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Nearly 60% Won't Graduate At South Side School

44 Of 77 Students At Bradwell Elementary Did Not Pass Eighth Grade


CHICAGO (CBS) ―
<DL class="cbstv_article_images cbstv_img_border" sizset="1" sizcache="0"><DT>A startling number of children are falling through the cracks at one Chicago Public School. More than half of the kids didn't even pass the eighth grade. As CBS 2's Jim Williams reports there is fierce debate about who's to blame.<DT> </DT></DL>
It is a debate that has gone on for years in poor communities: do you blame the schools for the students' poor performance or do you blame their parents?

The mother of a one student who failed eighth grade says she got no warning her son was struggling. The school says she was notified, and other parents insist she did not do enough.

Tatianna Dennis' son, Tarrell, took his eighth grade photo complete with cap and gown, but the day before his grammar school's graduation, Tarrell learned he would not be marching down the aisle.

"I asked him why but he was so heartbroken, he couldn't really talk," said Tatianna Dennis.

Dennis says she had no idea her son was about to fail English; no written notices from Bradwell Elementary, she says, and no warning from his teacher.

Tarrell had failed English two times before, but Dennis thought he was doing better.

"They told me that he was fine. He was starting to come around and his grades were picking up," Dennis said. "They never gave me any indication that he was going downhill."

It was a disastrous year for the eighth grade at the south side Bradwell Elementary school in a tough neighborhood with high poverty. More than half the class, 44 of 77 students, did not graduate.

Loetisis Billingsley's nephew is one of those failing students.

"It's horrible because these kids were under the impression they were graduating, and they let them know at the last minute that they wasn't," Billingsley said.

The Board of Education insists the Bradwell school did everything possible to keep the students' grades up, offering extra credit and school on Saturday. And the Board says written notices did go out.

Some parents came to the defense of the school.

"You have to be in your kid's life, you have to know what's going on in their world," said parent Vanessa Ewing. "I'm up at the school. The teachers know me. I stay on them. I stay on my kids."

"It was something that child must not have been doing right in order for him to stay behind," said parent Sharon Shavers.

Tatianna Dennis' son is now in summer school. She works nights as a security guard, leaving her little time with Tarrell to supervise his homework.

"Especially now, when I need the help the most, with situations like this," Dennis said. "And there's nobody but me. But I get through it."

On an encouraging note, Dennis says her son is so upset he failed eighth grade, he is now determined to be a better student, pass his classes this summer and go on to high school.

In that south side neighborhood, another mother said she has all the cell phone numbers of her kids' teachers and she calls them all the time, and her kids are doing well in school
 

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Part of the problem

Part of the problem

is all the expended brain cells trying to remember ("boggle game produced") names...Jack, Tom, Dave is a lot easier than Tatianna Tarrell Loetisis, we had a local news story involving a murder by a very young gentleman by the name of Quinasius Jones......the poor fella probably flunked 6th grade saddled with that name...:mj07:
 

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It's horrible because these kids were under the impression they were graduating, and they let them know at the last minute that they wasn't," Billingsley said.

Very nicely put:mj07: If the parents had any command of our language, then their children may have a shot at passing 8th grade english:shrug:
 

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For should! :violin:

I have found this always interesting, and have seen it first hand. There is a distinct difference in grades, and work based on the socio-economics of the school that you are in.

I worked at a school that is considered very "weatlhy" by student population. Most students came from families where the mom or dad has their own business, were CEO's, Dr's, etc. There was a distinct push from the family that their son or daughter not only graduates, but they graduate with honor's and get the opportunity to go to the school of their choice. Nice problem to have from a choice stand point, and quality work was always done. When conferences would roll around, (divorced or not) both parents would show up for conferences. We would hold conferences for min 2.5 days, to funnel everyone in, and we needed every hour to get these accomplished. Detailed questions asked, some parenting questions always asked, how do you motivate, how do you challenge my child etc...

