a quick poll--need some input
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Architects and Engineers are trained to design buildings that function well and withstand potentially destructive forces. However, the 3 high-rise buildings at the World Trade Center which "collapsed" on 9/11 (the Twin Towers plus WTC Building #7) presented us with a body of evidence (i.e.controlled demolition) that was clearly outside the scope of our training and experience.
In addition, the shock that hit us on that date from the repeated attacks and staggering loss of life has limited our ability to rationally evaluate what really happened. We therefore found ourselves relying solely upon the judgment of outside "experts"...
and, quite willing to, "go along" with the collective myth that has unfolded: that "the buildings failed structurally due to the aircraft impacts and resulting fires". After all, we saw the aircraft slam into the
building, the resulting huge fireball, and the ensuing "collapses".
There is however a growing body of very solid evidence regarding these "collapses" that has emerged in the last couple of years - gaining ground even in the mainstream media. This new evidence casts grave doubt upon the theories of the 9/11 building collapse "experts" as well as the official reports by the 9/11 Commission, FEMA, and NIST.
It lays out a solid convincing case which architects & engineers will readily see: that the 3 WTC high-rise buildings were destroyed by both classic and novel forms of controlled demolition. You will find the evidence here in our website as well as at the linked websites. We hope you will find the courage and take the necessary time to review each section thoroughly.
After all, if in fact these buildings were professionally demolished with explosives, and since it takes months of planning and engineering to place the explosives, and since these buildings were highly secure from the likes of terrorists, then we are presented with a horrible conclusion that we can not deny: that this entire event could only have been planned and orchestrated by some element(s) within the U.S. Government. The questions raised are therefore numerous and ominous that must be answered in the context of a truly independent congressional investigation with subpoena power.
Of course, if you're a moron, or a useless Gov't shill (or both:SIB ) that makes it tough to see the holes in the official story.
In addition, the shock that hit us on that date from the repeated attacks and staggering loss of life has limited our ability to rationally evaluate what really happened. We therefore found ourselves relying solely upon the judgment of outside "experts"...
and, quite willing to, "go along" with the collective myth that has unfolded: that "the buildings failed structurally due to the aircraft impacts and resulting fires". After all, we saw the aircraft slam into the
building, the resulting huge fireball, and the ensuing "collapses".
There is however a growing body of very solid evidence regarding these "collapses" that has emerged in the last couple of years - gaining ground even in the mainstream media. This new evidence casts grave doubt upon the theories of the 9/11 building collapse "experts" as well as the official reports by the 9/11 Commission, FEMA, and NIST.
It lays out a solid convincing case which architects & engineers will readily see: that the 3 WTC high-rise buildings were destroyed by both classic and novel forms of controlled demolition. You will find the evidence here in our website as well as at the linked websites. We hope you will find the courage and take the necessary time to review each section thoroughly.
After all, if in fact these buildings were professionally demolished with explosives, and since it takes months of planning and engineering to place the explosives, and since these buildings were highly secure from the likes of terrorists, then we are presented with a horrible conclusion that we can not deny: that this entire event could only have been planned and orchestrated by some element(s) within the U.S. Government. The questions raised are therefore numerous and ominous that must be answered in the context of a truly independent congressional investigation with subpoena power.
Of course, if you're a moron, or a useless Gov't shill (or both:SIB ) that makes it tough to see the holes in the official story.
Do you remember when this started out 4 months and 37 pages ago, as "A quick poll"??????
Then, it just became a "see things my way" beat down....
