2004 Pac 10 OOC vs SEC OOC Opponents!!!
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I see the writer of this article agree's with that most of us have been saying:
"Three leagues can make legitimate claims as the strongest conference this season: the ACC, Big 12 and SEC."
Although I would include the Big Ten in the slot of the ACC although the ACC is really going to be making a push.
One thing this writer failed to do was research why some of these games were being played, for example Nebraska had a team drop them and back out of a contract (Houston) thus there was not much out there to schedule with such a late pullout! He also fails to note that some of the weaker and upstart Division 1-A teams have to schedule Div 1-AA teams if they want to play some non-conf home games! How many teams in 1-A are going to agree to go to South Florida since it is well known that they are awesome at home and the payday will be quite small, what value would that hold for someone to go play them? On the other hand teams like Baylor or Duke offer little value for a 1-A team to play on the road as the payday's are nothing! Also some of these games are played against in-state institutions that can be mandated by the state government and are also trade off's for the team agreeing to schedule each other in the minor sports to decrease travel costs, sort of similiar to the Pac 10 scheduling multiple games against San Jose State!
"Three leagues can make legitimate claims as the strongest conference this season: the ACC, Big 12 and SEC."
Although I would include the Big Ten in the slot of the ACC although the ACC is really going to be making a push.
One thing this writer failed to do was research why some of these games were being played, for example Nebraska had a team drop them and back out of a contract (Houston) thus there was not much out there to schedule with such a late pullout! He also fails to note that some of the weaker and upstart Division 1-A teams have to schedule Div 1-AA teams if they want to play some non-conf home games! How many teams in 1-A are going to agree to go to South Florida since it is well known that they are awesome at home and the payday will be quite small, what value would that hold for someone to go play them? On the other hand teams like Baylor or Duke offer little value for a 1-A team to play on the road as the payday's are nothing! Also some of these games are played against in-state institutions that can be mandated by the state government and are also trade off's for the team agreeing to schedule each other in the minor sports to decrease travel costs, sort of similiar to the Pac 10 scheduling multiple games against San Jose State!
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Master Capper
Big 12 was pretty bad last year. The 5th strongest conference. I would not be so quick to proclaim the Big 12 in contention for the strongest conference. Maybe you were impressed by the Big 12 last year. I wasn't.
I agree the ACC and SEC should contend for the strongest conference this season. ACC being my pick.
That is false. USC had 2 open dates this upcoming season and they scheduled V-Tech and Colorado St. Not any div. 1aa opponents. That is not an excuse for Nebraska. NO div. 1a team has to play a div. 1aa team unless they want too. USC is prime example this year with 2 open slots. OU also had 2 open slots and I do not think they scheduled 1aa team? Both USC and OU had 2 late open slots and filled them both in. Nebraska only had one and chose div. 1aa team. Face the facts. Nebraska wanted to play div. 1aa team. Stop sticking up for them. Nebraska has history of playing div. 1aa teams.
I agree with you that the lesser teams in the conference have trouble scheduling tougher competition or getting teams to play them at home. BUT the Pac 10 lesser teams don't seen to have much trouble finding not only div. 1a teams but TOUGH DIV. 1a opponents. Maybe the Pac 10 do not have lesser teams like other conferences. Arizona was the worst team in the Pac 10 last year, yet played the #4 SOS in the nation and played LSU at home.
Overall, I think most of the time it is the Div. 1a team who WANTS to play div. 1aa team. Not because they are forced or have no choice to play the div. 1aa team. Take Nebraska for example. Nebraska has scheduled SERIES with div. 1aa opponents. So do you honestly think Nebraska looked for div. 1a opponents to fill in their schedule this year? The evidence does not back that assumption up. Does Kansas St. look for div. 1aa teams to play or do they play them cuz they have no choice? Just 2 examples and both schools have history of playing 1aa teams.
Big 12 was pretty bad last year. The 5th strongest conference. I would not be so quick to proclaim the Big 12 in contention for the strongest conference. Maybe you were impressed by the Big 12 last year. I wasn't.
I agree the ACC and SEC should contend for the strongest conference this season. ACC being my pick.
That is false. USC had 2 open dates this upcoming season and they scheduled V-Tech and Colorado St. Not any div. 1aa opponents. That is not an excuse for Nebraska. NO div. 1a team has to play a div. 1aa team unless they want too. USC is prime example this year with 2 open slots. OU also had 2 open slots and I do not think they scheduled 1aa team? Both USC and OU had 2 late open slots and filled them both in. Nebraska only had one and chose div. 1aa team. Face the facts. Nebraska wanted to play div. 1aa team. Stop sticking up for them. Nebraska has history of playing div. 1aa teams.
I agree with you that the lesser teams in the conference have trouble scheduling tougher competition or getting teams to play them at home. BUT the Pac 10 lesser teams don't seen to have much trouble finding not only div. 1a teams but TOUGH DIV. 1a opponents. Maybe the Pac 10 do not have lesser teams like other conferences. Arizona was the worst team in the Pac 10 last year, yet played the #4 SOS in the nation and played LSU at home.
Overall, I think most of the time it is the Div. 1a team who WANTS to play div. 1aa team. Not because they are forced or have no choice to play the div. 1aa team. Take Nebraska for example. Nebraska has scheduled SERIES with div. 1aa opponents. So do you honestly think Nebraska looked for div. 1a opponents to fill in their schedule this year? The evidence does not back that assumption up. Does Kansas St. look for div. 1aa teams to play or do they play them cuz they have no choice? Just 2 examples and both schools have history of playing 1aa teams.
