a beautiful photo....in honor of dtb,neverteasit and the other vets on the board...

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Sponge you so full of b.s. it isnt even funny. 1/2 don't know who the vice president. Thats f'n joke. First off he is in their chain of command and second off when these soldiers go through basic this is drilled into there head nearly everyday. They are constantly asked to give their chain of command from the president down to the unit commander. So to say they don't know who Cheney is, is just a flat out lie.

U try to make it out like the military recruits and has nothing but the feeble minded and non educated citizens of this country. Nearly all u have posted in this thread is complete B.S. or just plain stupid, you decide. I am done wasting my time with one who is so clueless it isnt even funny. But you keep on with the perception u have, its show the capacity of what this country has to look forward to in the future.
 

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lard jaysus....i had no idea that a fricking picture would cause such a shitstorm....

first off...apologies to marine for not mentioning him at the top of the thread along with teaseit and dtb........

an unforgivable omission...my bad...corrected as soon as i`m through....

smurph...my only representation in the thread was regarding the picture....everyone can make their own value judgement on the other content contained in that site....

spongy...it was a picture....harmless...i`m a little shocked that it offended even your sensibilities that someone would give some props to our brave men.....those that are responsible for everything we have and hold dear...without them,it`s all crap...

last time i checked,our soldiers don`t make policy...they just do the wet work...

you (and smurph...how disappointing) had to politicize it...

you guys need stop acting like five year olds that just dropped their corndogs in the dirt at the county fair......

why you on my case, bud? You brought up that it wasn't political - but when i loaded the page (from a dialup at the time) all i could see for the first 15 seconds was an anti-hillary ad. i wasn't thinking any kind of politics til then. ....BUT THEN AGAIN THIS FORUM IS CALLED "POLITICS AND RELIGION" - SO WTF DO YOU EXPECT?

2nd - why do you continue to not thank kosar for his service? ...and djv as well.

Stop giving your photo all this credit. It's just a picture - which based on the website it's from - is being used politically. I was having a great conversation with DTB and NTI about troop levels. Your welcome to contribute if you like.
 
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why you on my case, bud? You brought up that it wasn't political - but when i loaded the page (from a dialup at the time) all i could see for the first 15 seconds was an anti-hillary ad. i wasn't thinking any kind of politics til then. ....BUT THEN AGAIN THIS FORUM IS CALLED "POLITICS AND RELIGION" - SO WTF DO YOU EXPECT?

2nd - why do you continue to not thank kosar for his service? ...and djv as well.

Stop giving your photo all this credit. It's just a picture - which based on the website it's from - is being used politically. I was having a great conversation with DTB and NTI about troop levels. Your welcome to contribute if you like.
smurph i thought you and teases dialouge was fine. Mine was offensive i know. You have to excuse Weasal sometimes. This is why he rarely answers peoples questions. He is like a robot and the rightwing points him in the direction they want him to follow. He just marches to what he is told. He only reads about a half of a paragraph in each post.
That is why he doesn't learn anything you try to explain to him.

I got your back Weasal don't you worry.
 

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Sponge you so full of b.s. it isnt even funny. 1/2 don't know who the vice president. Thats f'n joke. First off he is in their chain of command and second off when these soldiers go through basic this is drilled into there head nearly everyday. They are constantly asked to give their chain of command from the president down to the unit commander. So to say they don't know who Cheney is, is just a flat out lie.

U try to make it out like the military recruits and has nothing but the feeble minded and non educated citizens of this country. Nearly all u have posted in this thread is complete B.S. or just plain stupid, you decide. I am done wasting my time with one who is so clueless it isnt even funny. But you keep on with the perception u have, its show the capacity of what this country has to look forward to in the future.

Jesus tease the vice president comment was a sarcastic joke.. Were do you get i think military people have feeble minds? Look i have family in the military and i just sold my business which had a lot of military stop in. Just because you were in the military doesn'yt mean you know everything. What i was saying is that a 21 yearold kid is not someone that would be the best person i would want to exxplain to me this war. This subject may be to touchy for me to be having said sarcastic comments like the Vice president quote. Im not just saying the military but in real life a lot of people(kids) not in the military don't know who the vice president is. Young people who don't care about anything but silly shit like xbox or whatever that thing is called. Look i don't want to fight with you guys but when you say shit like im bullshitting im being challenge and i will speak up. All the kids i know who have recently went into the military were average to above average kids. Some were even pretty bright.
 