Then, it just became a "see things my way" beat down....
yyz feel free to disprove and research any of the official stories
do you think 767s can evaporate?
do you think a president should stay reading to a 2nd grade class after the nation is obviously under attack? was he trying to 'protect' the children? wouldnt those same kids find out about this shortly after so what was bush's motivation to stay?
did satam's passport really flutter out of flight 175 and land pristine on the manhattan sidewalk?
did babs olson make those phone calls or did her hubby, ted, who now is on his 4th wife lie?
you are welcome to come in here, but if you want to take shots, then join in and give us your views instead of the incessant ad hominems that never address cogent issues.
thanx
gregg:00hour
do you think 767s can evaporate?
do you think a president should stay reading to a 2nd grade class after the nation is obviously under attack? was he trying to 'protect' the children? wouldnt those same kids find out about this shortly after so what was bush's motivation to stay?
did satam's passport really flutter out of flight 175 and land pristine on the manhattan sidewalk?
did babs olson make those phone calls or did her hubby, ted, who now is on his 4th wife lie?
you are welcome to come in here, but if you want to take shots, then join in and give us your views instead of the incessant ad hominems that never address cogent issues.
thanx
gregg:00hour
Gregg, I've always been on your side, I'm just not going to let it overtake my life, man.
You guys parade around in here posting every scrap of information you find on the matter. Can none of it be wrong? You have such a hard-on for the government fuking us over, that you will swallow anything else!
Look, I have said all along that "the people" want to believe their leaders would not lead them astray. To that end, it is pretty easy to pull anything over on "us". I think you would agree, by virtue of your stance on this issue alone.
But, as I have also said before, where do we go if you are right? We mow this government under, and then what? Whose gonna run things? You?........You, Lt Agent?
You pretend to want to peel back the cover, and know the "truth", but deep down? Deep down, I think you know that the truth would have to scare the shit out of you. You'd be standing like a naked kid on the corner looking for mommy and daddy.
The sinister shadows may be easy to see in the daylight, but when you chase them into the dark........they disappear, and you're alone in the dark. You don't want to be there anymore today, than you did when you were six.
You are wasting your time, my friend, and as much as you hate to hear it, it is as factual as the towers being brought down..........It's true. You don't want to believe it. And I can't make you see the light.
Sound familiar?
You guys parade around in here posting every scrap of information you find on the matter. Can none of it be wrong? You have such a hard-on for the government fuking us over, that you will swallow anything else!
Look, I have said all along that "the people" want to believe their leaders would not lead them astray. To that end, it is pretty easy to pull anything over on "us". I think you would agree, by virtue of your stance on this issue alone.
But, as I have also said before, where do we go if you are right? We mow this government under, and then what? Whose gonna run things? You?........You, Lt Agent?
You pretend to want to peel back the cover, and know the "truth", but deep down? Deep down, I think you know that the truth would have to scare the shit out of you. You'd be standing like a naked kid on the corner looking for mommy and daddy.
The sinister shadows may be easy to see in the daylight, but when you chase them into the dark........they disappear, and you're alone in the dark. You don't want to be there anymore today, than you did when you were six.
You are wasting your time, my friend, and as much as you hate to hear it, it is as factual as the towers being brought down..........It's true. You don't want to believe it. And I can't make you see the light.
Sound familiar?
You kinda lost me there on the whole naked on the street corner deal:mj03:
Has there been a lot of things posted that might be 'out there', sure. But each one poses another angle that supports Gov't fraud. This entire thing isn't going to boil down to 3 or 4 posts. I made up my mind some time ago on how I think it all went down. My hanging on in this thread has been to refute the morons that absolutely refuse to believe this could ever happen. For god sakes 6-5 doesn't think it's possible to alter a live video feed!:00x10
As for the what now, I don't think this thread is going to change the world, nor will the truth about all this come out for 50 or so years just like Pearl Harbor. As for what now for me personally, I hear Canada is beautiful this time of year, AND I could go back to Pinny and the -105:grins:
I will continue to argue with the dopes that think our Gov't is incapable of an act like this.
ok my man, the way you worded it made it appear different, sorry if i misunderstood, but your rejoinder shows you are ok doing nothing and willing to accept what imgonna post after this ... i do disagree that not talking about it is as good as bringing to light the facts .... we need to educate people and trust me this is not my life altho the naysayers seem to think bc i read on it and paste and comment its all i have going hehe ...
take care
gregg
take care
gregg
yyz, i guess youd rather deal with this
yyz, i guess youd rather deal with this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=J9LjGcNImU0
January 4, 2008
Jane Harman and Liberty's Lost Light
Thinking for Yourself is Now a Crime
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
What was the greatest failure of 2007? President Bush's "surge" in Iraq? The decline in the value of the US dollar? Subprime mortgages? No. The greatest failure of 2007 was the newly sworn in Democratic Congress.
