2004 Pac 10 OOC vs SEC OOC Opponents!!!

[Scott4USC]

I was challenged by a poster to post the Pac 10 OOC opponents vs SEC OOC opponents. So I decided to do it and glad I did. Take a look at the difference in quality of teams the Pac 10 plays vs SEC.

Pac 10 plays 13 road games against OOC competition.
SEC plays 5 road games against OOC competition. :142lmao:

From the top of my head it looks like the.........
Pac 10 is playing 14 OOC Bowl opponents from last year!!!!!!!!!!!
SEC is playing 8 bowl opponents from last year.

After looking over each conferences OOC schedule, in my "opinion" I think the.......
Pac 10 has roughly 18 tough OOC opponent competition!!!!
SEC has 8 tough OOC opponent competition.

I think I was very fair in determining tough competition and IMO there are no more than 10 tough OOC games for SEC and there are no less than 15 tough OOC games for the Pac 10. You also "must" factor in away/home games. I strongly feel the Pac 10 is playing 10 tougher OOC opponents than the SEC and the Pac 10 is a 10 team conference while the SEC is a 12 team conference!!!!

Don't believe my numbers or opinion? Take a look for yourself but be prepared to laugh at the SEC OOC competition! I warned ya! :lol2 :lol2 :lol2
*Bold are games I "think" will be "very" hard in terms of OOC play

Pac 10 OOC Opponents

Northern Arizona
Utah
Wisconsin
UTEP
Iowa
New Mexico State
Indiana
Idaho
New Mexico
San Jose State
BYU
Oklahoma State
Colorado
San Diego State
Colorado State
Fresno State
San Jose State
at Air Force
at Northwestern
at Oklahoma
at Southern Miss
at Boise State (very tough environment and blue carpet)
at Notre Dame
at LSU
at Illinois
at Virginia Tech (yes it is virtually home game for V-Tech. Take a look in the stands and tell me it will be neutral site! :lol2)
at BYU
at Notre Dame
at Idaho
at New Mexico

SEC OOC Opponents :142lmao:

Utah State
Western Carolina
Southern Miss
New Mexico State
Texas
Louisiana Monroe
The Citadel
Louisiana Tech
Middle Tenn. St.
Eastern Michigan
Georgia Southern
Marshall
Indiana
Ohio
Oregon State
Arkansas State
Memphis
Arkansas State
Tulane
Maine
UAB
UNLV
Louisiana Tech
Rutgers
Eastern Kentucky
at Louisiana Monroe
at Florida State
at Louisville
at Wyoming
at Navy

Ok, now that I am done beating my chest about OOC opponents between the Pac 10 and SEC I know that some ignorant poster will reply. "SEC does not have to schedule tough OOC opponents because conference play is so tough." I think SEC conference has some elite teams and that is where conference play is "tough" but SEC sure has their bottom dwellers. Last year Kentucky, Miss. St. and Vandy all won 1 conference game all year and that was against each other. PATHETIC!!!!!!

In addition, if the SEC conference play was so tough, how come "only" 1 SEC team has had a top 15 SOS through the years 1990-1999 and 2000-2003???? (#15 was highest for SEC (FLORIDA) and #1 was the highest for a Pac 10 school (USC).

If conference play is so tough, wouldn't more SEC teams have stronger SOS for combined years??? That SEC conference schedule is soooo tough! In those same years between 1990-1999 and 2000-2003 the Pac 10 has had 9 teams ranked in the top 15 in terms of SOS. That is 90% of the conference! If the Pac 10 conference schedule is so "weak" as some here might suggest, then how could 9 of the 10 teams in the Pac 10 play a SOS ranked in the top 15?????

I am not making this stuff up and I am not misleading anyone. It is all right here in front of you. You have the choice to accept it or choose to be ignorant.

I am not trying to debate that the Pac 10 is superior to the SEC. I do not think it is. This is just one piece in my arsenal that supports my opinion that the SEC is NOT superior to the Pac 10.

Decade Conference Rankings sorted in terms of SOS

1990-1999

2000-2003

Decade Team Rankings sorted in terms of SOS

1990-1999

2000-2003

:clap:

*Remember when I am comparing conference strengths when I say the SEC is not superior to the Pac 10, I am NOT talking about the past history of college football. I am not talking about just last year (where SEC had good SOS). I am talking about recent history. That could be the years 2000-2003 or the last 5-10 years. NOT talking about the last 10+ years or just one specific year. I am talking about a collection of data! This post was not my sole argument about SEC vs Pac 10 debate of strength of conferences. This data is just an example (or sample) of data about the difference between OOC play between the Pac 10 and SEC. This thread is just about OOC play for the SEC and Pac 10 for the year 2004.

