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For starters it works the other way around God finds you(predestination,some would argue this but thats a diff. topic.)To answer your question it wouldn't be up to me ,that would be up to God to accept his forgivness.Having said that,if he truly meant it and his heart was in the right place then yes I think God would,but only God knows the condition of his heart.
Interesting that both you and Buddy speak so freely for God, but neither of you will say what YOU think. I wonder why that is.

"Even the vilest offender
who truly believes
that moment
from Jesus
a pardon receives"


As rational adults, we ALL know the consequences of our actions and I find it utterly repugnant that my creator would "pardon" the vilest offenses imaginable simply because the offender believes in the same creator.
 

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Interesting that both you and Buddy speak so freely for God, but neither of you will say what YOU think. I wonder why that is.

"Even the vilest offender
who truly believes
that moment
from Jesus
a pardon receives"


As rational adults, we ALL know the consequences of our actions and I find it utterly repugnant that my creator would "pardon" the vilest offenses imaginable simply because the offender believes in the same creator.

Granted, as rational adults, we all realize the consequences of our actions. However, as contrary or objectionable as forgiveness seems, until you have a subjective experience with Jesus Christ, chances are you will never understand how something this evil can be reconciled. It is beyond our comprehension.

We are mortal and He is divine.

Revelation 1:18 ~ "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."
 

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Well then, I'll ask you a similar question, Buddy...

Would YOU accept the pardoning of a man, by your creator, who brutally murdered your family, simply because he professed his faith in your creator?

I don't believe that most people, regardless of their belief system, would.

The easy answer would be for me to say "Yes, I would accept the pardoning of a man by my creator, who brutally murdered my family.

The truthful answer would be that my mind would have to undergo a complete catharsis in order to purge the emotions brought about by such an evil act. For me, that would take a long, long time. I'm not even sure I would be able. Even if I could forgive, how could I ever forget? But I know in my own evil, wretched, filthy life that Jesus has forgiven me of my sin. And in a spiritual sense, that's alll that really matters. Have those I wronged forgiven me? Probably not.
 

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Today, 13 years later, I am a hospice chaplain. I visit people who are dying ? in their homes, in hospitals, in nursing homes. And if you were to ask me the same question - What do people who are sick and dying talk about with the chaplain? ? I, without hesitation or uncertainty, would give you the same answer. Mostly, they talk about their families: about their mothers and fathers, their sons and daughters.

They talk about the love they felt, and the love they gave. Often they talk about love they did not receive, or the love they did not know how to offer, the love they withheld, or maybe never felt for the ones they should have loved unconditionally.

They talk about how they learned what love is, and what it is not. And sometimes, when they are actively dying, fluid gurgling in their throats, they reach their hands out to things I cannot see and they call out to their parents: Mama, Daddy, Mother.

What I did not understand when I was a student then, and what I would explain to that professor now, is that people talk to the chaplain about their families because that is how we talk about God. That is how we talk about the meaning of our lives. That is how we talk about the big spiritual questions of human existence.

We don't live our lives in our heads, in theology and theories. We live our lives in our families: the families we are born into, the families we create, the families we make through the people we choose as friends.

This is where we create our lives, this is where we find meaning, this is where our purpose becomes clear.

Family is where we first experience love and where we first give it. It's probably the first place we've been hurt by someone we love, and hopefully the place we learn that love can overcome even the most painful rejection.

This crucible of love is where we start to ask those big spiritual questions, and ultimately where they end.

I have seen such expressions of love: A husband gently washing his wife's face with a cool washcloth, cupping the back of her bald head in his hand to get to the nape of her neck, because she is too weak to lift it from the pillow. A daughter spooning pudding into the mouth of her mother, a woman who has not recognized her for years.

A wife arranging the pillow under the head of her husband's no-longer-breathing body as she helps the undertaker lift him onto the waiting stretcher.

We don't learn the meaning of our lives by discussing it. It's not to be found in books or lecture halls or even churches or synagogues or mosques. It's discovered through these actions of love.

If God is love, and we believe that to be true, then we learn about God when we learn about love. The first, and usually the last, classroom of love is the family.

Sometimes that love is not only imperfect, it seems to be missing entirely. Monstrous things can happen in families. Too often, more often than I want to believe possible, patients tell me what it feels like when the person you love beats you or rapes you. They tell me what it feels like to know that you are utterly unwanted by your parents. They tell me what it feels like to be the target of someone's rage. They tell me what it feels like to know that you abandoned your children, or that your drinking destroyed your family, or that you failed to care for those who needed you.

Even in these cases, I am amazed at the strength of the human soul. People who did not know love in their families know that they should have been loved. They somehow know what was missing, and what they deserved as children and adults.

When the love is imperfect, or a family is destructive, something else can be learned: forgiveness. The spiritual work of being human is learning how to love and how to forgive.

