a quick poll--need some input

[pt1gard]

marine,

you present yourself as someone who has no idea how to debate with posts like the above, but since you have nothing germane to try to take apart this obvious conspiracy by the gov. to kill its own citizens and lie about marauding the middle east, then i can see how the typical mindless M.O. to ridicule the person who has superior knowledge and has done more research can intimidate you into trashing them ... your cohort fdc ran away bc all he could do is shout and try to demean my POV, one that has proven the gov. has lied repeatedly about 9-11 ... dont you see that anyone with an empirical mind laughs at tactics such as yours ...

its ok, i take it as a compliment :00hour

 

[pt1gard]

anthrax hoax

anthrax hoax

let us not forget the anthrax scam that came right as bush was pushing the patriot act... i guess its just another one of the lucky coincidences by those in power:shrug:

Government By Anthrax
by Richard J. Ochs


Coup d?etat ? a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics by a small group.
Cabal ? a number of persons secretly united to bring about an overturn or usurpation, esp. in public affairs (Websters).

Who spread the anthrax last October and why? Well, who has that strain of anthrax and who has a motive? Most commentators and the FBI agree that only a select group of Americans have easy access to the Ames strain of anthrax used in the letters mailed last October. But why would any of them want to kill and terrorize Americans? The clue is in the timing. A chronology of events suggests that the motivation was to boost passage of controversial legislation in Congress last October, called the USA Patriot Act. A number of unlikely ?coincidences? associated with the anthrax attacks makes it hard to believe that they were random.

CONSIDER THESE ?COINCIDENCES?
? The anthrax attacks were concurrent with the debate of Bush?s Patriot Act by Congress and the media.

? The Senators who received anthrax letters were trying to amend the Patriot Act to protect civil liberties and the innocent.

? Two Senate democratic leaders received anthrax letters mailed the same day that Senator Feingold blocked an attempt to rush the bill through without discussion or amendments.

? And on that very same day, the FBI told the Iowa state lab to
destroy the original batch of the Ames strain, making tracing the
anthrax type more difficult.

? Senator Leahy received an anthrax threat after he expressed reservations about the Bill. As Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, he managed the debate on the Bill.

? Senate Majority Leader Daschle received the first Senate anthrax letter as he led the opposition to the original version of the Bill.

? After receiving the anthrax letter, Daschle switched from supporting a 2 year limit on the Bill, later defending a 4-year sunset clause as the ?appropriate balance.?

? No Republican received an anthrax letter.

? The House and Senate buildings were closed and not reopened until after the Patriot Act was passed.

? The Supreme Court was shut down with an anthrax scare the day after the constitutionally-challenged Patriot Act was signed by President Bush.

? All the contaminated letters contained the Ames strain of anthrax, the DNA of which is traced to the original batch preserved in a university lab in Ames, Iowa. This strain was ?weaponized? in Utah into a potent powder with an elaborate secret technique developed at Fort Detrick, Md.[1]

? The FBI failed to interview Ft. Detrick anthrax experts for two months into their investigation, doing it only after the experts complained to the press of gross incompetence on the part of the FBI.

? The FBI overruled local homicide detectives who think that an anthrax expert was murdered, possibly because he knew too much.

A CURIOUS FLOW OF EVENTS
The following is a merger of ?A Chronology of Anthrax Events,? published by the South Florida Sun-sentinel,[2] and the simultaneous proceedings of the Patriot Bill in Congress as reported in the local press.

Sept.16 -- Anti-terrorism bill proposed.[3]

Sept.18 ? Two letters containing Ames anthrax are postmarked in Trenton, N.J., addressed to Tom Brokaw of NBC Nightly News and the New York Post.

Sept.28 ? Boy visiting ABC network in New York contracts anthrax.

Oct.2 ? USA Patriot Act anti-terrorism bill is introduced in Congress.

Oct.3 ? Tabloid editor of Boca Raton Sun, Florida, hospitalized with anthrax and dies two days later.