**I will be leaving for vacation tom. so I doubt I will be near a computer this weekend to answer replies if there are any.

Hope everyone has a wonderful 4th of July weekend!!!!!!!!

Happy 4th of July!!!!!

 

[CWood97]

haven't checked the forum in months and what's the first thing I see when I come back, ole Scott plugging the Pac-10 again. Jack, can we please have a moratorium on this BS once the season starts?!?!?!?!?!

 

[Scott4USC]

CWood97

What a worthless post you just contributed. Had nothing to do with this thread. You had nothing productive to add. :nono:
IT IS THE OFF-SEASON!!!!!!!!

THE OFF-SEASON!!!!!!!!

Poor cwood97 is :cursin:

This "BS" YOU are talking about is FACTUAL DATA!!! :lol2 Guess you do not like the reality of college football. Thanks for the laugh Cwood97 before my trip!!!!!!!! :142lmao:

Oh now I know what pisses you off. USC smoking Michigan in the Rose Bowl and what is my user name? Scott4USC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :142lmao:

 

[Kdogg21]

don't worry cwood you haven't missed nothing. scott keeps on crying and wetting his bed, that he thinks the pac 10 is as a good as a conference as the SEC. I just keep shutting him down with all these stats and #'s, he has no idea what to do. that he comes up with his, well the pac 10 plays these teams in their OOC schedule. boo hoo hoo!!!! Each team in the SEC plays at least 4 bowl teams in their schedule. than he cries and tells his mommy that the SOS for the pac-10 is the toughest. ok, thats really special, because since everybody on this earth and mars knows the pac10 is so weak, thats why they have to schedule a tough SOS and possibly put people in the stands. you ever see a pac 10 game??? i bet they pay people just to sit in the stands.

AVG attendence for a SEC game----71,000
AVG attendence for a PAC 10 game----51,000

hahahahahha

thats the funniest stat of yet

i'll post the same stats i have here, because obviously scott doesn't know how to read...

---in 2003, 6 SEC teams were ranked in the BCS top 25 in Schedule Strength

----for the 23rd straight season, the SEC recorded the largest total of attendence figures out of any conference

----39% of the SEC Conference games were decided by 10 pts or less

----The SEC and Big 12 have won more national championships than any other conference since 1992

----The SEC was tied with the ACC in most bowl victories last year with 5

-----during the last 7 seasons, the SEC has sent 53 teams to post season bowls, the most out of any conference. 11 of the 12 SEC teams have been to bowl games, the last 7 years.

----the SEC has had at least 4 teams ranked in the top 25 since 1989.

---for the 23rd straight season, the SEC recorded the largest attendence figure of any conference in the nation. In 2003, a total of 6,307,214, attended 85 home games, a average of 74,203 a game, also that average is tops in the nation. Of the 85 home games, 50% of them were sell outs.

----- in games decided by 1-5 pts, the SEC had 12 games, while the Pac 10 had 5. Now thats competitive!!!!!

----The schools that comprimise the SEC have appereared in a recored 331 bowl games compared to a lowly 199 Pac-10

----The SEC has had multiple teams in the BCS rankings 32 out of 37 in the last 5 seasons

----Every team in the SEC at least plays 4 teams that went to a bowl game in 2003

-----Combined, SEC teams have posted 80 shutouts since 1992,tops in the nation

-----*****this is the kicker, according to NCCA.com, 6 teams in the SEC conference ranked in the top 20 in strength of schedule....wow scott

----- since 1992, the SEC has had 4 different teams win the national championiship, most in the nation


----5 different teams have won the SEC championship in the last 6 years.

 

[Avalanche]

Great Scott, you are coming in right in line. Go ahead and pump up the 3-game OOC schedule for these Pac 10 teams.....

THEN....

We will shift the focus to the conference schedule of the Pac 10 vs SEC. Start doing your homework and try to cling to SOMETHING when we do this comparison.