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Scott,
Your so full of $hit that it has become embarrassing to even chat with you in any of your threads! You are so myopic towards USC that you blame me for the Author of the article that you posted as another rant on the PAC 10 saying that the Big 12 was a better Conf! Then you state that you know that Nebraska could of scheduled a stronger team but did you take the time to do some research on this? Go search a few credible web sites and you will see the only other opening was with a team from the Sunbelt whom wanted a long term deal with a home game! To even compare the Big 12 with the Pac 10 is laughable, the level of football is not near the same from the top down! Again you make a foolish statement that the Pac 10 does not have lesser teams like other conf's but in reality year in and year out they have bad bottom dwelling teams that you choose not to recall, didnt one of the lesser go to ASU and beat them (UNC) when ASU was a superior team? In your judgment to condemn other leagues for playing Div1-AA teams you choose to conveniently omit such luminary teams that the Pac 10 has played Montana State, Eastern Wash, Sac State, Eastern Kentucky and it seems that each team in the league gets at least one shot each year at Idaho and San Jose State, why did you fail to use this in your analysis of other leagues? Scott, in the future I will not be responding in any of your threads that you start and I ask you do the same to mine, football season is right around the corner and your commentaries are a waste of time, I am sure you could go to ESPN college football message board and feel much more at home posting each ten minutes about the superiority of USC and the Pac 10!
Your so full of $hit that it has become embarrassing to even chat with you in any of your threads! You are so myopic towards USC that you blame me for the Author of the article that you posted as another rant on the PAC 10 saying that the Big 12 was a better Conf! Then you state that you know that Nebraska could of scheduled a stronger team but did you take the time to do some research on this? Go search a few credible web sites and you will see the only other opening was with a team from the Sunbelt whom wanted a long term deal with a home game! To even compare the Big 12 with the Pac 10 is laughable, the level of football is not near the same from the top down! Again you make a foolish statement that the Pac 10 does not have lesser teams like other conf's but in reality year in and year out they have bad bottom dwelling teams that you choose not to recall, didnt one of the lesser go to ASU and beat them (UNC) when ASU was a superior team? In your judgment to condemn other leagues for playing Div1-AA teams you choose to conveniently omit such luminary teams that the Pac 10 has played Montana State, Eastern Wash, Sac State, Eastern Kentucky and it seems that each team in the league gets at least one shot each year at Idaho and San Jose State, why did you fail to use this in your analysis of other leagues? Scott, in the future I will not be responding in any of your threads that you start and I ask you do the same to mine, football season is right around the corner and your commentaries are a waste of time, I am sure you could go to ESPN college football message board and feel much more at home posting each ten minutes about the superiority of USC and the Pac 10!
Master Capper
What? You and the article think the Big 12 will contend for the strongest conference next year. I disagree with YOU and the Article on that opinion. You got a problem with that? I even explained why. Big 12 was the 5th strongest conference last year, so I do not see them contending for the strongest this year. They very well may end up being the best but I am not so easily convinced. Why did you bring up the Pac 10? I did not mention the Pac 10. :nono:
As for Nebraska I am not going to defend that program in terms of scheduling OOC 1aa teams. Nebraska has played many 1aa teams in the past so if they scheduled another 1aa team next year that is no news to me.
Last year the Big 12 was the 5th strongest conference behind the ACC, SEC, Big10/Pac10. Still impressed by the Big 12? Take a look at the defense played in the Big 12. Take a look at all 12 teams in the Big 12. Take a look how the conference did in bowl season last year.
Enough said.
Then you rant about me not saying the Pac 10 plays bad 1a opponents. I never said that. I did say the Pac 10 next year is playing ONE div 1aa opponent while the ACC is playing 6, Big East 6, and SEC 5. Those are the facts buddy. Sorry that the truth hurts and the Pac 10 is only playing 1 div. 1aa opponent next season. Not my fault if you have a hard time accepting the truth.
Maybe you did not understand the article. The article was about Div. 1a teams scheduling div. 1aa teams. I suggest you read the article over again.
You are the one trying to make this into a USC/Pac 10 debate. This article and my last post of mine was talking about all the conferences in college football. Not making up the data.
Good luck with your college football handicapping this upcoming season!
What? You and the article think the Big 12 will contend for the strongest conference next year. I disagree with YOU and the Article on that opinion. You got a problem with that? I even explained why. Big 12 was the 5th strongest conference last year, so I do not see them contending for the strongest this year. They very well may end up being the best but I am not so easily convinced. Why did you bring up the Pac 10? I did not mention the Pac 10. :nono:
As for Nebraska I am not going to defend that program in terms of scheduling OOC 1aa teams. Nebraska has played many 1aa teams in the past so if they scheduled another 1aa team next year that is no news to me.
Last year the Big 12 was the 5th strongest conference behind the ACC, SEC, Big10/Pac10. Still impressed by the Big 12? Take a look at the defense played in the Big 12. Take a look at all 12 teams in the Big 12. Take a look how the conference did in bowl season last year.
Enough said.
Then you rant about me not saying the Pac 10 plays bad 1a opponents. I never said that. I did say the Pac 10 next year is playing ONE div 1aa opponent while the ACC is playing 6, Big East 6, and SEC 5. Those are the facts buddy. Sorry that the truth hurts and the Pac 10 is only playing 1 div. 1aa opponent next season. Not my fault if you have a hard time accepting the truth.
Maybe you did not understand the article. The article was about Div. 1a teams scheduling div. 1aa teams. I suggest you read the article over again.
You are the one trying to make this into a USC/Pac 10 debate. This article and my last post of mine was talking about all the conferences in college football. Not making up the data.
Good luck with your college football handicapping this upcoming season!
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i still think this year the ACC teams have the toughest schedule. 9 of their teams are in the top 30 in SOS....
