1000 More Inspetors.

[djv]

Funny how it's ok now to send 1000's of inspectors to Iraq. Now estmated at 1300 there. With this 1000 still coming. And of course afew 1000's of our troops there. Before the war they had 128 inspectors.
When mention then lets put in another 1000. Hell what good would that due was the administrations reply. Now after we lost over 150 GI's. Blew up parts of acountry. It's Ok. Amazing. Just FK amazing. Some more chit we all get topay for. Could have been done with out the war. And we need all the help in looking but don't let the inspectors that were there back to help. What the hell are we doing. We look like were sacred to let them come and help.

 

[StevieD]

You make a great point DJV. Not to mention that when they finally do find something no one is going to believe it. I will love to see the bill for this. The cost in human lives is all ready too high. No one can convince me thast if we threw this much money around we couldn't of gotten rid Saddam without firing a shot. But hey, I see Halliburton didn't quite have the oil well fires to put out but it looks like the wells are in worse shape than we imagined and will take much more $$ to fix than thought. I think they get 10% of that too! LOL! Oh yeah this is a good time to give a tax break to the upper class. Man oh man this is such a crock! And where are the journalist to report this stuff?

 

[TheShrimp]

I'll tell ya guys. . .I'm still open to the possibility that this whole thing turns out well, but I grow more and more wary of it every day.

How about all this Jessica Lynch stuff now? The feel-good story of the war.

Turns out that instead of the heroic rescue the press had some believing, the Iraqis tried to bring her back several times, and finally gave us a map to the hospital and her location IN the hospital.

Anything to make some heroes for everyone to rally behind though.

No disrespect to Lynch, her trauma and suffering, or the people that got her. I'm just not so proud of the lies we were fed about the whole saga.

I also understand we didn't want an ambulance driving up to a checkpoint. Certainly, some Iraqis were dressing as civilians and ambushing us so we couldn't really just walk right into places, but don't portray it like it was some heroic rescue either.

 

[AR182]

shrimp,

where did you hear about the lynch story?


you guys always think that the gov't is up to no good. lets see how everything turns out.

i wouldn't let anyone associated with the un in iraq either. these so called diplomats like to play both sides, which makes me suspicious. the only thing that the un should do is pay their parking tickets & clean up the mess they made when they raided the un kitchen & return what they stole from the un.

 

[dr. freeze]

why dont you guys for once complain about the $$ we pay for people in this country to NOT work at all?

the things you complain about are miniscule compared to what we give away for FREE.....and the $$ that it costs to give that $$ away for free ("jobs" to administer it)....and while doing so, are handicapping minds and bodies by disabling them and keeping them down....

and for a double whammy....just think of the productivity that is lost because these people dont work!!! You can make more $$ off welfare than you can doing your job in many instances.

Yet you complain about people who are working, and about those who lose almost half their income to the gov't to support such waste....I don't get it!

 

[TheShrimp]

National print and broadcast media. It was in some papers yesterday and on the news.

This is from the usa today, today . . .

Officials said last month that Lynch was rescued in a daring commando raid April 1 at the hospital in the southern town of Nasiriyah, with special forces breaking down doors and spiriting her away.

Since then, several news organizations reported differing versions of the rescue, citing doctors who said they had tried earlier to take Lynch to American forces but were fired on as they approached.

Those reports said that her Iraqi captors had left the hospital during the last days of March and that hospital medical staff took Lynch in an ambulance to a U.S. checkpoint but couldn't get close enough to hand her over.

A couple of days later, U.S. troops burst into the hospital, doctors said, adding that they could simply have walked in with no problem because there were no Iraqi guards left.


What I saw yesterday said an Iraqi had given us a map to the hospital, and directions once they got to the hospital about where she was.

I don't mean to be cynical at all about the rescue of this girl. I just cite it as a case of us not really getting the whole story.

 

[StevieD]

nevermind. sorry.

 

[TBONEZ0295]

How about all this Jessica Lynch stuff now? The feel-good story of the war.