Oct. 3 ? Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (Dem., S.D.) says he doubts the Senate could take up the anti-terrorist legislation before next week, as the administration had asked. Attorney General John A. Ashcroft accuses Senate Democrats of dragging their feet.[4]

Oct. 4 ? Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (Dem., Vt.) accuses the administration of reneging on an agreement on the anti-terrorist bill. Some warn that ?lawmakers are were overlooking constitutional flaws in their rush to meet the administration?s timetable.?[5]

Oct. 6 ? Under the headline, ?Glow of bipartisanship seems to dim,? the Baltimore Sun reports: ??opposed by most Senate Democrats, Ashcroft complained about the rather slow pace?over his request for law enforcement powers?Hard feelings remain.?[6]

Oct. 8 ? Under the headline, ?Cracks in Bipartisanship Start to Show,? The Washington Post reports, ?Congress has lost some of the shock-induced unity with which it first responded to the [9/11] attacks.?[7]

Oct.9 ? Senator Feingold blocks an attempt to rush the Patriot Act to a vote with little debate and no opportunity for amendments. Feingold criticizes the Bill as a threat to liberty.[8]

Oct.9 ? Identical anthraxed letters are postmarked in Trenton, N.J., with lethal doses to Senators Daschle and Leahy.

Oct. 10 & 11 ? The original batch of the Ames strain of anthrax is destroyed with the permission of the FBI, making tracing the anthrax type more difficult.[9]

Oct.11 ? First Senate version of the Bill passes.[10]

Oct.12 ? First House version of the Bill passes.[11]

Oct.12 ? House-Senate debate on Bill starts.[12]

Oct.12 ? Second anthrax case reported at NBC in NYC.

Oct.13 ? Baltimore Sun reports that the media may have been targeted for a ?coordinated bioterrorism? attack.[13]

Oct.13 ? President Bush says: ?The anthrax attacks might be tied to Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaida terrorist network.?[14]

Oct.15 ? Tom Brokaw of NBC opens anthraxed letter containing Islamic threats and phrases.

Oct.15 ? Senator Daschle?s office opens the letter mailed Oct.9, containing a lethal dose of anthrax. Senator Leahy?s similar letter was misrouted to Virginia.

Oct.16 ? The Senate office buildings shut down.

Oct.17 ? House of Representatives shut down; 28 congressional staffers test positive for anthrax.

Oct.17 ? The New York and Florida letters are found to contain the Ames strain.

Oct.18 ? An assistant of CBS Dan Rather contracts anthrax.

Oct.21 ? Letters to N.Y.Post, NBC and Senator Daschle are found to have identical handwriting of ?Death to America, Death to Israel, Allah is Great.?

Oct. 24 ? House passes the final version of the Patriot Act and other previously unpopular Bush projects: Alaska oil drilling, $25 billion in tax cuts for corporations, taps into Social Security funds and cuts in education.[15]

Oct.25 ? Congressional mail halted. Senator Daschle switched from supporting a 2 year limit on the Patriot Act to defending a 4 year sunset clause as the ?appropriate balance.?[16]

Oct.26 ? Senate passes the final version Patriot Act.[17]

Oct.26 ? President Bush signs the constitutionally questionable USA Patriot Act.[18]

Oct.27 ? Supreme Court shut down with anthrax scare.[19]

November -- No more anthrax letters received by anyone.

November ? Congressional buildings reopened.

November ? Three top anthrax experts with knowledge of the U.S. bioweapons program died under suspicious circumstances within a ten day period.

CONGRESS TERRORIZED
The atmosphere of terror in Congress was expressed by Representative Dennis Kucinich of Ohio: ?. . . a state of siege trap us in a state of fear, ill equipped to deal with the patriot games, the mind games, the war games. . .? He lamented the physical and psychological disruption and disorientation of lawmakers at a time when calm objectivity was required for wise decisions.[20] No doubt, the terrorized senators accepted an anti-terrorism bill more threatening to the rights and wellbeing of citizens than they otherwise would have. They granted more power to the President than they otherwise would have.

New York Times commentator William Safire wrote under the heading, ?Seizing Dictatorial Power,? that ?Bush admits to dismissing the principles of law and the rules of evidence that undergird America?s system of justice.?[21]

The anthrax letters to the media can be considered peripheral to political targets. They guaranteed publicity and heightened general hysteria. Janette Rainwater, Ph.D., wrote that anthrax threats are useful ?in creating panic and, in this case, providing a climate wherein legislation curtailing civil liberties can be passed.?[22]

The anthrax scare at the Supreme Court likewise put a chill on their mission to defend civil liberties. Whether the anthrax is believed to have come from foreigners or Americans, the threats resulted in the granting of more power to the Executive Branch by the Legislative and Judicial Branches, seriously damaging ?checks and balances.?