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Please divulge were this HUGE base and name of it, is supposedly being built. Right off the Tigris is broad. What Town? And were u got this info from?

This isnt the article i wanted but it is pretty close. The article i looked for i couldn't find. i worded it fifty ways but the search engine never picked it up. Here is another one tho.

Biggest Base in Iraq Has Small-Town Feel
Most Troops at Balad Never Meet Iraqis

By Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, February 4, 2006; A14



BALAD, Iraq -- Staff Sgt. Chad Twigg is on a one-year tour of duty in the middle of the Sunni Triangle. But on a recent winter morning, he wasn't digging a foxhole or tracking an enemy sniper or trying to grab some sleep between firefights.

Instead, the Army mechanic was checking out iPod accessories in one of the two post exchanges here at the biggest American base in Iraq. He worries about the lure of the PX, with its walls of shiny electronic devices and racks of new CDs. "I try to stay away from it to save money," Twigg said. But on average, 15 soldiers a day succumb and buy a television, said John Burk, the PX manager.

Balad Air Base is a unique creation, a small American town smack in the middle of the most hostile part of Iraq. While soldiers drive as fast as they can beyond its perimeter to avoid roadside bombs and ambushes, on base they must drive their Humvees at a stately 10 mph, the strictly enforced speed limit.

The 20,000 troops based at Balad, home to the major Air Force operation in Iraq and also the biggest Army logistical support center in the country, live in air-conditioned containers. Plans are being made to wire the metal boxes to bring the troops Internet, cable television and overseas telephone access.

Balad is scheduled to be one of the last four U.S. bases in Iraq and probably will be the very last, officials say. "Balad will be here, I believe, to the very end," said Brig. Gen. Frank Gorenc, the Slovenian-born F-15 pilot who commands the Air Force side of the operation.

Like most towns, Balad has distinct neighborhoods. The southwest part, home to thousands of civilian contractors, is "KBR-land," a reference to the construction company. "CJSOTF," for Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force, is home to a special operations unit and is hidden by especially high walls. Visitors aren't welcome there, and the Army public affairs chief on the base said he'd never been inside.

Next door to CJSOTF is the junkyard, one of the places where war comes closest -- it contains dozens of Army Humvees wrecked by bombs or rollovers. The other place where the war intrudes is the busy base hospital, where doctors perform 400 surgeries a month on the wounded.

The base boasts its own airline, "Catfish Air," that shuttles soldiers among the U.S. bases in Iraq. It also has its own customs post, run by a relaxed but savvy group of Navy reservists.

Searching for drugs, pornography and souvenir weapons, they have learned the favorite places that departing Army troops use to hide contraband -- Bibles, picture frames, soap dishes and the sleeves in body armor vests that hold the bulletproof plates. Army engineers undergo especially close inspections because "they think they know where to hide everything," sometimes building false bottoms in toolboxes and containers, said Petty Officer 1st Class Steven Honer.

Offenders simply suffer confiscation, but the base does have a genuine criminal element: Recently an Army enlisted man returning from medical leave went AWOL, living with a cousin in the Air Force part of the base for two weeks before being apprehended and placed in the base's small brig.

Of the 20,000 troops at Balad, only several hundred have jobs that take them off base. Most Americans posted here never interact with an Iraqi, and some never see one, said Army Lt. Col. Larry Dotson, who is effectively the city manager. The closest some troops here come to experiencing the Iraq seen on the evening news is the miniature golf course, which mimics a battlefield with its baby sandbags, little Jersey barriers, strands of concertina wire and, down at the end of the course, what appears to be a tiny detainee cage.

The town's most distinctive feature is the long runway that bisects it. Air Force officials say it is now one of the world's busiest. "We are behind only Heathrow right now," said Gorenc, the Air Force commander.