The American people's attempt in November 2006 to rein in a rogue government, which has committed the US to costly military adventures while running roughshod over the US Constitution, failed. Replacing Republicans with Democrats in the House and Senate has made no difference.
The assault on the US Constitution by the Democratic Party is as determined as the assault by the Republicans. On October 23, 2007, the House passed a bill sponsored by California Democratic congresswoman Jane Harman, chairwoman of a Homeland Security subcommittee, that overturns the constitutionally guaranteed rights to free expression, association, and assembly.
The bill passed the House on a vote of 404-6. In the Senate the bill is sponsored by Maine Republican Susan Collins and apparently faces no meaningful opposition.
Harman's bill is called the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act."When HR 1955 becomes law, it will create a commission tasked with identifying extremist people, groups, and ideas. The commission will hold hearings around the country, taking testimony and compiling a list of dangerous people and beliefs. The bill will, in short, create massive terrorism in the United States. But the perpetrators of terrorism will not be Muslim terrorists; they will be government agents and fellow citizens.
We are beginning to see who will be the inmates of the detention centers being built in the US by Halliburton under government contract.
Who will be on the "extremist beliefs" list? The answer is: civil libertarians, critics of Israel, 9/11 skeptics, critics of the administration's wars and foreign policies, critics of the administration's use of kidnapping, rendition, torture and violation of the Geneva Conventions, and critics of the administration's spying on Americans. Anyone in the way of a powerful interest group--such as environmentalists opposing politically connected developers--is also a candidate for the list.
The "Extremist Beliefs Commission" is the mechanism for identifying Americans who pose "a threat to domestic security" and a threat of "homegrown terrorism" that "cannot be easily prevented through traditional federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts."
This bill is a boon for nasty people. That SOB who stole your girlfriend, that hussy who stole your boyfriend, the gun owner next door--just report them to Homeland Security as holders of extreme beliefs. Homeland Security needs suspects, so they are not going to check. Under the new regime, accusation is evidence. Moreover, "our" elected representatives will never admit that they voted for a bill and created an "Extremist Belief Commission" for which there is neither need nor constitutional basis.
That boss who harasses you for coming late to work--he's a good candidate to be reported; so is that minority employee that you can't fire for any normal reason. So is the husband of that good-looking woman you have been unable to seduce. Every kind of quarrel and jealousy can now be settled with a phone call to Homeland Security.
Soon Halliburton will be building more detention centers.
Americans are so far removed from the roots of their liberty that they just don't get it. Most Americans don't know what habeas corpus is or why it is important to them. But they know what they want, and Jane Harman has given them a new way to settle scores and to advance their own interests.
Even educated liberals believe that the US Constitution is a "living document" that can be changed to mean whatever it needs to mean in order to accommodate some new important cause, such as abortion and legal privileges for minorities and the handicapped. Today it is the "war on terror" that the Constitution must accommodate. Tomorrow it can be the war on whomever or whatever.
Think about it. More than six years ago the World Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked. The US government blamed it on al Qaeda. The 9/11 Commission Report has been subjected to criticism by a large number of qualified people--including the commission's chairman and co-chairman.
Since 9/11 there have been no terrorist attacks in the US. The FBI has tried to orchestrate a few, but the "terrorist plots" never got beyond talk organized and led by FBI agents. There are no visible extremist groups other than the neoconservatives that control the government in Washington. But somehow the House of Representatives overwhelmingly sees a need to create a commission to take testimony and search out extremist views (outside of Washington, of course).