Flip side, I worked for a short time at a school that was around 65% poverty, high Hmong population, several gang affiliations, roughly 3% affluent student families. WHn it came to conferences, I may see 1-3 families in a one day conference setting. That's it, and those were the high achieving students. I had one parent show up (single mom) where the son and her got into a verbal spat at my desk. Mom said something along the line of why is my son such a loser, he doesn't care aout anything... followed up by the son stating, "See what kind of a B****, I have to live with. No wonder I never come home!".

Many reasons can be made for lack of achievement on the latter. Parent(s) not involved due to job, kids on their own mentality. Parent fighting life for themselves, kids are inconvenient, etc. But I will always point to the parents lack of involvement in their child's life from a very early age. Not to mention we make fun of the Laqusha's in the world... but why do the white trash parents always name their daughters like.. Heaven, Star, Destiny, Faith, Hope, Charity. Seriously, just give them a pole to start with! :shrug:

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Dogface is correct !!!

Dogface is correct !!!

1. Parent lack of involvement from an early age..READING especially..........also underachievers oftentimes enter school with little knowledge of alphabet or numbers
2.They arrive... Experience poor ...blocks, puzzles, sorting, games, language development....etc.....have not been used and developed extensively. On the flip side
My grandson entered kdg. this year reading. He, I estimate, had several thousand books read to him before entry and developed interests, questions etc. over that time. My 2 year old grandson can count to 30 matches 1 to one.
Can count a group of objects up to 10 and tell you how many...can sing ABCs etc. My son and his wife read 5+ books each night. visit libraries..PLAY etc. So do all their friends and neighbors
My wife works in a city school kdg. where the vast majority of her entering 5 year olds DO NOT know their letters, numbers and are SIGNIFICANTLY behind their more fortunate peers in more affluent communities and have not developed many of the readiness skills necessary to be successful at school.
THEN....Guess who inherits the value for education and over time the greater MOTIVATION based on their successes....THE ACHIEVEMENT GAP tends to get wider for obvious reasons.
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Here's an interesting education study. You can compare any states you choose. I randomly chose Illinois and Kentucky.

Seems that Kentucky has a bit of work to do in every category compared to Illinois.






STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES PREPARATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School Credential Math Course Taking (grades 9-12) Science Course Taking Algebra in 8th Grade Math Course Taking (grade 12) Math Proficiency Reading Proficiency Science Proficiency Writing Proficiency Math Proficiency Among Low Income College Entrance Exams Advanced Placement Exams
Illinois (2002) B+ 89% 87% n/a n/a n/a n/a 27% n/a 30% n/a 12% 218 125
Kentucky (2002) C- 72% 86% 53% 29% 12% n/a 21% 29% 29% 21% 8% 137 69

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES PARTICIPATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School to College Rate Young Adult Enrollment Working-age Adult Enrollment
Illinois (2002) A 97% 48% 33% 4.9%
Kentucky (2002) C- 70% 37% 33% 2.8%

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES AFFORDABILITY
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Family Ability to Pay at Community Colleges Family Ability to Pay at Public 4-year Colleges Family Ability to Pay at Private 4-year Colleges Need-Based Financial Aid Low Priced Colleges Student Borrowing
Illinois (2002) B% 85% 19% 23% 51% 132% 12% $3,379
Kentucky (2002) C% 74% 17% 19% 40% 37% 13% $2,987

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES COMPLETION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Students Returning at 2-Year Colleges Students Returning at 4-Year Colleges Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 5 years) Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 6 years) All Degree Completion
Illinois (2002) B-% 80% 52% 76% 53% 55% 16
Kentucky (2002) C% 73% 51% 71% 43% 38% 15

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES BENEFITS
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Adults with Bachelor's Degree or Higher Increased Income for Education (Bachelor) Increased Income for Education (AA degree) Population Voting Charitable Contributions Quantitative Literacy Prose Literacy Document Literacy