Scott, I also asked you what you thought of kdogg21's numbers talking about how dominant the SEC is. You have no response to this other than to say "what is your point?" How can you miss the point? Where is your Pac 10 stat sheet with similar numbers? Did you forget that? Show us a Pac 10 equivalant of what kdogg21's #s are for the SEC.

 

[Scott4USC]

Kdogg21
I am confused to what you were trying to prove with your post and data? I already think that the SEC is a great conference and I am a fan of the SEC. I enjoy watching the "elite" teams in the SEC play and felt the SEC was the 2nd strongest conference last season behind the ACC. I also agree that the SEC has the most passionate fans and great gameday atmosphere. I am just confused to what you were trying to prove? This thread just just about the Pac 10 OOC vs SEC OOC. I guess you have a poor reading comprehension since what you posted had very little to do with what this thread was about. :topic:

Anyways, that was great info and the SEC is a great conference. Too bad it had nothing to do with this thread and I think everyone agrees the SEC is a great conference. Although SEC was not the #1 conference last year. The ACC was IMO. So try and use that thing between your ears and post something productive related to the material. If you want to argue the SEC being better than the Pac 10 last year, then your data is sufficient! But I already agree the SEC was better than the Pac 10 last year!!! You look foolish.

Geez, I leave for vacation in 30min. and already I have 2 replies off topic.:topic: Looks like I did a really good job with my post!!!!! :clap:

I look for 2 things posting in the off season in the college football forum. #1 good debates and #2 to be humored. I am getting humored way too much. :142lmao: Lets get some intelligent conversation going! Doesn't necessarily have to be about Pac 10 vs SEC. Try to stay on topic!!!!!

Have a wonderful 4th of July and that includes both of you Kdogg21 and CWood97!!!!!

Avalanche

Try and compare #1 SOS from Pac 10 vs the #1 SOS SEC next season. #2 vs #2. I wonder what that would look like! Have a good weekend!

 

[Master Capper]

Another worthless commentary by Scott trying to justify his belief that the 4th best conf (possibly 5th) is better than the Big Boy's Leagues like the Big 12, Big 10 and SEC! I laughed when I saw his bold type on "tough games" yet he failed to bolden 3 teams on the SEC schedules that were bowl teams last year! When I use his same method I come up with 10 games a piece for both leagues using Scott's toughness scale! Whoops my bad, actually it's 10 for the SEC and 9 for the Pac 10 since he had Notre Dame highlighted twice.

 

[Kdogg21]

your right master capper!!! all sissy girl scott can do is whine 'whats your point' or 'it has nothing do do with this thread.' scott is probably going with mommy and daddy to kiddieland. hahahaha.

 

[bbk]

Exactly Kdogg and Capper; this guy has no idea what the word handicapping is. He talks about handicapping games before they come out. Are you kidding me?? The only reason people respond to his posts is because they want to refute his idiocracy. I dont have time to spend hours upon hours looking up useless information like Lucas does. I have a job. He is 27 and still trying to finish up his bachelor's degree. I am sure once he finishes his bachelor degree (when he is 30) he will have a super job making 35k a year. So he could increase his large size wages he makes on USC oke It would be different if he had any legtimacy behind him but he has none. All he does is come up with stupid useless facts and post :topic: :142lmao: :clap: all over his posts and all of sudden he thinks they are legitimate; if you really want to bother him dont reply to his posts and then he will go away; he has no life he is what we call in the real world a loser; and hopefully when the season starts and he starts cluttering peoples threads up with his drivel madjack will get rid of him for good; If I had to handicap those odds I would say 2-5 that happens. :moon: :142lmao:

 

[Master Capper]

I am sure that some of you relics to this board can recall a guy that use to post here under the name CracK Rat until he was chased from this site for being a jackass and I am wondering if Scott is Crack Rat?

 

[Avalanche]

Sure, sounds good to me Master Capper regardless if it really is him! Sounds good!

Was Crack Rat a Pac 10 lobbyist? I dont even remember him or i havent been on MJs long enough

 

[Master Capper]

Crack Rat was from California and liked both USC and Miami of Florida, he claimed to live in Laguna Seca and said he was employed as a top notch lawyer that also owned and operated adult websites! He would start threads here just to get arguments going but it eventually got to the point that I believe Jack had to ban the guy.