 

[Agent 0659]

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm:00x33

 

[THE KOD]

I have not even read this thread once yet but today I started to from about page 4 I think.

I am a big conspiracy buff ( see grassy knoll ) but I have a very hard time with some of the stuff you have posted on here.

If this were true it would be the worst of the worst our goverment has ever done, and it would border on the american way being taken down the toilet.

I will read the thread from start to finish and then make some comments. you may not like what I have to say about it.

 

[pt1gard]

its cool scott whatever you want to say ... but like i have already proven, the gov. has admitted to lying and changing their story in a court of law ... i dont know what else anyone needs to see

 

[THE KOD]

like i have already proven, the gov. has admitted to lying and changing their story in a court of law ... i dont know what else anyone needs to see

..........................................................

I am not sure what your referring to.

If thats the case then why is the goverment not being prosecuted for perjury.

 

[The Judge]

Government By Anthrax
by Richard J. Ochs

BIOGRAPHY OF RICHARD J. OCHS

A retired printer and free lance writer from Baltimore, Richard Ochs has published articles in the Baltimore Sun, Baltimore Chronicle, Science magazine and the website: www.freefromterror.net. His biography as an advocate for civil rights and peace is chronicled in his memoirs Forty Years in the Fray, L.C.#98-90478. He is past president of the Aberdeen Proving Ground Superfund Citizens Coalition, member of the Depleted Uranium Task force of the Military Toxics Project and a member of the Chemical Weapons Working Group.

 

[THE KOD]

judge

so this ochs character has his own agenda :shrug:

 

[maverick2112]

BIOGRAPHY OF RICHARD J. OCHS

A retired printer and free lance writer from Baltimore, Richard Ochs has published articles in the Baltimore Sun, Baltimore Chronicle, Science magazine and the website: www.freefromterror.net. His biography as an advocate for civil rights and peace is chronicled in his memoirs Forty Years in the Fray, L.C.#98-90478. He is past president of the Aberdeen Proving Ground Superfund Citizens Coalition, member of the Depleted Uranium Task force of the Military Toxics Project and a member of the Chemical Weapons Working Group.

Say what you want about the author..........BUT

Why dont you spend some time and show us what became of this anthrax happening..........no one prosecuted..............not even really pursued any more.............just kind of forgotten...........Remember the man thay tried to pin it on, Hatfield or something like that........he fought it and proved his innocence...........

Like the pursuit of Bin Ladin.........kind of weird how these priorities just "GO AWAY".............
You would think actually catching Bin Laden and whoever manufactured and sent the anthrax would still be a "top" priority:shrug:

 

[pt1gard]

maybe best video ive seen

maybe best video ive seen

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=347655064407137426

this addresses some of the most puzzling questions to people who have actually studied this murder ...

 

[pt1gard]

i see the liar went off

i see the liar went off

on my pal sponge on another forum involving his innocence ... lets just leave it with this simple fact, madjackers, ask yourself these two simple questions,

1. why did the liar take so long to come up with a cover story--he's never at a loss of curse words

2. if 2 year-old twins died in the 9-11 tragedy, why didnt america hear about it .... the liar's hoax that the names were never disclosed on the manifest is absurd, were they the only ones on all the planes that were hidden from public view ... it would be a HUGE national story and everyone reading this knows it---that kind of information would be impossible to keep a lid on b/c of the momentum Bush and his cadre couldve gained exploiting it

 

[marine]

I am ashamed for ever opening this thread and feeding into this garbage

 

[pt1gard]

marine,

i do believe a while ago you said you could never change my mind and you wouldnt change yours, and you were done in this thread ...