Turns out that instead of the heroic rescue the press had some believing, the Iraqis tried to bring her back several times, and finally gave us a map to the hospital and her location IN the hospital.

Anything to make some heroes for everyone to rally behind though.

No disrespect to Lynch, her trauma and suffering, or the people that got her. I'm just not so proud of the lies we were fed about the whole saga.

SORRY TO GO OFF THE TOPIC DJV BUT I HAD TO RESPOND TO THIS

YEH I'VE HEARD ALL DIFFERENT STORIES ALONG THE WAY BUT YOU KNOW WHAT??? WHO CARES............IF THIS STORY BROUGHT COMFORT TO OTHER FAMILIES WITH POW'S THEN I SAY THE MEDIA DID A GOOD JOB,THE STORY I ORIGINALLY HEARD WAS THAT A NURSE FROM THE HOPITAL HAD HER IRAQI HUSBAND PICKING HER UP FROM WORK HE COULD NOT STAND THE SOUNDS OF HER CRYING TO GO HOME HE APPARENTLY HAS 2 DAUGHTERS OF HIS OWN.............FROM WHAT THE STORY SAID HE RISKED HIS OWN LIFEAND HE DELIVERED A MAP TO THE US SOLDIERS TELLING HER WHERE ABOUTS SO DOES THAT MEAN THOSE SOLDIERS DON'T DESERVE A LITTLE F****G CREDIT I SAY THEY DO!!! YEH OK ITS NOT LIKE NONE OF US KNOW WHAT THE MEDIA CAN DO TO A STORY THATS OLD NEWS

DR.FREEZE- I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU.....................................BUT WHAT REALLY PISSES ME OFF IS THAT YES WE SUPPORT A BUNCH OF LAZY A** F**KS AND IN MY ENDEVORES OF ADOPTING TROOPS I LEARNED A WHOLE LOT OF STUFF ABOUT THE MILITARY LIKE THOSE GUYS OVER THERE IN IRAQ ARE PAYING UP TO $10 OUT OF THERE OWN $$$$ TO BUY DIAPER WIPES WHATS UP WITH THAT?? BELIEVE ME WHEN I TELL YOU I THINK THIS IS A DIGRACE NO WONDER 99.9% OF OUR VETS HAVE A CHIP ON THERE SHOULDER "THAT STATEMENT WAS NOT MEANT TO OFFEND ANYONE"
BUT IF YOU DON'T KNOW FROM READING AROUND HERE I ADOPTED SOME TROOPS AND THERE REQUESTS ARE JUST UNBELIEVABLE ONE MIGHT THINK-(LIKE I DID) THAT THERE ABSOLUTE NEEDS ARE BEING MET BUT AS IT TURNS OUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THEY REALLY AREN'T !U DA MAN IF YOU HAVE EYE DROPS,DIAPER WIPES, AND SOME RIPPLED TOILET PAPER.............

DJV-ONCE AGAIN I APOLOGIZE FOR :topic: I REALLY TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM OUR WORLD NEWS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ..............YOU KNOW, ONLY TUNING INTO STUFF LIKE POWDER PUFF FOOTBALL

 

[djv]

TBone no problem say what's on your mind. Doc The right wing does same with this story as you just did. They spin it to all the money waisted here at home. Why? Because there is no answer as to why the planned to use 2000 inpectors before the war was stupid. But is now the correct answer. Only reason it upsets me is the GI's lives lost. At least here back home if we hand out some money we dont need over 150 lives lost. On that point of handing out money. If we dont stop losing jobs every month we will be handing out much more.
Unemploment. January 2000 4%. June 2000 4.3% January 2001 5% As of yesterday May 8th 2003 6%. I dont call that a winning streak. And yes if I was top dog and came onto office with only 4% and 2.4 years later it was 6%. I would be man enough to stand up and say. I have not done my job. Would not even think about trying to spin it back words.