Illinois (2002) B- 81% 28% 9% 2% 51% 89% 24% 22% 20%
Kentucky (2002) C- 72% 22% 7% 3% 50% 85% n/a n/a n/a

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES PREPARATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School Credential Math Course Taking (grades 9-12) Science Course Taking Algebra in 8th Grade Math Course Taking (grade 12) Math Proficiency Among Low Income Reading Proficiency Science Proficiency Writing Proficiency Math Proficiency Among Low Income College Entrance Exams Advanced Placement Exams
Illinois (2002) B+ 89 93 85 85 85 85 79 85 71 85 57 109 64
Kentucky (2002) C- 72 92 93 74 40 69 62 76 69 68 38 69 35

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES PARTICIPATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School to College Rate Young Adult Enrollment Adult Enrollment
Illinois (2002) A 97 90 79 92
Kentucky (2002) C- 70 68 79 52

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES AFFORDABILITY
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Family Ability to Pay at Community Colleges
Family Ability to Pay at Public 4-year Colleges Family Ability to Pay at Private 4-year Colleges Need-Based Financial Aid Low Priced Colleges Student Borrowing
Illinois (2002) B 85 88 76 63 123 70 87
Kentucky (2002) C 74 95 92 80 34 62 98

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES COMPLETION
STATE NAME Grade
Category Score Students Returning at 2-Year Colleges Students Returning at 4-Year Colleges Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 5 years) Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 6 years) All Degree Completion
Illinois (2002) B- 80 82 92 81 89 75
Kentucky (2002) C 73 82 85 66 62 73

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES BENEFITS
STATE NAME Grade
Category Score Adults with Bachelor's Degree or Higher Increased Income for Education (Bachelor) Increased Income for Education (AA degree) Population Voting Charitable Contributions Quantitative Literacy Prose Literacy Document Literacy

Illinois (2002) B- 81 80 73 56 85 96 84 80 76
Kentucky (2002) C- 72 62 54 74 83 93 70 70 70

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.
 

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The real tragedy of this story that has been missed is that they have a cap & gown for 8th grade "graduation". What in the FUCK is that!!!

Kindergarten graduation. First grade graduation.

It's not a FUCKING graduation you fucking mediocrity-celebrating mother FUCKERS!

I'm so sick of this shit where kids can't be exposed to failure because we may injure their psyche. Well, guess what you clueless fucks: Without failure, how will you ever know success?

kosar - on another note, was there a point in "randomly" choosing KY and IL based on this story? Is there a connection?
 

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The real tragedy of this story that has been missed is that they have a cap & gown for 8th grade "graduation". What in the FUCK is that!!!

Kindergarten graduation. First grade graduation.

It's not a FUCKING graduation you fucking mediocrity-celebrating mother FUCKERS!

I'm so sick of this shit where kids can't be exposed to failure because we may injure their psyche. Well, guess what you clueless fucks: Without failure, how will you ever know success?

kosar - on another note, was there a point in "randomly" choosing KY and IL based on this story? Is there a connection?

:142smilie
 

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The real tragedy of this story that has been missed is that they have a cap & gown for 8th grade "graduation". What in the FUCK is that!!!

Angry much? :mj07: :mj07:
It is a graduation if you are ... graduating... on to another school. At least in my neck-o-the-woods kids change schools from 8th to 9th grades. I thought it was neat to do all that stuff as a way to celebrate the years you spent working hard with the same set of kids, many of whom you wouldn't see again. I think there is room for both learning and sentimentality :cool:
 

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Wow, what a monster news story.:rolleyes: As long as it makes Wayne feel better about himself. What a sad existence.
 

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The real tragedy of this story that has been missed is that they have a cap & gown for 8th grade "graduation". What in the FUCK is that!!!

Kindergarten graduation. First grade graduation.

It's not a FUCKING graduation you fucking mediocrity-celebrating mother FUCKERS!

