A message from a prof at my alma mater

[Chadman]

There are plenty of people in roles of corporate management and are in CEO roles that merely started by getting out of college and working in a business because of their college degree - nothing more. It's not like they are employing anyone in reality, are operating a business, etc. Many got their jobs due to friends, family, who they knew. And they get credit for a hell of a lot more than they should, and are placed on a higher level than other graduates (letter winners/owners) that are not in those roles, and are credited with all kinds of shit.

They make a ton of money, often manage companies that don't do very well, or perform through no real input from them that matters, and are credited with employing people, etc. It seems that unless you are a CEO or in a position of management these days, you are looked down upon by conservatives. Which is kind of ironic, when listening to their rhetoric and value system which often includes the phrase "hard work."

 

[ssd]

Sure, Muff. Typical liberal spin - throw money at a problem and if it doesn't fix it, throw more - just makes sure it is someone else's money.

If services and products are interchangeable then way is there a manufacturing index AND a services index and why do investment people track which sector is growing or shrinking?!?!?!?!

They are definitely NOT the same thing. It is sad. You are an intelligent person - to try to pull that kind of chicanery is below your intelligence


I have my facts. you ignore them or debase them. That is fine. Live in your own reality.


Take a look at Greece - Spain - Portugal - Ireland and Italy and take a look at what got them to where they are.


Here's a link:
http://www.businessinsider.com/greece-germany-pensions-2010-4

And another...
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-15/greek-portuguese-irish-debt-seen-topping-gdp-this-year.html

Greece - with almost 30% of the population working for the govt is a microcosm of what will happen here in the US.

Deny it, ignore it, refute it - it will come to pass unless things are changed. 48% of the population pays no taxes. The nation is at a tipping point and once it passes over, it is on a downward slope.


And yes - I have read the Constitution. It is a document meant to limit the powers of the Federal Gov't. My best friend is a US atty (and happens to be a diehard liberal). We discuss the finer points of the Constitution over adult beverages at local restaurants on Sat eves with our wives. So, yes. I am thoroughly versed in the Constitution - both from a liberal point of view and my own.

Not telling you how to spend your money - that is not my belief at all - just that your charity is typical of a liberal mindset - you feed a few guys for a few days and feel good about yourself....much like the liberal programs that throw money to the poor once a month and then forget about them until the checks go out again or an election cycle is upon them. People need so much more than handouts.

 

[Duff Miver]

Sure, Muff. Typical liberal spin - throw money at a problem and if it doesn't fix it, throw more - just makes sure it is someone else's money.

If services and products are interchangeable then way is there a manufacturing index AND a services index and why do investment people track which sector is growing or shrinking?!?!?!?!

They are definitely NOT the same thing. It is sad. You are an intelligent person - to try to pull that kind of chicanery is below your intelligence


I have my facts. you ignore them or debase them. That is fine. Live in your own reality.


Take a look at Greece - Spain - Portugal - Ireland and Italy and take a look at what got them to where they are.


Here's a link:
http://www.businessinsider.com/greece-germany-pensions-2010-4

And another...
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-15/greek-portuguese-irish-debt-seen-topping-gdp-this-year.html

Greece - with almost 30% of the population working for the govt is a microcosm of what will happen here in the US.

Deny it, ignore it, refute it - it will come to pass unless things are changed. 48% of the population pays no taxes. The nation is at a tipping point and once it passes over, it is on a downward slope.


And yes - I have read the Constitution. It is a document meant to limit the powers of the Federal Gov't. My best friend is a US atty (and happens to be a diehard liberal). We discuss the finer points of the Constitution over adult beverages at local restaurants on Sat eves with our wives. So, yes. I am thoroughly versed in the Constitution - both from a liberal point of view and my own.

Not telling you how to spend your money - that is not my belief at all - just that your charity is typical of a liberal mindset - you feed a few guys for a few days and feel good about yourself....much like the liberal programs that throw money to the poor once a month and then forget about them until the checks go out again or an election cycle is upon them. People need so much more than handouts.

So much noise, so little substance.

Someone else's money? Nope. It's mine and yours. I put in more than I take out. Maybe you do too.

When have I suggested "throwing money" at anything? Quite the opposite, I want my money spent wisely and I want good value for every dollar. I don't want an Alaskan bridge to nowhere, or studies of obscure insects which offer no benefit. However, those are small wastes of money. What I really oppose is the huge defense budget which only serves to get us into wars which are unnecessary. I don't want Ag subsidies which only serve to drive up food costs. I don't want tax breaks for corps which already make huge profits. I don't want....well, you know the rest of the list.

However you need to be clear on this - I don't want handouts to those who can, but will not work. For all I care, they can starve.

Problem is, there are no jobs for many and there are many without any job skills. Hell, there are many without living skills. Those are tough problems, and wishful thinking won't make them go away. It's going to take tough choices, hard work, and yes, some money from those who have amassed unconscionable fortunes. I have no problem taxing John Paulson @ 90% as we did in the 1950s when we had an enormous debt. It that leaves poor Johnny with only $260,000,000 for this year, boo-fucking-hoo. He can get a night job if he wants more.

This isn't Greece, or Ireland, or Portugal, although if you teabaggers are successful in pushing us into default, we'll be headed in their direction.