As a Black Hawk helicopter was landing recently, an unmanned Predator drone was taking off, two Hellfire missiles slung under its wings. Next to land was an Army RC-12 Guardrail, a sensor-laden aircraft bristling with antennae. It was followed in quick succession by an F-16 fighter, a C-130 propeller-driven cargo plane and a C-17 cargo jet that taxied near a sagging Russian IL-76 freighter plane with a bulging glass nose like a World War II bomber's.

More than 250 aircraft are based here -- 188 helicopters and 70 fixed-wing aircraft, including relatively obscure ones such as the Guardrail and the Army National Guard's C-23 Sherpa, which resembles a small flying boxcar. One of the challenges for air controllers is juggling the wide range of airspeeds of incoming aircraft, with five to 15 stacked up in the skies at a time. Having a Predator, with its lawnmower-like engine, flying near an F-16 jet is "like putting a VW bus on a NASCAR racetrack," said Capt. Brian Chandler, the chief of airfield operations.

Pilots find flying into the base a sporting challenge. "It's like putting Chicago-O'Hare right in the middle of Iraq," said Air Force Lt. Col. Tate Johnson, a C-130 pilot who flies here frequently. "It's a very complex air picture."

Another C-130 pilot, Lt. Col. Jim Barlow, said Balad reminded him more of Atlanta's airport. "But," he added, "in Atlanta, there's no one shooting at you."

That overstates the danger a bit. While the base still gets hit occasionally by mortar shells and rocket-propelled grenades, it hasn't had a soldier killed in action for two years.

These days the most dangerous spot on the base might be one of its four mess halls. As at other U.S. installations, the food at Balad is both good and abundant, a major change from the early days of the U.S. presence here.

Dinner on the night of Friday, Jan. 27 offered entrees of baked salmon, roast turkey, grilled pork chops, fried crab bites, breaded scallops and fried rice. The smiling servers standing behind those dishes were from Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, India and Nepal.

Soldiers who were still hungry could hit the two salad bars, the sandwich line or a short-order stand for a cheeseburger, hot dog or grilled cheese sandwich. There were also two soup offerings and a dessert stand near the exit with chocolate mint and vanilla ice cream, banana pudding, pumpkin pie, cherry pie and yellow cake.

For those bored with the mess halls, there are a Subway, a Pizza Hut, a Popeye's, an ersatz Starbucks called "Green Beans" that serves up triple lattes, and a 24-hour Burger King.

It is little wonder that military nutritionists worry. Three years ago, the average U.S. soldier lost about 10 pounds while stationed in Iraq for a year. "Now they gain that much," reported Maj. Polly Graham, an Army dietitian here.

Back at the Balad West PX, Burk, the manager, is pleased that he has managed to tamp down panic buying by visiting troops -- the 82nd Airborne Division always wanting Copenhagen snuff, for instance, or the Air Force hoarding Marlboro Lights. The biggest change in buying preferences in the last two years, he said, is that T-shirts advertising service in Iraq no longer sell quickly.

"A lot of people don't want shirts with OIF on it," Burk said, citing the initials for Operation Iraqi Freedom. "They want clothes they can wear when they get home, and OIF has kind of lost its pizazz."
 

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kosar and djv were in the service?.......honestly,i didn`t know.......

kosar?.....really?.....what was he in,"the billy barty rangers?"......

i`m kidding...kosar,i`m kidding...easy...

..why`d you have to go and tell me that kosar and djv served?.....

what am i supposed to do now?....first,you`re insulting me up one thread and down the other....now,kosar`s a soldier?....

how am i supposed to get indignant with my favorite macacas?...

chavez finds out chomsky`s alive...i find out kosar`s a soldier.....:banghead:

next,you`ll tell me that eddie haskell is actually tommy franks.....

djv/ollie north?......

i think i`m going to become a hare krishna....
 
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Kosar was indeed a soldier, a marine if I'm not mistaken. Got stuck inbetween the 2 Iraq fights ...again if not mistaken. DJV made some reference to military service on another thread. He's old school of course - not sure what years exactly.

Yeah, I know Weasel - it throws everything off-kilter. It's just a matter of timing that Kosar is not in Iraq right now. I have trouble getting around that myself.