This search for extremist views comes after President Bush and the Justice (sic) Department declared that the President can ignore habeas corpus, ignore the Geneva Conventions, seize people without evidence, hold them indefinitely without presenting charges, torture them until they confess to some made up crime, and take over the government by declaring an emergency. Of course, none of these "patriotic" views are extremist.
The search for extremist views follows also the granting of contracts to Halliburton to build detention centers in the US. No member of Congress or the executive branch ever explained the need for the detention centers or who the detainees would be. Of course, there is nothing extremist about building detention centers in the US for undisclosed inmates.
Clearly the detention centers are not meant to just stand there empty. Thanks to 2007's greatest failure--the Democratic Congress--there is to be an "Extremist Beliefs Commission" to secure inmates for Bush's detention centers.
President Bush promises us that the wars he has launched will cause the "untamed fire of freedom" to "reach the darkest corners of our world." Meanwhile in America the fire of freedom has not only been tamed but also is being extinguished.
The light of liberty has gone out in the United States.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.
yyz, i guess youd rather deal with this
http://youtube.com/watch?v=J9LjGcNImU0
January 4, 2008
Jane Harman and Liberty's Lost Light
Thinking for Yourself is Now a Crime
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
What was the greatest failure of 2007? President Bush's "surge" in Iraq? The decline in the value of the US dollar? Subprime mortgages? No. The greatest failure of 2007 was the newly sworn in Democratic Congress.
The American people's attempt in November 2006 to rein in a rogue government, which has committed the US to costly military adventures while running roughshod over the US Constitution, failed. Replacing Republicans with Democrats in the House and Senate has made no difference.
The assault on the US Constitution by the Democratic Party is as determined as the assault by the Republicans. On October 23, 2007, the House passed a bill sponsored by California Democratic congresswoman Jane Harman, chairwoman of a Homeland Security subcommittee, that overturns the constitutionally guaranteed rights to free expression, association, and assembly.
The bill passed the House on a vote of 404-6. In the Senate the bill is sponsored by Maine Republican Susan Collins and apparently faces no meaningful opposition.
Harman's bill is called the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act."When HR 1955 becomes law, it will create a commission tasked with identifying extremist people, groups, and ideas. The commission will hold hearings around the country, taking testimony and compiling a list of dangerous people and beliefs. The bill will, in short, create massive terrorism in the United States. But the perpetrators of terrorism will not be Muslim terrorists; they will be government agents and fellow citizens.
We are beginning to see who will be the inmates of the detention centers being built in the US by Halliburton under government contract.
Who will be on the "extremist beliefs" list? The answer is: civil libertarians, critics of Israel, 9/11 skeptics, critics of the administration's wars and foreign policies, critics of the administration's use of kidnapping, rendition, torture and violation of the Geneva Conventions, and critics of the administration's spying on Americans. Anyone in the way of a powerful interest group--such as environmentalists opposing politically connected developers--is also a candidate for the list.
The "Extremist Beliefs Commission" is the mechanism for identifying Americans who pose "a threat to domestic security" and a threat of "homegrown terrorism" that "cannot be easily prevented through traditional federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts."
This bill is a boon for nasty people. That SOB who stole your girlfriend, that hussy who stole your boyfriend, the gun owner next door--just report them to Homeland Security as holders of extreme beliefs. Homeland Security needs suspects, so they are not going to check. Under the new regime, accusation is evidence. Moreover, "our" elected representatives will never admit that they voted for a bill and created an "Extremist Belief Commission" for which there is neither need nor constitutional basis.
That boss who harasses you for coming late to work--he's a good candidate to be reported; so is that minority employee that you can't fire for any normal reason. So is the husband of that good-looking woman you have been unable to seduce. Every kind of quarrel and jealousy can now be settled with a phone call to Homeland Security.