All i can surmise so far is that you never approached this subject in any objective or open minded manner ...

you are right, i have posted many things from others who have done more research than you or i will ever consider, things i whole heartedly believe after reading more things than you obviously have; let me ask you, how does one obtain knowledge in this world w/o standing on another's shoulders, that's all science is; i.e. check the wright bros concerning otto lillenthal ... on top of that, your argument is built on fallacy, what happened isnt fiction, unless you believe the government; im reporting facts, what do you want me to do, make things up.

i dont care what you think, i dont care what anyone thinks that isnt open minded enough to consider both sides of a situation ... you and others of your ilk are repugnant in that you wont entertain the possibility of change and instead choose to swallow colossal lies without thought you might be hoodwinked. i would never hope to sway that mindset.

you can say what you want about me not correlating facts or having any original thoughts, which i disagree with, but again if your perception is so narrow that if you cant see that the government admitted repeatedly, at the kean hearings, and in the zacarias moussaoui trial, that they ignored evidence, and that the olsons phone calls didnt happen, then what can one say to a man who simply cant digest facts ...

the kean commission was denied 25 per cent of the documents they requested, their final report came back with 28 pages blacked out ... thomas kean and lee hamilton, who headed the commission, were so exasperated they co-wrote a book entitled, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, which had in its opening chapter this quote, "So there were all kinds of reasons we thought we were set up to fail." And those were hand-picked pigeons working for Bush/Zelicow. Imagine how egregious the stench must've been for kean and hamilton to be compelled to write a book about the bogus committee. Early on, Max Cleland resigned from the circus calling it a whitewash. Talking about egg on the face.

so, my question again is this, if the government has nothing to hide, why would they do this ... if they have nothing to hide why will they not release positive proof with the cameras they ran around confiscating like maniacs the morning of 9-11; why didnt they test the rubble on the wtc ... the previous and tons more is included in this thread which you never address, other than puerile rejoinders such as 'curiosity killed the cat' ... please explain that, is it a veiled neocon threat.

i have produced an avalanche of conclusive facts from many incredibly intelligent people that would put anyone else in jail yet your blind faith to a lying, bloodthirsty regime forces you to ignore it ... you want to back your precious, honest government, so be it ... i choose to look at evidence in a fair and non lobotomized fashion ...

many people are not going to want to think the way i do, or sponge, or agent, or mav, or hundreds of fbi, pentagon, cia, professors, engineers, victims' family members, pilots, and elected politicians that are capable of independent thought, and see that the administration's shell game doesnt add up

Again, I'm here offering facts to people with open minds, not arrested ones ... I'm not sure exactly why that bothers you or anyone so much, so i'm curious what your agenda is ... are you a shill for the government, thats the only thing that makes sense.

that said, what difference does it make whose learned opinions i post :shrug:

i seek the truth, not the feeble excuses that the gov. is trying to jam down their traumatized--thru unspeakable staged terror--flock's throat.

 

[Happy Hippo]

I have not been reading everything you have posted in this thread, but I am impressed with your research and diligence. Not many people would care enough to examine the mysterious circumstances, or be open to what they find. I thought you might find an article I posted on here sometime ago quite interesting:

ONE PATRIOT ACTS

It is written by a prestigious former military officer and although he only briefly mentions 911, it shows how subversive our government can be.

 

[pt1gard]

thanks HH, im reading it now ... some scary things already popping out ... i appreciate the link :00hour

from ellsberg ...

While working for RAND, Ellsberg was given access to many classified documents, including a report titled ?History of U.S. Decision making in Vietnam, 1945-68,? which described nearly three decades of institutionalized lying by top U.S. officials to the American public, and to each other. Ellsberg copied the seven thousand page, top-secret report and gave a copy to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which failed to act on it. In 1970 Ellsberg left RAND, taking copies of the report with him. After trying unsuccessfully to convince several senators to release the documents on the Senate floor, he provided a copy to the New York Times. When the Nixon administration prevented the Times from printing the report, Ellsberg gave it to seventeen other publications.

the American president?s unchecked power to make war and an idea of what happens when someone poses a real threat to the people who run the country. About the secret bombing of Cambodia, Ellsberg writes, ?A modern president?s practical ability to drop secretly several hundred thousand tons of bombs on a country with which we were not at war was a considerable tribute to the effectiveness of the postwar secrecy system.? This system, Ellsberg says, serves the president even better today, allowing the Bush administration to accrue powers apparently beyond those granted it by the Constitution.

I?ve been trying for thirty years to alert people to the way nuclear war is planned and contemplated. It?s very hard to convey that matter-of-fact style. I?m horrified by it.

If you really want to run the world, having your hand on the tap in the Middle East - and thus controlling other countries' oil supplies - is even more important than having access to it for domestic use. It's a base of power and a source of great profit for a limited number of huge corporations.

