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think for myself, how many times did you bend over for your wife and fellow marines :mj07: or then again i guess you like it:142smilie ... what did you think of griggs saying your beloved leader's first choice for the 911 commission rammed marines in tents, which she got out of her hubby's diary
 
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Well, I guess at least you are maintaining your standard of only discussing trivial things that are over 4 years old.

Such as:
my comment one day back in '03 about strap ons.
your fraudulent 'research' of 19 Rector
Your 'research' on 75% of the rescue dogs dying
Your 'research" that we have killed 90% of the Iraqi population
Your buddy Bruno Sammartino and his mystery Joe Deluca evil cloned twin

so basically, everything I just listed above you have cited, yet none of them are true.

Put your superman under-oos on and go back to bed.
 
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you are a complete moron, marine ... i never said 90% of the population; you have the reading comprehension IQ of nothing ... i said 90% of the people your crazy military murders are innocent civilians, how many times have i written that as you misinterpret it time and again .... and you said no dogs have died, thats a lie ... i sent you a video where a woman said 30% of the dogs have died... have you listened to any programs that have stated dogs have and are dying from the toxicity ... you dont answer anything and have been proven a fraud 100xs to the minor things you focus on ... anyone with an open mind has seen me reduce you to rubble time and again and watched you run and cry to jack or your hillbilly pal ...

why dont you get mrsammos email? bc you know he will make you look like a neophyte.


you want a laugh, listen to chris rock expose your hero

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auqRgzuLaK8&feature=related
 
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so how does a plane fly 5' off ground at 520 mph

so how does a plane fly 5' off ground at 520 mph

that is the official conspiracy version by your heroes the neocons, help me out you oh so intelligent ones :00hour :mj07:


you guys shut your yap when you cant dispute the truth this evil regime perpetuates, you run and hide and then post pics like the hillbilly bc people like UGA are mindless and know absolutely nothing about 9/11 and how it was orchestrated and the ramifications ... so judgy, you puppet, tell me about the london bombings, what similarities have you discovered between them and 9/11?

you brain addled neocons amuse me to no end



watch these very short films and report back with all your proven truths:142smilie

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UVyGHeMtIfQ

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zAwtmun_aj8
 
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pt1gard said:
judgy come on back and explain this?

you are a charlatan gatekeeper yourself and you know it ... dispute all this why dont you, mr. expert :mj07: i mean you know more than all these others:shrug:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LRDDHzc2bg&eurl=http://911blogger.com/node/14062


Engineer Sees Evidence of Extreme Temperatures in WTC Steel
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Submitted by Shoestring on Mon, 02/25/2008 - 3:31pm.
World Trade Center debris

A structural engineer who was a member of the team assembled by the American Society of Civil Engineers to investigate the World Trade Center site after 9/11 has described numerous phenomena indicating extremely high temperatures suffered by the WTC structural steel. This appears to be further evidence that high-temperature explosives, such as thermate, were used to bring down the towers.

Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl is a professor of civil and environmental engineering at the University of California at Berkeley, who specializes in studying structural damage done by earthquakes and terrorist bombings. He flew to New York on September 19, 2001 to conduct a two-week reconnaissance of the collapsed towers, hoping to gain an understanding of how they'd come down. He was able to examine numerous pieces of steel taken from Ground Zero. [1]

He said the towers were exceptionally well designed and built, describing the WTC as "the best-designed building I have ever seen." [2] Yet the structural steel had suffered unusual warping and other major damage:

Astaneh-Asl said that steel flanges "had been reduced from an inch thick to paper thin." [3]

At a recycling center in New Jersey, he saw 10-ton steel beams from the towers that "looked like giant sticks of twisted licorice." [4] He showed the San Francisco Chronicle a "banana-shaped, rust-colored piece of steel" that had somehow "twisted like toffee during the terrorist attack." [5]
He noted the way steel from the WTC had bent at several connection points that had joined the floors to the vertical columns. He described the connections as being smoothly warped, saying, "If you remember the Salvador Dali paintings with the clocks that are kind of melted--it's kind of like that." He added, "That could only happen if you get steel yellow hot or white hot--perhaps around 2,000 degrees." [6]
In an interview in 2007, Astaneh-Asl recalled, "I saw melting of girders in [the] World Trade Center." [7]
He found a foot-long twisted shard of steel that was "like a piece of bread, but it was high-strength steel." He commented, "I haven't seen anything like this [before]." [8]
He came across "severely scorched [steel] members from 40 or so floors below the points of impact [by the planes]." [9]
The fireproofing that had been used to protect the WTC steel also showed evidence of extreme conditions. In some places it had "melted into a glassy residue." [10]
Astaneh-Asl saw a charred I-beam from WTC Building 7--a 47-story skyscraper that collapsed late in the afternoon of 9/11, even though no plane hit it. "The beam, so named because its cross-section looks like a capital I, had clearly endured searing temperatures. Parts of the flat top of the I, once five-eighths of an inch thick, had vaporized." [11]
These observations indicate that the World Trade Center steel was subjected to very high temperatures. Yet, while postulating that the towers collapsed due to fire (and without the use of explosives), even Thomas Eagar--an engineering professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology--admitted, "The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel." [12] One must conclude that the phenomena observed by Astaneh-Asl are therefore highly suspicious.