Remember - 11 of 12 Iraq vets running for office this November are Democrats. Service and fighting does not preclude someone to a particular party. ...or maybe it does - just not the party we would assume.

-as for me insulting you, well I pretty much insult everyone. Maybe I'm just not fond of your....

.....writing........

style........?
 
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i`m....from..the...william ...shatner...school..of ..staccato..speech ...pathology....


you know,now that i think about it,i do recall somebody saying that djv was in the french and indian war......


and i believe that i saw in another forum that kosar was an engineer....he would go from barracks to barracks blowing through the key holes to cool the lads down.....

kosar...i kid.....i genuflect to your military sevice....seriously....

well done kosar and djv....

i hope this doesn`t mean i can`t bite your ankles anymore...

gordo.jpg
 

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Marine I was talking about the private security these companies put on pay roll to help protect their workers. Many are coming from the service. Your right they on there own in many case. Do to we don't have enough guys in Iraq to police the country. They just had a story about some these guys. Our State dept welcomes the fact they are there to help. Estimate is close to 9500 private security jobs filed.
 

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you know,now that i think about it,i do recall somebody saying that djv was in the french and indian war......


and i believe that i saw in another forum that kosar was an engineer....he would go from barracks to barracks blowing through the key holes to cool the lads down.....

kosar...i kid.....i genuflect to your military sevice....seriously....

well done kosar and djv....

i hope this doesn`t mean i can`t bite your ankles anymore...

While your joke about DJV is eminently clever, he fought in the same Vietnam war that DTB did. As much as you've scoured here in P&R the last three years or so, it seems unlikely that you've never picked up on that. :rolleyes:

As for me, seriously, you can save the sarcastic comments about 'genuflecting', 'blowing key holes', and 'biting ankles.'

Clearly sarcastic comments, followed by 'seriously', don't really work, brother.

Almost everybody here knows I served, so it's not like it's just some little known thing being advanced by my friend Smurphy. Obviously shown by no response by me to this point, I really don't care about you 'mentioning' anybodys particular service, but your sarcastic response to Smurphys post is telling.
 

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kosar...i am not kidding...i honestly didn`t know....

why would i lie?....you think i don`t like you because i kid with you?...because we are ideological opposites?....

yourself and smurph are two of my faves on this site.....and,for god`s sake,smurphy beats me like i owe him money.....i don`t take it personally...even though i try and make him feel guilty....:SIB

honestly,i can`t read every thread....and i must have missed the service references....

you know my "style"(or lack thereof) of writing in the political forum...i kid....sarcasm.... i try and lighten the load a bit...

would it be preferable that i come in here and rant and rave constantly...instead of only occasionally?....that i leave the sarcasm at the door?....

don`t you enjoy my jokes?(don`t answer that)...

it`s never personal...and i was referring to myself as "the anklebiter"..

c`mon man...you,of all people....we`ve sparred as much as any two people one on this forum....i enjoy it...i enjoy your repartee....

i`m sorry if i offended you......

but,you have to believe me...the service thing was not known to me....

in retrospect,i should have picked up on the korean references....i didn`t...

that`s the best i can do...all this groveling is making me nauseous.....

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Wease,

It's no problem at all. Like I said, I really don't care, but someone like DJV, who has had as many references as DTB to his service in Vietnam?

Just seems weird that you missed all of those.

Whatever the case, nice picture. :rolleyes:
 

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I really don't have any idea why I am responding to this thread anymore since it took a turn for the worst.

DTB sponge posted the article, Kosar a marine imagine that. Thank you for your service.

Balad is what they say it is an Air base. It is mostly Air force. So unlesss they do security which some do then they will never leave the base until they fly to the BIAP in Baghdad or leave Iraq. I have no idea how this refers to the building large base near Tigris.

Anaconda, Balad, Taji, Spiecher, Liberty, BIAP, Green Zone all of these bases have been in place since this campaign basically started. Once they had so-called control. And yes the bases will be handed over to the Iraqi's. We will not have troops permanantly in Iraq. Kuwait yes, near the border they are doing a massive base restructure there, Iraq no.