 

[trump tight]

I don't know if I'll regret saying this or not, but I don't think I'd like to see him banned. I don't think that he's actually done anything to warrant that as of yet. Don't get me wrong. I do get aggrivated at his logic the majority of the time, :cursin: and think that he has an inferioriority complex when it comes to conferences and teams since (whether or not there is one) the East Coast Bias is present in the media, etc. I also think that he has a hard time seeing an opposing viewpoint, :shade: and finds it impossible to stray from his own opinion, and accept that he might be wrong.

Like I said before, and it's been reittereated here on this post. He is kinda like a car wreck. If you see one - no matter how greusome, you gotta take a peak. And then. . . HOLY SCHNIKEES - DID YOU SEE THAT?!? That's where it starts. bbk said it best when he stated that if you don't like his drivel, don't respond. (I know it's hard - but that's the only way to cut his posts in half in the off season. He will not have anything to respond to.) I've fallen into his trap before, and I'm sure I'll take the bait again, but hey - until he comes out and is completely rude to someone, disrespects someone outright, berates someone for a bad capping of a game, then let him flow away.
Personally, I find him amusing. I can't really believe that he's for real, oke but - man does he come up with some arguments. :scared And the guy does put in his research. (It may be slanted in his favor at times :topic: - but he does find "data" to back up his arguments - no matter how outlandish they may be.) :142lmao:
Scott - don't get me wrong. I have told you how I feel about your style, and think that ultimately, it will get you no where - possibly kicked off of this site - but if you feel it is contributing to the purpose of the site - Fire away! :firing:

 

[wareagle]

Scotty....Memphis would beat three of your bold OOC for the pac 10(Utah, Air Force, Boise St)


You listed ark st twice...

 

[Bluemound Freak]

One game against a conference rival is as good as playing all your ooc teams at once. The worst Team in the conference puts up a better fight than the PAC-10's best ( other than USC, God only knows that they are the best team ever and we all should just stop being fans of our own team and all be for USC because they are the real definition of football! )


The SEC beats up on itself all year long by playing each other, if we wanted to make it easier on ourselves should we not schedule more OOC games? And I think the reason you have more teams that you feel are better OOC Teams playing you in the PAC-10 is they want no part of getting the SEC hammer dropped on that ass! Face it the SEC is much more of a power in football than the PAC-10. Not saying that they don't have their moments but wake up and get real.

 

[scott]

I agree, to not include memphis is ridiculous. They have one of the best running backs in the nation, and whether or not you agree with dennis dodd's early rankings, the fact that he has them at 13 says something of the team.

 

[markh]

Scott4USC has single handedly ruined this great forum. Like I said previously, I lurked here for 3 years but this last year I must say, I have barely bothered to check it out. I really hope that once August rolls around that MadJack does not allow this pro Pac-10 or pro-USC stuff to be posted as this is not a message board but a handicapping board. None of this nonsense belongs in here. If MadJack is looking for hits on this forum due to the offseason, believe it or not I think more people are put off by this message board crap. Each school has a message board and that is where this data or stats are meant to be posted, not here on a handicapping site.

MH

 

[Scott4USC]

You posters are hilarious (excluding the select few). This thread was about Pac 10 vs SEC OOC and none of you could post anything relevant to the thread. I know it must have hurt seeing the factual data thrown right into your face. As usual you posters had no material to counter argue the data in this thread and of course you could not agree with the post. God forbid.

Instead, you all maturely attacked the poster and not the information inside the post. If you agree with me, that is cool and if you disagree that is cool too but please explain why. None of you have shown me you know how to debate. You think your opinion is fact and needs no explaining. That is what humors me, plus the ignorance displayed.

Lets put these debates into a different perspective and you all can see how silly you are.. I am the prosecutor and I make my argument. I state my opinion and I explain why I have that opinion. I support it mostly with objective data. You the defense read the post and reply, NO THE SEC IS SUPERIOR. NO THE SEC IS SUPERIOR. Pac 10 SUCKS!!!! LETS NOW IGNORE THE MATERIAL AND MAKE PERSONAL ATTACKS!!!!!!

I the Prosecutor ask why is the SEC superior and the defense says?SEC JUST IS SUPERIOR! SEC HAS WON MORE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!!!! SO THERE!!!! YOU ARE A MORON!!!!!!

I the prosecutor explain why NC?s are not the best way to judge strength of a conference. It is just a small part. SEC is 12 teams not just 1 team. The defense replies, SEC IS MORE SUPERIOR!!!!! EVERYONE KNOWS SEC SMOKES THE PAC 10 SO NO NEED TO GIVE REASONS WHY!!!!! YOUR FACTUAL DATA IS IRRELEVANT!!!!! IT IS SLANTED!!!!!!

