as bad then. Fuck Bush. For some reason, everyone's a pussy now all of sudden. God bless this hellhole.
 

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Many, many of us don't want the "change" Obama has brought to America.

If we did, we could have easily have gotten this "change" by moving to Europe, where many of his social programs are rooted (and not doing well, by the way). Why downgrade America to be Europe like, when that option is out there already.

It is like a Corvette dumping itself down to be a minivan - yes, some people like minivans, then they should go buy them. Likewise, if people want cradle to grave entitlements without having to work, then please move to Europe. In fact, they might want to try Greece and see how well that system is working out for them.

No need to change America, when all people that don't like it have to do is move to Europe.

It will be nice when we get some Repubs back in and get back to an America that I remember - once based on capitalism, not one that has the majority of folks working for the government.

That, and repealing that horrible heatlh care bill, and replacing it will something much simplier and less costly, will be a happy day for America.

It might be a longshot, but in 2012, IF there is a republican majority in house/senate (both likely) and President (50/50 at this time), my understanding that the first thing they will do is repeal the healthcare bill and replace it. Nothing would be better for this country.
That's a great parody of Republican chain letters. Just remember to start them with "Dear Mr. Obama,"... :0003
 

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That, and repealing that horrible heatlh care bill, and replacing it will something much simplier and less costly, will be a happy day for America.

It might be a longshot, but in 2012, IF there is a republican majority in house/senate (both likely) and President (50/50 at this time), my understanding that the first thing they will do is repeal the healthcare bill and replace it. Nothing would be better for this country.
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It took over 100 years for any President of the US to get a health care bill reform passed.

You remember the one where the insurance co, drs, drug companies, and other crooks were stealing the medical care system bankrupt.

This will never be reversed. Hopefully it will modified over many years to make it what it should be.

repeal the healthcare bill and replace it:142smilie
 

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Hey Mags,
Keep dreaming. That bill won't be repealed. You need 2/3 majority in both houses. Good luck with that.

This is what i'm talking about in regards to propaganda. You have these middle class people who like sheep vote against their interests. In this example you have a middle class guy who has been programmed that spending money on health care as opposed to war is a bad thing. Then they feed them this crap that even if that is what is good for them, its not going to happen. So you have a good number of people voting for something that will never happen. Ohh well the cycle continues.

Trampled:

It may not be as far fetched as one might think. I'll admit, I didn't know it took 2/3 majority to repeal though, which will make it tougher. It's hard to believe that a completely partisan bad bill can be passed by using bribes and threats with only 60 votes in the Senate, but it will take 66 votes to undo a bad thing? Doesn't make sense.

But, moving forward - here are all the positive messages that can be announced with repeal of the health care bill:

1. It will reduce the deficit. Originally, the Dems and CBO lied about this - the CBO has now come out and said it will increase the deficit. So, now by repeal, we will be reducing the deficit. Very positive message in our current climate.

2. It will result in substantial tax decreases, as the current bill has large tax increases, including a large one on investment income, which will affect all, as it will hurt the market (and everyone's mutual funds and retirement funds). Positive #2.

3. It will signficantly reduce the number of government positions, as a ton were created with this bill - further reduces tax dollars that must be allocated.

4. It will remove the Individual Mandate, which most people hate and many people feel is unconstitutional.

5. It will foster more competition and more choices for the consumer, as there are a number of carriers that have already announced or will announce shortly that they will leave the market due to the bill. We will also not force people to choose a benefit plan that is much richer than they want or need - further reducing price.

6. By repealing the bill, we will bring premiums down from the levels they are projected to grow to based on the new bill. The CBO has already said that premiums will rise more as a result of this bill than they would have without the bill.

7. Seniors will love this, as Medicare Advantage wouldn't be taken away from them - and 20% of seniors currently have a Med Advantage policy today. Repeal will make Medicare stronger (unlike the bill, which weakens Medicare).

The only issue that the Reps will have to address is to ensure that ALL people have the opportunity to purchase coverage - which I believe all people should have the right to do (not mandated to do). This can be easily accomplished via a national high risk pool for those who cannot obtain insurance in the private marketplace due to health history. Best way to fund this would be a tax on providers/hospitals/devices/drugs - so the entire country shares in subsidizing this market - which is rather small to begin with, as 85% of the folks in this country had coverage to begin with before the bill was passed - and many of the 15% that remained could get coverage if they wanted to, but choose not to.

There really is no negatives to repealing the bill, and so many political positive messages (points 1-7 above) that it should be an easy sell.

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if this does occur. So much has been done against the mainstream America's wishes - and this is the biggest issue for a lot of America's voters.

It's a bad bill when the majority of folks that voted for it have no idea of what was actually in it or actually read it (which most of them admit they didn't do - even Pelosi didn't - as she said "You haev to pass it to find out what is in it"). THAT is the definition of blind sheep following a leader that is not mainstream America.

Don't speak too soon - way too many political postiives that will be easy to sell the public on in repeal of this bill. Who can say no to lower taxes, lower deficit, lower health care premiums, more companies/products to choose from, no individual mandate AND smaller government all at the same time?

To me, that is a winning message.
 

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It took over 100 years for any President of the US to get a health care bill reform passed.

You remember the one where the insurance co, drs, drug companies, and other crooks were stealing the medical care system bankrupt.

This will never be reversed. Hopefully it will modified over many years to make it what it should be.

repeal the healthcare bill and replace it:142smilie

Actually, not true. Under Bill Clinton's leadership, HIPPA was passed which was a health care reform bill. And that was 1996. So, it has only been 14 years. And HIPPA had bi-partisan support, which helped make it a better bill.

Not sure why everyone thinks this bill is better - why is increasing the deficit, higher premiums, possible future rationing of health care by the government better?

As I said, making sure everyone has access to coverage is what matters - so IF people want to purchase it, they can. This can be done rather easily - why not do it while reducing costs, taxes, and the deficit - instead of the way we are doing it now? It is just non-sensical.

We'll see what happens when the Repub get majority again (they will sooner or later, just as the Dems will again have control again after that).

There isn't anyone (that I've heard of) that actually thinks this is a good bill - and most think we are in a worse situation that before. So why not repeal it?

And Scott, I know you like to start name calling and stuff like that when someone disagrees with you (instead of intelligent conversation), so if that is what you intend on doing, save your breath (or fingers, in this case)
 
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