Under the USA PATRIOT Act, the Huston Plan has become law. We're not a full police state yet, but the PATRIOT Act is moving us closer to it. There are provisions of the PATRIOT Act that Nixon envisioned, but he backed off from them. Here's the significant point: The succession of crimes that brought Nixon down are now legal under the PATRIOT Act. CIA operatives acting against an American citizen? No problem. Breaking into a doctor's office to steal information? No problem. Sneak-and-peek entry? No problem. Coordination of the FBI and the CIA? No problem. Wiretaps? No problem. We have become less free. When the Nixon administration was caught doing these things, it had real problems. The resulting scandal helped remove Nixon from office. Today that wouldn't be the case. And if the Bush administration can legally do such things, what might it be doing that's still illegal? Will those things, too, be made legal after the next terrorist attack?

 

[pt1gard]

link to damn good article

link to damn good article

this guy had nuts to call for a fair investigation and even talks about conspiracy nuts hehe ... heres part of the article, if you are interested, i linked the rest

A representative poll of eight hundred New York state residents by Zogby International found less than 40 percent of them say they believe the 9/11 Commission report answered all of the important questions about Sept. 11. (4)

Sixty-six percent of New York City residents are therefore calling on the state attorney general to open a new criminal investigation, one based on the 383 questions of the Family Steering Committee, most of which the 9/11 Commission report simply ignores.

The same poll found that 41 percent of state residents believe high officials knew about 9/11 in advance, and ?consciously? allowed the attacks to proceed. That view is shared by one-half of New York City residents - the very people who would have the most reason to be well-informed about Sept. 11.

But 41 percent of the good people in upsate New York, a microcosm of Middle America, also believe there was foreknowledge, as do 30 percent of the state?s registered Republicans.

What would the same poll questions reveal, if they were posed to residents of the entire United States? Or to a sampling of the world population?

Isn?t this big news? Half the people in the city where the attacks occurred don?t believe what their government has told them. Why wasn?t it in the papers, alongside the Bush-Kerry polling numbers? Shouldn?t the papers be examining the unanswered questions that make people think this way?

What have the papers given us instead?

Zelikow?s worry about the spread of heretical ideas is apparently shared by the Washington Post, which published his comments yesterday in a pop-psychology piece by Carol Morello, analyzing the souls who have fallen prey to ?conspiracy theories? about 9/11.

http://911citizenswatch.org/?p=402#more-402

 

[pt1gard]

cant have it both ways unless you reject logic

cant have it both ways unless you reject logic

i mean, how laughable is this ....

Second: The 9/11 Commission report revised the older NORAD and FAA timelines of air defense response on Sept. 11. For more than two years, these two agencies presented a series of conflicting chronologies to explain the failure of standard operating procedure, under which the errant flights of Sept. 11 should have been intercepted by jet fighters as a routine matter of reconnaissance.

Last June, the Kean Commission issued a staff statement that radically contradicted all accounts upheld until then by either NORAD or FAA, establishing an entirely new timeline. This is now Chapter 1 of the 9/11 Commission report.

It exonerates everyone of blame for the failures of 9/11, in keeping with the dictum of Kean?s vice-chairman, Lee Hamilton: ?We?re not interested in trying to assess blame, we do not consider that part of the commission?s responsibility.?

Given the complexity of this issue, it may be asking too much of the Washington Post to figure out if the new timeline holds water - it most assuredly does not. (8) But if the Commission?s version is right, then officials at NORAD and the FAA were issuing false accounts for more than two years. Isn?t that, at least, an issue?

Are none of our taxpayer-financed public officials going to be held accountable for what they say and do? Can the official story of 9/11 be changed every few months without consequences?

Sen. Mark Dayton of Minnesota doesn?t think so. At hearings on the 9/11 Commission report, Dayton said NORAD officials ?lied to the American people, they lied to Congress and they lied to your 9/11 commission to create a false impression of competence, communication and protection of the American people.? (9)

This, at least, made the Minneapolis Tribune. But where is the follow-up? Isn?t the reality that either NORAD or the 9/11 Commission (or both) must be lying about what happened on Sept. 11 worthy of the newspaper that was once synonymous with investigative reporting?

 

[pt1gard]

bush lying as usual

bush lying as usual

Whitewash as Public Service

How The 9/11 Commission Report Defrauds the Nation

from Harper's

by Benjamin DeMott

THE NOBODY TOLD ME SCAM

There's little mystery about why the Commission is tongue-tied. It can't call a liar a liar.