I get the biggest laugh out of this. You people are hilarious. :lol2 I do wish some intelligent poster who disagrees with me will step up and counter argue the data I present and state his own opinion and reasons why. Then I can have an intelligent debate with someone and maybe I will modify my own opinion and vice versa. So far I am basically just getting laughs out of this. Which is ok too but I rather use my brain and not my mouth laughing.

Hopefully we can bury the personal attacks and strictly talk college football. This is a college football forum and the off season. Lets have some intelligent debates. I was asked to post the Pac 10 vs SEC OOC schedule and that poster could not even comment. What a joker.

You posters who attack me are just giving me a pat on my back letting me know I did a good job in attempting to prove my point.

I am prepared to have an intelligent debate. If you agree with my opinion that is cool and if you disagree that is cool too. You can even be 50/50. I do not respect people who throw out an opinion with no support behind it and who fail to counter argue someone else?s points. That shows a lack of intelligence.

Let?s bury that hatchet. If you hate me, then simply do not open my threads. It is as easy as that. I respect anybody who can give their own opinion and support behind it. I try not to participate in the personal attacks game. If I attack someone, I attack their material in their post and explain why. All in all, why is it so hard for posters to post material relevant to the post? Why the name calling? Bashing? Makes no sense? :shrug:

 

[Scott4USC]

markh

First of all this is the off season and any material related to college football is allowed. I especially love how you criticized the current material in the forum yet you have provide zero material yourself. 2nd, talking/debating about conferences is a valid thread that belongs into the college football forum. Once again, it is the off season. MOST of the threads/debates are not pro USC that you wrongly accused. USC debates happened after the BCS title game and again that was a very valid thread. The current threads are MOSTLY about strength of conferences etc.. 3nd, when have these debates occurred during the season??? During the season you ?mostly? are posting about HANDICAPPING. Madjack knows this otherwise he would have banned me MONTHS ago. During the season last year most of my posts were related to handicapping. I do not attack people in my posts but I do attack material inside the post. I also bring up VALID information and give VALID support behind my opinion. It is unfortunate posters are threatened by it.

Lastly, next time you post try and use that thing between your ears and post something relevant to the thread. Your post was OFF TOPIC! :topic:

wareagle & scott

You both were right that I should have bold Memphis. They should be solid this year. My error. I am not an expert on all 111 1a teams and looked like Memphis slipped by me.

War Eagle, I think Memphis could beat AF (especially if Memphis is strong at stopping the run) but I am not sure Memphis could beat UTAH. Utah will be very good and are very well coached. Playing AT BOISE ST. is extremely tough. Gotta look at home/away games.

Both of you contributed to this thread and talked about the material in this thread. I appreciate that and that is what a message board is for. Now I have it burned in my head Memphis is a team too look for. However both of you did not comment in general about the SEC vs Pac 10 OOC opponents but I appreciated your contribution to the thread. Both posts were relevant unlike the other posters in this thread.

trump tight

I agreed with most of your post. I know other posters could understand the thread and failed to comment on the material. Thanks for stating your opinion and in a way defending me. I would like to hear your opinion on this thread.

Master Capper

The bold teams were based on ?my? predictions on how tough the teams were this coming season. NOT with what they did last year. My BOLD teams were very fair and I factored in HOME/AWAY games. I did make mistake in not bolding Memphis. Your post was worthless and you have showed me nothing.

Another worthless commentary by Scott trying to justify his belief that the 4th best conf (possibly 5th) is better than the Big Boy's Leagues like the Big 12, Big 10 and SEC!

What are you talking about? This thread showed the PAC 10 OOC vs SEC OOC. Are you saying the Pac 10 was the 4th best last year? All time? Last 5 years? You said I was trying to justify the Pac 10 yet you fail to explain what I was justifying. MY argument is in the last 5 years no conference has been superior to the Pac 10 and I can make strong argument the Pac 10 has been the toughest. MY ARGUMENT IS NO CONFERENCE HAS BEEN SUPERIOR! I am not talking about just last year and I am not talking about all time. Learn to read and comprehend so then you can understand my argument and not look foolish. Show me that you have some football intelligence. Avalanche is your biggest cheerleader and proclaims you are so intelligent yet you have showed me nothing.