 

[dr. freeze]

DJV....there is a GREAT reason why the use of inspectors before the war was stupid....

those inspectors were A. Manipulated by Hussein and B. Pawns from the UN nations who were bought off

If Unemployment is such a problem, then how are you going to get more people hired? Do know of a better way then to allow businessmen to be able to afford to hire people other than by giving them a taxbreak?

 

[StevieD]

Freeze how about this. The business man is not going to hire anybody if he can't move his product. Put the money in the hands of the people who will spend it by buying the goods that the businessman sells. Then the businessman will hire people to make more product. The more people he hires the more people will be able to buy his product. Kind of like a snowball effect.
If you give the rich of this country more money they ain't gonna put it back in the economy. They all ready have everything they need. Half the problem these businesses have is the inventory that they cannot move.

 

[dr. freeze]

first of all....you are not "giving" the rich money....instead you are not stealing more from them than what is fair. Why should the rich guy have to pay more than you and I? Why cripple the American deam? I don't get this mentality? Maybe, it could be argued that taxing someone at the same rate would be fair...but definitely not at increasing rates. That is not fair at all. Saying that a guy should pay 15 bucks for his movie ticket because he makes twice as much as you is unfair enough (illustrating a flat tax), but making him pay 30 bucks is the current system's mentality while you pay 3 bucks)

So your whole argument about giving them money just is absurd IMO.

On lowering everyones taxes I agree with you. Give everyone back their tax money. We are way overtaxed. Both rich and poor will spend money. Both should get a tax reduction. In addition, the business man will be able to hire more people generating jobs.

I also disagree with the notion that allowing the upper class to keep their money (well at least more of it) is a money drain. Just what will they do with their money if they keep it? Dig a hole in their backyard and bury it? No way. If anything, they stick it back into the economy. Saying that they won't is absurd. How do you think these peopel got rich in the first place? Other than inheritance, most know how to handle their own money. Most of them know BEST how to make money and stimulate the economy. They will spend it AND invest it. In either way, wealth and jobs are created and productivity INCREASES.

Productivity, in the end, is the another problem IMO. We have too many people doing very little at their jobs for one reason or another.

 

[ryson]

Freeze how about this. The business man is not going to hire anybody if he can't move his product. Put the money in the hands of the people who will spend it by buying the goods that the businessman sells. Then the businessman will hire people to make more product. The more people he hires the more people will be able to buy his product. Kind of like a snowball effect.
If you give the rich of this country more money they ain't gonna put it back in the economy. They all ready have everything they need. Half the problem these businesses have is the inventory that they cannot move.

Isn't that what a taxbreak does? I will use myself as an example, currently under the Presidents plan that will save me about $1000 on my tax bill. You get the money to the people by a cutting taxes. Personally I feel we should just get rid of income tax and raise the sales tax to say 14-15%, from there let the state itself answer to the fed when it comes to paying taxes. This allows us to leverage the monies from the "underground" of the United States.

 

[StevieD]

Freeze, if we were running a surplus I could almost agree with you about giving them their money back. But sad fact is that we are not. Bush is supposed to be doing this to give the economy a boost. If that is the case then he has to get the money in the hands of the people who will spend it.
It is absurd to think the rich will put the money back in. They will put the money back in their savings.
The guy who doesn't have much savings and is saving up for an appliance or a trip or a car or whatever, he will spend it when he gets it. That is what will create jobs. Not some rich guy adding to his all ready stuffed bank account.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

A reduction of tax on investment income has traditionally been a way to get a recovery and provide jobs. But I don?t think that it will be that easy this time due to the fact that in today?s world, it is as easy to manage an overseas company as it is one in another state. That wasn?t always the case the last time a tax cut of this magnitude was used. Asking the private sector to look out for the American worker by providing jobs won?t happen anymore because the rich (and everyone else) look out for themselves.

Investing in U.S. plants and U.S. employees just isn?t a good investment anymore, not when others can provide the same work with the same quality for much cheaper.