You know nothing about my mindset and actions as regards charity, but you have decided that all I've ever done is buy a meal for a bum. Typical teabagger, paint me with your imaginary "liberal" brush. Unlike you, I don't need to lay out my donations on an internet forum, seeking praise.

Okay, you're a Constitutional expert because you talk about it over drinks, so when will you answer the Constitutional issue you raised - Here it is again, give it your best shot, along with all the legal advise you can get:


ssd: Read the Constitution. It LIMITS the powers of the federal government for a reason.


So we don't end up where we are now

Duff: Actually I have read the Constitution - many times. Have you? If so, then explain your statement. In what way is the Constitution being violated? You can cite Supreme Court decisions to back your personal interpretation , you being a non-lawyer.

 

[Trench]

Sure, Muff. Typical liberal spin - throw money at a problem and if it doesn't fix it, throw more - just makes sure it is someone else's money.

Not telling you how to spend your money - that is not my belief at all - just that your charity is typical of a liberal mindset - you feed a few guys for a few days and feel good about yourself....much like the liberal programs that throw money to the poor once a month and then forget about them until the checks go out again or an election cycle is upon them. People need so much more than handouts.

I would expect these kind of platitudes from Dogs, SSD, but you're better than this. If you truly believe that liberals believe in throwing money at problems just to feel better about themselves, then you've bought into the rabid right-wing definition of liberalism.

 

[Duff Miver]

Here, ssd, pay attention:

lib?er?al?ism
   
?noun
1.
the quality or state of being liberal, as in behavior or attitude.
2.
a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties.
3.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) the principles and practices of a liberal party in politics.

That's my definition, and the generally accepted definition. Some definition you make up from whole cloth is worthless.

You're right, I'm a liberal. The question is - why aren't you?

 

[ssd]

1. I am not a teabagger
2. I am not liberal because I have a brain.

Restoring fiscal discipline to Washington will not push us into default. Doing nothing will. Status quo is unsustainable.

I get all this same stuff from my friend and his wife. hasn't changed my PoV yet and you adding onto it won't either.

 

[Duff Miver]

1. I am not a teabagger
2. I am not liberal because I have a brain.

Restoring fiscal discipline to Washington will not push us into default. Doing nothing will. Status quo is unsustainable.

I get all this same stuff from my friend and his wife. hasn't changed my PoV yet and you adding onto it won't either.

I didn't quite catch your answer. The Constitution is being violated how?:shrug:

 

[The Sponge]

You're talking about Bill Gates? Make that tens of thousands of real (not potential) jobs, and a substantial part of the national economy....and products of real value....no, wait....I see....you're talking about a guy who runs a gambling casino....

Now that's a valuable contribution, a business which creates nothing at all beyond momentary pleasure and empty pockets for it's customers. An "honest day's work"? In most of the USA that sort of work will get him prison time.. A strong supporter of Harry Reid? Of course he is. Hell, he'd be a strong supporter of Osama BinLaden if Osama were a US Senator from Nevada.

Next you'll be promoting hookers as business models. Their business is honest in a few places too. And they create more "real value" than Wynn.

Steve Wynn? LMAO!

Al Capone created jobs too. :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

Positive news from Sin City

Two good signs out of Vegas. Shares in Wynn resorts reached a 52-week high late last week ($162.70, 129 percent higher than its low of $70.98 over the past 12 months), and three big indices (visitors, hotel occupancy and room rates) were all up last month over the same period in 2010. :shrug: Kinda contradicts Weasel's point no?

 

[ssd]

I debate the Constitution, among other things, with two liberal attys quite often, Muff. I do not think I will learn anything new from you, who thinks a service is the same as a product.


But, I stated the the Constitution "is a document meant to limit the powers of the Federal Gov't."


Here is a statement by Chief Justice William Rehnquist. He wrote, "We start with first principles. The Constitution creates a Federal Government of enumerated powers."

But hey, I don't know anything about the Constitution. Neither did Rehnquist, I guess.

 

[Lumi]

Muffins always bashes others for spelling and grammar, checks on others quals, degrees. etc...

And of course...

He attacks like a 12 year old at a playground filled with 8 year olds. He is a big bad bully, with no cred.

What are your quals Muffins?

What degrees do you hold princess?

What real world experience do you have besides driving a government desk for 25+ years?

Being a transexual hooker in Thailand doesn't count !

 

[Duff Miver]

I debate the Constitution, among other things, with two liberal attys quite often, Muff. I do not think I will learn anything new from you, who thinks a service is the same as a product.


But, I stated the the Constitution "is a document meant to limit the powers of the Federal Gov't."


Here is a statement by Chief Justice William Rehnquist. He wrote, "We start with first principles. The Constitution creates a Federal Government of enumerated powers."

But hey, I don't know anything about the Constitution. Neither did Rehnquist, I guess.

Answer the question, ssd.

Quote from you -

ssd: Read the Constitution. It LIMITS the powers of the federal government for a reason.


So we don't end up where we are now

If the constitution is not being violated, how did we end up "where we are now"?

Rehnquist won't help you on that one.

 

[Trench]

2. I am not liberal because I have a brain.

I see. You have bought into the rabid right-wing definition of liberalism. Thanks for clarifying. :0008