The most momentous subject before the 9/11 Commission was: What did President Bush know about the Al Qaeda threat to the United States, when did he know it, and if he knew little, why so? The Commission reports that on several occasions in the spring and summer of 2001 the President had 'asked his briefers whether any of the threats pointed to the United States.' The Commission further reports the President saying that 'if his advisers had told him there was a [terrorist] cell in the United States, they would have moved to take care of it.' Facing his questioners in April 2004, the President said he had not been informed that terrorists were in this country.

Conceivably it was at or near the moment when Bush took this position that the members of the Commission who heard him grasped that casting useful light on the relation between official conduct and national unpreparedness would be impossible. The reason? The President's claim was untrue. It was a lie, and the Commissioners realized they couldn't allow it to be seen as a lie. Numberless officials had appeared before the whole body of the Commission or before its aides, had been sworn in, and had thereafter provided circumstantial detail about their attempts?beginning with pre-election campaign briefings in September, through November 2000, and continuing straight through the subsequent months?to educate Bush as candidate, then as president-elect, then as commander in chief, about the threat from terrorists on our shores. The news these officials brought was spelled out in pithy papers both short and long; the documentation supplied was in every respect impressive.

[ The papers directed to Bush, including discussion of possible terrorist use of hijacked planes, ranged from National Security Council briefings (e.g., those of March 19, 2001, and May 17, 2001) and National Security Council memos (e.g., that of December 29, 2000) to email direct from Counterterrorism Security Group Chief Richard Clarke to Condoleezza Rice (on March 23, June 28, and June 30, 2001), as well as a blizzard of CIA Senior Executive Intelligence Briefs (SEIBs) bearing such titles as "Bin Ladin Planning High-Profile Attacks" (June 30, 2001). The congressionally appointed U.S. Commission on National Security/21st Century, cochaired by Gary Hart and Warren Rudman, presented its report to the White House in February 2001. The document contained "stark warnings about possible domestic terrorist attacks." Bush did not meet with either of the cochairs. The officials who did manage to brief Bush in person on these matters included John McLaughlin, the CIA acting deputy director, Ben Bonk, the deputy chief of its Counterterrorist Center, and the outgoing president of the United States. ]

Nevertheless the chief executive, seated before the Commission, declared: Nobody told me. And challenging the chief executive as a liar entailed an unthinkable cost?the possible rending of the nation?s social and political fabric.

 

[pt1gard]

thoughts on war phantom enemy

thoughts on war phantom enemy

Why does the Pentagon need a budget of $344 billion -- which would be over three times as much as the combined defense spending of Russia, China, and America's potential adversaries (Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria)? And this does include not the over $200 billion spent by U.S. allies annually on defense.

- How do Congress and the President know how much money the Pentagon needs when it can't pass a financial audit -- despite legal obligations to do so? Without audited books, the President and Congress do not know for certain what the Pentagon has and what it really needs.

- Why does the federal government want to spend $344 billion on the Pentagon, when the federal government currently spends only $42 billion on education, $26 billion on affordable housing, $6 billion on Head Start, and only $1 billion on school construction? Does it appear that our national priorities are mixed up or what?

These would be tough questions, even if America had a serious enemy. Without one, these are devastating questions -- and it's so painful to see our politicians trying to answer them that I want to help them find an enemy as quickly as possible.

Larger trends are also causing our politicians to squirm when defending the Pentagon budget, and frankly it's an embarrassing sight (hence, again, the immediate enemy need). For example:

- In our country -- the richest nation in the world -- 14 million kids attend schools that need extensive renovation or replacement. In international test scores, our eighth graders rank 18 in math and 19 in science, below Slovenia, Singapore, and Hungary, among others.

- The child poverty rate hovers at over 15 percent, meaning that about one in six kids lives in poverty.

- Over 40 million Americans, including about 10 million children, have no health insurance.

 

[pt1gard]

emmanuel goldstein 1984

emmanuel goldstein 1984

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/goldstein.html

this is insightful, short, succinct in how we create phantom terrorists/bogeymen; same ploy the mossad has used since the lavon affair, then the uss liberty... theyve had a hand in framing arabs forever ... check out the real story of the wtc 1993; ill let you use your brain about their involvement in 2001