I'm so sick of this shit where kids can't be exposed to failure because we may injure their psyche. Well, guess what you clueless fucks: Without failure, how will you ever know success?

kosar - on another note, was there a point in "randomly" choosing KY and IL based on this story? Is there a connection?

Bravo!!!!!

On another note years ago my niece was in the first grade in Massachusetts and they wanted to hold her back. But her mother was moving to New Hampshire. New Hampshire said she was at a 3rd grade level. No point just interesting.
 

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I would lay all the blame on the parents for not taking the time to do right by there child.


Son came to live with me when he was entering the 4th grade. His mother is an idiot and he was getting failing grades. She couldnt figure out why. Layed down the law to him when he got here and told him what was expected. He tested it once by getting failing grades halfway thru a quarter. He then had to study 1 hr a day (7 days a week) till the next quarter finished. His grades went up and never went back down. Graduated H.S. on the honor roll 3 years ago.

Same problem with wifes son. His dad was more worried about being his friend than his parent. He was failing his classes also. So wife had him move here and he was given the same set of rules as my son. Graduated H. S. 4 years ago also on the honor roll.
 

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Here's an interesting education study. You can compare any states you choose. I randomly chose Illinois and Kentucky.

Seems that Kentucky has a bit of work to do in every category compared to Illinois.






STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES PREPARATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School Credential Math Course Taking (grades 9-12) Science Course Taking Algebra in 8th Grade Math Course Taking (grade 12) Math Proficiency Reading Proficiency Science Proficiency Writing Proficiency Math Proficiency Among Low Income College Entrance Exams Advanced Placement Exams
Illinois (2002) B+ 89% 87% n/a n/a n/a n/a 27% n/a 30% n/a 12% 218 125
Kentucky (2002) C- 72% 86% 53% 29% 12% n/a 21% 29% 29% 21% 8% 137 69

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES PARTICIPATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School to College Rate Young Adult Enrollment Working-age Adult Enrollment
Illinois (2002) A 97% 48% 33% 4.9%
Kentucky (2002) C- 70% 37% 33% 2.8%

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES AFFORDABILITY
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Family Ability to Pay at Community Colleges Family Ability to Pay at Public 4-year Colleges Family Ability to Pay at Private 4-year Colleges Need-Based Financial Aid Low Priced Colleges Student Borrowing
Illinois (2002) B% 85% 19% 23% 51% 132% 12% $3,379
Kentucky (2002) C% 74% 17% 19% 40% 37% 13% $2,987

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES COMPLETION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Students Returning at 2-Year Colleges Students Returning at 4-Year Colleges Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 5 years) Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 6 years) All Degree Completion
Illinois (2002) B-% 80% 52% 76% 53% 55% 16
Kentucky (2002) C% 73% 51% 71% 43% 38% 15

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES BENEFITS
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Adults with Bachelor's Degree or Higher Increased Income for Education (Bachelor) Increased Income for Education (AA degree) Population Voting Charitable Contributions Quantitative Literacy Prose Literacy Document Literacy

Illinois (2002) B- 81% 28% 9% 2% 51% 89% 24% 22% 20%
Kentucky (2002) C- 72% 22% 7% 3% 50% 85% n/a n/a n/a

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES PREPARATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School Credential Math Course Taking (grades 9-12) Science Course Taking Algebra in 8th Grade Math Course Taking (grade 12) Math Proficiency Among Low Income Reading Proficiency Science Proficiency Writing Proficiency Math Proficiency Among Low Income College Entrance Exams Advanced Placement Exams
Illinois (2002) B+ 89 93 85 85 85 85 79 85 71 85 57 109 64
Kentucky (2002) C- 72 92 93 74 40 69 62 76 69 68 38 69 35

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES PARTICIPATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School to College Rate Young Adult Enrollment Adult Enrollment
Illinois (2002) A 97 90 79 92
Kentucky (2002) C- 70 68 79 52