Soon Halliburton will be building more detention centers.
Americans are so far removed from the roots of their liberty that they just don't get it. Most Americans don't know what habeas corpus is or why it is important to them. But they know what they want, and Jane Harman has given them a new way to settle scores and to advance their own interests.
Even educated liberals believe that the US Constitution is a "living document" that can be changed to mean whatever it needs to mean in order to accommodate some new important cause, such as abortion and legal privileges for minorities and the handicapped. Today it is the "war on terror" that the Constitution must accommodate. Tomorrow it can be the war on whomever or whatever.
Think about it. More than six years ago the World Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked. The US government blamed it on al Qaeda. The 9/11 Commission Report has been subjected to criticism by a large number of qualified people--including the commission's chairman and co-chairman.
Since 9/11 there have been no terrorist attacks in the US. The FBI has tried to orchestrate a few, but the "terrorist plots" never got beyond talk organized and led by FBI agents. There are no visible extremist groups other than the neoconservatives that control the government in Washington. But somehow the House of Representatives overwhelmingly sees a need to create a commission to take testimony and search out extremist views (outside of Washington, of course).
This search for extremist views comes after President Bush and the Justice (sic) Department declared that the President can ignore habeas corpus, ignore the Geneva Conventions, seize people without evidence, hold them indefinitely without presenting charges, torture them until they confess to some made up crime, and take over the government by declaring an emergency. Of course, none of these "patriotic" views are extremist.
The search for extremist views follows also the granting of contracts to Halliburton to build detention centers in the US. No member of Congress or the executive branch ever explained the need for the detention centers or who the detainees would be. Of course, there is nothing extremist about building detention centers in the US for undisclosed inmates.
Clearly the detention centers are not meant to just stand there empty. Thanks to 2007's greatest failure--the Democratic Congress--there is to be an "Extremist Beliefs Commission" to secure inmates for Bush's detention centers.
President Bush promises us that the wars he has launched will cause the "untamed fire of freedom" to "reach the darkest corners of our world." Meanwhile in America the fire of freedom has not only been tamed but also is being extinguished.
The light of liberty has gone out in the United States.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review.
I have to be okay doing nothing. To me, it's like walking down a lonely highway. All of the sudden, a car comes speeding up from behind, and tosses a bag of shit on me, as they speed by. What am I going to do? Run after them? No, I'm going to clean the shit off of me as best I can, and move on down the road. Sure, I might wish I had a car to catch "them"........but I don't.
Trust me Gregg, you don't have a car.
Trust me Gregg, you don't have a car.
good analogy yyz, but lemme ask you this, do you just remain quiet, no sudden movements and live in a country where you just accept everything and watch loved ones possibly going to jail for voicing their dissent... just curious how you feel about it spiritually etc ...
just when you see this thread starting to fall down the page and die.... back it comes with more silliness.
:mj16: :soapbox:
:mj16: :soapbox:
I don't believe that will happen.
The real question, Gregg? Who do you stand up against? If I feel a smack in the head, and see you hit me, it's simple........the shit you are conjuring up, really isn't. So who do you make your stand against?
do you think with all the information shared about 9/11 etc that its stalled the neocons going into iran.
Do you think that with the stalling of invading iran that there will be yet another "false flag" operation to open the doors to invade Iran?
pt1gard,
Interesting question. Myself I really doubt that's the case. I don't think our side ever had any intention of going to war with Iran. Spythe web had a thread back in Nov when things were "heating up" that I responded to.
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I'd still be pretty shocked if we attacked Iran anytime soon. I'm still of the belief that most of this saber rattling is simply oil PRICE manipulation rhetoric.
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Even now without going to war, just talking about it keeps the price high.
Spy, I think that's pretty much the extent of it.
What surprises me the most is that YOU, of all people, are falling for that crap.
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lol.....I wonder how many jokers beat their heads against their typewriters in the old days when folks fell for the WARREN COMM's official version of events.