 

[djv]

BBC you are correct. These big outfits run to places off shore for tax protection. Do not pay there fair share. Then ship jobs over seas. Then blame it all on the American worker. What the hell happens when there not much left here. How soon before we cant even build enough here to arm our selfs. Ask people of
Pennsyivania where most the steel industry went.
Doc we need all inspectors in we can get per Mr Bush. The UN inpectors were from 26 differant countries. Please dont fall for that BS they were all on Saddam side and all hate us. Lets face it if these WMD were just laying around like we were told they were. We should have found tons of chit and 1000 more should not even be needed.

 

[dr. freeze]

fall for what? do you think I am going to trust Hans Blix before I trust the American military machine? Trust that cohort to "inspect" the UN while the Germans, France and Russia are making $$ off of this regime? I do know this: it is EASY to hide anything in this region. Especially in the sand. THe Germans showed Iraq an easy way to build a bunker where sand would soon blow over the top and make it look like a sand dune. Yet we were supposed to trust Saddam to take this shady UN inspection team right to the WMD's? And the same people who expect this to be done exhibit paranoia about everything that the Bush administration does?

As far as the American "worker" goes....The American worker needs to get off his ass and work like he used to. Now he spends too much time sitting around and trying not to do too much as his union demands. There needs to be some serious union reform in this country before anything else. There is not a contractor in Houston that would rather have 3 union member Americans doing the same job that 1 Mexican worker does REGARDLESS of pay. Add to that, you have to pay 10 times more per worker and your efficiency is lacking about 30 times. And you blame the businessman for doing this? What woudl you do DJV if you were a businessman?

When companies go overseas and avoiding taxes....just what taxes are they avoiding? This seems to be a great line for the anti-business crowd, but I wonder what exactly these taxes are???? ANd what companies are avoiding them? Maybe I am just ignorant, but what taxes are business supposed to pay? And do we as consumers want them to pay anymore taxes? Wouldn't that just drive prices up even more and give the government more $$ to spend???

As far as a surplus is concerned...the reason we have a deficit is A. we give out way too much foreign "aid" for nothing in return...and B. we give away way too much free money and pay for jobs to administer that free money which are very inefficient.

Dont blame the guy who is paying at a 40% tax clip and would like that to come down a little. Why not blame the SYSTEM which deliivers pizza to the guy sitting at home watching TV every day? ALl the while CRIPPLING him because he does not work. Instead he gets led into a vicious cycle of unproductive life which loses its meaning, laziness, depression and all the other things that come along with poverty. And soon they would rather NOT work. And I can name about 100 diseases, conditions, and crimes which are all influenced by a lack of meaningful jobs.

But no, we would rather blame anyone who actually is productive and innovative in this country. They are the "greedy" people. But no, me the liberal, who has a bleeding heart for people so much that I would give them money and support this horrible cycle of dispair, am not greedy at all.

One more thing StevieD.....if I "save" my money....where do you think that money goes? WHat happens if I "invest" it in the stock market? Or in a bank? Do you think by chance that just might have something to do with the economy? hmmmmmm........

 

[ryson]

Don't get sucked into the BS my good Dr., as we say in TX, all hat no cattle.

 

[StevieD]

My good doctor I do not think the American Working man is a lazy bum. Some Americans are getting hand outs yes. But those are not the ones I am talking about. I am talking about the hard working American middle class. The very backbone of this country. The guy who is getting squeezed every which way. The guy who doesn't qualify for the welfare because he works and works damn hard. The same guy who gets squeezed out everytime they start handing out corporate welfare and tax cuts and loopholes to the rich. You know the guy Freeze, he's the guy who used to take his kids to a few ball games a year before the tax breaks allowed the big business tycoon to write off his entertainment expense and drove the cost of tickets out of reach.
That is the guy I am talking about, the one you try to pretend doesn't exist.

 

[Chanman]

as we say in TX, all hat no cattle.

First time I heard that one- its pretty good.