We don?t have to use words of theology to talk about God; people who are close to death almost never do. We should learn from those who are dying that the best way to teach our children about God is by loving each other wholly and forgiving each other fully - just as each of us longs to be loved and forgiven by our mothers and fathers, sons and daughters.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Kerry E.
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Explain it to me: John 3:16

? When quarterback Tim Tebow threw an 80-yard touchdown pass Sunday to secure an overtime victory for his Denver Broncos over the heavily favored Pittsburgh Steelers, some saw a biblical connection.

The completion gave Tebow, an outspoken evangelical Christian whose penchant for last-minute heroics have given him a reputation as a miracle worker, 316 passing yards for the game. His ten completions averaged 31.6 yards a piece.

Those figures inspired plenty of conversation and debate about a connection some saw to one of the most famous verses in the Bible, John 3:16.

The New Testament verse is held up by Christians around the globe because it neatly summarizes some key points of Christianity: ?For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whosoever believes in him would not perish but have eternal life." (NIV)

In the third chapter in the Gospel of John, Jesus is having a late night discussion with a Pharisee, one of the Jewish teachers of the law, named Nicodemus. The chapter is also where the expression "born again" originates.

Jesus tells Nicodemus: "...no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again." In his longer explanation of that idea, Jesus gets to the core of his message in verse 3:16.

The verse is popular with Christians looking to share their faith because it's short and information-packed: God loves humankind, man has sinned and is destined for eternal punishment, but eternal live awaits all who believe in God's son, Jesus.

During last year's Super Bowl, the Fixed Point Foundation, which promotes Christianity in the public square, tried to buy an advertisement pushing people to a website to learn about John 3:16 but the ad was was rejected.

The spot showed people watching a football game noticing the phrase John 3:16 on a player's eye black - a sticker or grease that players wear under the eyes to reduce glare from the sun. A man in the ad says he's going to look up the verse, while the ad directed viewers to www.lookup316.com.

At the time, Fixed Point Executive Director Larry Taunton told CNN that Fox Sports said it rejected his commercial because it contained "religious doctrine," though Taunton said the ad avoided featuring the actual words of the verse.

?Increasingly religion and Christianity is treated like smoking ? you can do it but only in designated areas,? Taunton said. ?They were saying there?s no place for (faith) in the public square. There?s a place for the soft core porn of Go-Daddy, violent movie trailers, and irresponsible drinking, but not for faith."

As a workaround, the Fixed Point Foundation ran its ad on Fox stations locally in Birmingham, Alabama and Washington, DC during the Super Bowl.

Tebow wore Bible verses on his eye black when he quarterbacked the Florida Gators in college. In the 2009 BCS championship game, he wrote John 3:16 on his eye black. After he left college football for the NFL in 2010, the NCAA banned players from writing on their eye black, which some have called the "Tebow rule."

John 3:16 came into the pop culture view in the late 1970s and early 1980s at sporting events, when a man named Rollen Stewart would don a rainbow colored afro wig and a John 3:16 T-shirt. He was especially good at getting himself in front of the cameras at sporting and big cultural events, including the royal wedding of Prince Charles and Lady Diana.

Stewart grew increasingly fanatical about his crusade. In 1992 he took a maid hostage with a loaded gun at a Los Angeles hotel, demanding a national press conference to proclaim his new message that the end of the world was near.

He plastered John 3:16 on hotel windows. CNN reported at the time that it took a SWAT team nine hours to free the woman.

At his sentencing hearing Stewart had to be removed from court when he would not let the judge speak. As deputies were dragging him out of the courtroom he screamed, "Don't take me out, I said. God sends love to the world. Forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they're doing. They know not what they're doing, Lord."

That last phrase is also biblical, attributed to Jesus while he was praying for his executioners as he hung on the cross.

Stewart was convicted and sent to prison in 1993 on three counts of hostage taking and is currently serving three life sentences at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione, California.

Despite Stewart's story, many sports fans continue the tradition of evangelizing at sports games by holding up John 3:16 on placards.
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Quit changing the made up rules and judging what is in other people's "hearts".

whn,the statement i made was to explain that GOD truly knows ur heart condition.It wasn't meant to sd. like I knew or know someone elses heart condition,just to clarify.
 

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?Increasingly religion and Christianity is treated like smoking ? you can do it but only in designated areas,? ...........................

Kinda like farting.

You can do it.

But those subjected to it may complain about the stench.

Better to do it in private.
 

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Kinda like farting.

You can do it.

But those subjected to it may complain about the stench.

Better to do it in private.

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Duff

are politics and religion the only subjects that get you riled up or what ?:popcorn2
 

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I do not attend church, I don't really believe in God for my own reasons but I believe something created all this?

If nobody told me about religion or god then the thought would have never crossed my mind growing up! But I did get confirmed and as a child I did believe but as I got older to me the bible has a lot of events that do not make sense and defies logic. If you would of first told me about the events in the bible as an adult, I would roll on the floor laughing! My sister is religious and my nephews are being brain washed and I hope that someday they come to their own conclusions weather they believe or dont believe but I hope it is their decision! Pumping this into children is brain washing them.

On the other hand I think churches are needed because they do much more fir the community than just teach religion. Church can help many people mentally and physically.
 
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