I do like how they make it sound like you are shopping at a walmart though. Usually the shelves only contain items no one wants. The re-supply is not that fast and you have to basically be there when the shelves are stocked or they are emptied asap. And unless u are on these bases it is not like this everywhere. Some still have the old PX trailers, or very small buildings. Cigarettes are constantly out, so u have to buy 3 year old marlboro's from hadji if u smoke. God knows what them do to your lungs. But I am sure no one cared. I mean whats a few out dated cigs gonna do that a mortar or Ied won't.

Most bases already have AFN in place already. Most who are smart don't buy tv's at the PX anyway. When u arrive to your destination someone is always leaving. So u buy their t.v. since its 240 they aren't gonna need it back home. I think I bought a t.v. with a surround sound system for $30.00 when I left baghdad and moved south to Tallil. We didn't have trailers in Baghdad we lived in tents. We did have interent though which we purchased ourselves for nearly $14,000 for 3 months service. U buy a bike since not everyone gets a vehicle, since most go out on patrol to get blown up. So unless u wanna walk sometimes for miles, you either rode a bike or took a bus which would come by every 10 minutes or so.

The one thing I did buy new was a refrigerator. Best investment I made. Packn Ice everyday and emptying coolers started to suck, plus it was messy. I could keep sandwiches from mess hall, and some snacks fresh and away from the furnace blasting heat. I also like the comment about tee-shirts sales that say OIF ddeclining. Well dahhhhh most are on their 2nd or 3rd tour in Iraq what the hell do u need another tee-shirt for?

They seem to make it like a club med. Which for a few it may be, but not for all. While all of this is great to have access too unlike in past campaigns. U really have little time to enjoy it. U usually work 10-14hour days. 6 days a week sometimes 7 in temps that eclipse 130-140 in the sun during the summer. I think most use their free time to catch up on sleep more than anyting. U also put up with blow flies that bite the shit out of u and leave permanant scares, sand fleas. along with mosquitoes and big black ants that come out at night only and attack you..

while its not like the jungle in vietnam it is hardly a club med. but the article does give a glimpse of what life is sometimes like. add in everything else u deal with while in iraq and i think the soldiers handle it pretty well.
 

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Kosar a marine imagine that. Thank you for your service.

I wasn't sure where that came from until I looked back and saw Smurph said that and I obviously missed it. No, I was in the army from 1990-1994, not the marines.

And thank *you* for your service.
 

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tease that is not the article i wanted to bring up. The site i read it at i can't seem to find the article. Ii searched it to death. Now did they take it down because it was bull i don't know. i looked for about two hours. I will try later this week to find that article again.
 

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tease that is not the article i wanted to bring up. The site i read it at i can't seem to find the article. Ii searched it to death. Now did they take it down because it was bull i don't know. i looked for about two hours. I will try later this week to find that article again.

probably because you were making it up.
 

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I haven't read about any huge US base being built in Iraq, but I've come across more than a few articles talking about how the large US expenditures on base construction there "suggests plans for a long-term prescence", especially when the officials are vague about ultimate plans.





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Jacob Silberberg / AP
The swimming pool at Balad air base, as seen
through the window of a Black Hawk helicopter, 44 miles north of Baghdad, Iraq, on Aug. 25, 2005.





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Charles J. Hanley / AP file
U.S. soldiers eat meals from Burger King in al-Asad air base west of Baghdad.
Elaborate bases like this one raise questions about
how long the U.S. intends to stay in Iraq.
 

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terry..i see you`re quoting churchill in your sig line.......

very nice...

btw...not sure that a burger king and a hotel pool means we`re there until the 12th imam pops out of his hole....but,it is a very lucrative b.k.....

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""A new Burger King restaurant overseas is already in the top 10 among all international franchises:
The former Saddam International Airport now houses Iraq's first Burger King. Part creature comfort, part therapy for homesick troops, its sales have reached the top 10 among all Burger King franchises on Earth in the five months since it opened. The shiny metal broiler spits out 5,000 patties a day.
The takeout stand is open from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. and offers six sandwiches; a normal menu has 16. There are no milkshakes. But even with the limited menu, and with competition from the Bob Hope dining facility at the airport -- which is free and serves 8,000 meals a day -- Burger King's daily sales are between $15,000 and $18,000, military officials say.""
 
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