My bad, in a thread about PAC 10 OOC vs SEC OOC "you" displayed your FOOTBALL intelligence by comparing me to some poster that used to post on madjacks.
VERY INTELLIGENT OF YOU!!!!!!!!!! Very very relevant to this thread.
The result = WORTHLESS POST!
If the RAT was a USC fan he seems ok with me except I am not big fan of Miami. Not a classy program.

:clap: Bluemound Freak :clap:

I saved your post for last because it was so off the wall, I thought it actually belonged in the OFF THE WALL FORUM! :142lmao:

One game against a conference rival is as good as playing all your ooc teams at once.

That was a stupid statement. On the flip side it sure made me laugh! :lol:

The worst Team in the conference puts up a better fight than the PAC-10's best

Are you a college football fan? Do you follow the SEC? Pac 10?

Lets take a look at the SEC last year. 3 teams tied for last place in the SEC.
VANDY, Kentucky, and Miss. St. ALL 3 teams only had 1 conference win and unfortunately it all was against each other. Lets see how many wins each school had.

*Kentucky had wins against MURRAY ST., Indiana, Ohio, and Miss. St. I AM IMPRESSED!!!!!!

*Miss. St. had wins against Memphis and Vandy. I AM VERY IMPRESSED!!!! Miss. St. only had 2 wins last season.

*Vandy did the worst of the 3 pathetic teams. They only had 2 wins all year and they were against UT-Chattanooga and Kentucky. ONCE AGAIN I AM VERY IMPRESSED!!!!!!!

How sad were these 3 teams? :flush: I wonder how many wins the best team in the Pac 10 had???? (excluding USC of course) Yep, your argument that the worst team in the SEC could put up a better fight than the best in the Pac 10. You sure convinced me!!!!!! :spotting:

Can?t believe I wasted exactly 7min. replying to your worthless post but I do like to beat my chest!!!!!!!! What you said was not very intelligent but you have the right to your opinion. Unfortunately I do not respect it especially since you gave zero reasons supporting it.

 

[markh]

Scott - Wow! You have problems. Why would I feel threatened by you? To have to say to everyone on this board over and over that we are threatened by you says it all. You are insecure and have to say it over and over to make yourself not feel threatened by anyone on this board. A young punk like you who thinks he knows football better than on anyone on here. You try to tell others who are intelligent and who is not. Funny, now that I only have a few posts you try to tell me since I have not posted much that I am not worthy of posting, yet you are the one contradicting yourself. You said numerous times in the fall that even someone with 50 or 150 posts can still contribute here. But then again only if that person supports your arguments.

Sounds to me like you are in the insecure one. You say you don't put down others but it is alright for you to respond like a child by saying to use the thing between your ears. Screw you. I played in the Pac-10 for 5 years, yes, for 5 years. Graduated 13 years ago and you think you are some self-appointed Pac-10 guy who has no regard for others on this forum. If I could have bet a game everytime you tell us how you pounded a game from years past and won big $$$ I would have 5 more cars now in my possession.

You really think you run this forum, but you don't. Last year you talked over and over about USC and brought all these endless arguments but now you are actually trying to tell us that because it is the off-season that you can post anything you want. Well, you posted much of the same crap in the fall and now in the off-season so what is different, you are the one contradicting yourself, not us. You see I could care less to copy and paste and sit by my computer like you do hours a day, as it is very evident the amount of time you have on your hands never seems to run out. Are you sure you are not employed by the AD at USC? Or do you think you are? Which would explain your constant mightier than though act. I am sure everyone on here would like to know.

So before you go shooting your mouth again, have respect for people who have done more in this world than you have at your wet under the arm pits age. Maybe you can give us all another reply with endless Icons. Boy, I wonder what you would do if you could not post an Icon with one of your replys? What would you do if you could not debate the almighty Pac-10 or USC? This coming from a huge Pac-10 backer. Oh, and spare us, I already checked your threads from the fall and you spoke about issues that had nothing to do with handicapping but had everything to do about USC. Maybe you could post them for us and contradict yourself again. Bottom line, you have ruined this forum and there are way more people on this board who feel that way than people who think you actually bring any handicapping skills to the table. Being an expert on one team does not make you a handicapper. MadJack himself can atest to that. It is how you use info, angles and stats, along with watching many teams during the season to find lines that are soft. Not telling us how you have won money so many times on one team.

MH