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES AFFORDABILITY
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Family Ability to Pay at Community Colleges
Family Ability to Pay at Public 4-year Colleges Family Ability to Pay at Private 4-year Colleges Need-Based Financial Aid Low Priced Colleges Student Borrowing
Illinois (2002) B 85 88 76 63 123 70 87
Kentucky (2002) C 74 95 92 80 34 62 98

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES COMPLETION
STATE NAME Grade
Category Score Students Returning at 2-Year Colleges Students Returning at 4-Year Colleges Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 5 years) Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 6 years) All Degree Completion
Illinois (2002) B- 80 82 92 81 89 75
Kentucky (2002) C 73 82 85 66 62 73

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES BENEFITS
STATE NAME Grade
Category Score Adults with Bachelor's Degree or Higher Increased Income for Education (Bachelor) Increased Income for Education (AA degree) Population Voting Charitable Contributions Quantitative Literacy Prose Literacy Document Literacy

Illinois (2002) B- 81 80 73 56 85 96 84 80 76
Kentucky (2002) C- 72 62 54 74 83 93 70 70 70

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.

Believe the scores were Chicago scores and relevent of one area in particular--

If you made note of most coments you'll see most agree on cause-lack of parenting--

Believe you will find correlation of lack of fathers day and failures U.S. wide

If you really want to search out something--find us any area in U.S. with greater failing rate than this area

--after all this was Gumby's geographical area of guidence and he's wanting to spend a wad on education--doesn't look like his project would serve as model does it--Wonder if he'll use it as example of his expertise when pushing education bill :)

My advice --you can spend all you want--but if you got 70% + illegitimacy rate
he'll achieve same results Chicago is experiencing

--and what say you:0corn
 
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Believe the scores were Chicago scores and relevent of one area in particular--

If you made note of most coments you'll see most agree on cause-lack of parenting--

Believe you will find correlation of lack of fathers day and failures U.S. wide

If you really want to search out something--find us any area in U.S. with greater failing rate than this area

--after all this was Gumby's geographical area of guidence and he's wanting to spend a wad on education--doesn't look like his project would serve as model does it--Wonder if he'll use it as example of his expertise when pushing education bill :)

My advice --you can spend all you want--but if you got 70% + illegitimacy rate
he'll achieve same results Chicago is experiencing

--and what say you:0corn

What say me about what?

I guess I say that apparently Kentucky has a pretty big problem with fathers taking off and with illegitimate denizens, compared to Illinois.

While this one Chicago schools graduation rate is atrocious, it doesn't seem to be a statewide affliction, like Kentucky is apparently suffering.
 

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Angry much? :mj07: :mj07:
It is a graduation if you are ... graduating... on to another school. At least in my neck-o-the-woods kids change schools from 8th to 9th grades. I thought it was neat to do all that stuff as a way to celebrate the years you spent working hard with the same set of kids, many of whom you wouldn't see again. I think there is room for both learning and sentimentality :cool:

Not too often. But I have my rants. :)

I'm pretty sentimental, but there are certain things that should be kept where they are. We had 8th grade "graduation", but the cap & gown and all the ceremony on & on is a load of crap.... unless your the salesman who first convinced schools/parents they needed to buy a cap & gown for pre-k graduation, kindergarten graduation, 6th grade graduation, 8th grade gradution, then maybe you're kid is one of the 40% to really EARN a cap & gown after high school. ;)
 

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I wonder how many people in this thread had two parents growing up where one went to work and the other stayed at home with the kids? Thank our great politicians and their one sided trade deals(not in the countries favor)for causing both parent to have to go out and work. I don't know what it is like to only have one parent or not have a nice home cooked meal waiting for me when i got home from school.
 

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Very nicely put:mj07: If the parents had any command of our language, then their children may have a shot at passing 8th grade english:shrug:

Or their grandparents.............or great grandparents.

I recall reading somewhere a bit ago where a momma was upset that no one was pronouncing her daughter La - sha's name right. They kept calling her Lasha, not ladasha LOL !
 
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