It may well have been because it offered such revealing clues that the remaining structural steel from the World Trade Center was so rapidly destroyed, being shipped abroad as scrap to be melted down and recycled. CBS News described: "The [cleanup] operation--which began days after the collapse, okayed by then-New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani--goes on 24 hours a day, seven days a week. As a result, Astaneh has almost certainly missed seeing crucial pieces before they were cut up and sent overseas." [13] As the New York Times reported, the steel scrap was worth "only a few million dollars, a tiny fraction of the billions of dollars the cleanup" was going to cost. Yet the knowledge that could have been gained from it "could save lives in a future disaster." [14]



heres the entire thread and more vids proving jets could have not brought down the buildings to anyone who isnt a sheaple or neocon and open minded :00hour

http://911blogger.com/node/14062
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While I promised myself to refain from posting in this ridiculous thread, I have to chime in here as I find it ironic that ptgard1 continues to refer to those that do not buy into the conspiracy theories as ?sheeple? while he merrily goes about copying and pasting ridiculous, unproven drivel from a variety of less than credible sources.

His reference to Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl?s work is a classic example of his all-consuming desire to find a shred of evidence to support his preposterous claims without even bothering to research Dr. Astaneh-Asl?s position on the collapse. Below, is his testimony before the House Committee on Science regarding his research on the 9/11 attack. I will follow this post with another article on Dr. Astaneh-Asl?s position which clearly does not align with our resident Chicken Little?s.


Testimony of Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl
Professor Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering University of California, Berkeley
Before the Committee on Science of the U.S. House of Representatives

March 6, 2002 Hearing on ?Learning from 9/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center?

It is a great honor for me to testify here today and address specific questions listed in your letter (in Italic below) regarding my involvement in the post disaster investigation of the World Trade Center.

What role did you play in the investigating the collapse of the WTC buildings and what do you expect to produce from your effort? How did you arrange NSF funding for your work, and how was that arranged so quickly?

My involvement in the investigation of the collapse of the World Trade Center is to conduct a reconnaissance of the collapsed and damaged WTC buildings and to collect the perishable data. The main objectives of the reconnaissance are to learn as much as possible from the actual collapsed structures and to document the failure modes and performance of the members and connections as well as quality of the construction. The purpose of collecting the perishable data is to collect material samples, photographs, videotapes, drawings and data on design, construction and collapse. Using the information collected and by conducting the necessary analyses and research, we try to establish probable causes of the collapse and most likely scenario for such collapse.

Our project was funded by the Directorate of Engineering of the National Science Foundation as one of the eight Quick Response Research Awards in the aftermath of the WTC collapse. These projects focus on structural engineering (our project at UC-Berkeley), fire engineering, social aspects and response and recovery. More information on these projects can be found at www.nsf.gov. We prepared and submitted our proposal to the National Science Foundation three days after the 9/11 events and it was reviewed and funded by the end of the week. The credit for such a fast preparation, submittal, review and funding of these research projects should be given equally to the staff at the universities involved as well as the Program Directors and staff of the National Science Foundation. The use of ?Fastlane? electronic submittal process of the NSF also expedited the process tremendously. So far, I have made three trips to NYC and spent a total of about 25 days there conducting field investigation and collecting data. Upon arrival to NYC on September 19, and after visiting Ground Zero and paying my respects and prayers to the victims, I started my reconnaissance and collection of the perishable data. I have collected some data on design and construction of the WTC and have met and discussed the case with the structural engineers who have designed the WTC Buildings. Thanks to cooperation of the HSNE recycling plant, I have been able to study the steel from the WTC before recycling. I have identified and saved some components of the structures that appear to have been subjected to intense fire or impact of fast moving objects. Figures 1 through 4 show examples of inspected structures. These critical pieces are saved as perishable data and can be used in future research.

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Please describe the impediments that you encountered during the investigation of the collapse of the WTC buildings, such as the loss of material from the WTC site and any effects of such impediments on your work.

I wish I had more time to inspect steel structure and save more pieces before the steel was recycled. However, given the fact that other teams such as NIST, SEAONY and FEMA-BPAT have also done inspection and have collected the perishable data, it seems to me that collectively we may have been able to collect sufficient data. The main impediments to my work were and still are:
1. Not having a copy of the engineering drawings and design and construction documents.
2. Not having copies of the photographs and videotapes that various agencies might have taken during and immediately after the collapse.

Such data has already been made available to ASCE Building Performance Assessment Team. If those are also available to us, we will be able to proceed further with our research. Figure 5 shows an example of analysis of performance of generic steel high-rise structure subjected to the impact of a 747 jetliner and the ensuing fire. The example demonstrates the power of advanced technology developed in aerospace and mechanical engineering that can be brought to bear on this problem. We plan to use the drawings and the data and the software used in the example to build a computer based realistic model of the World Trade Center towers and analyze their response to simulated impact of the 767 planes that crashed into them on 9/11 and the ensuing fire.

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Should the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and/or Congress develops a more comprehensive protocol for how to conduct investigations in response to natural disasters and/or terrorist attacks?

The earthquake engineering community has conducted post disaster investigations very successfully and systematically within the Earthquake Engineering Research Institute and funded by NSF and FEMA for several decades. As a result of such post-disaster investigations, the lessons learned and the continued research and technology developments, great advances have been made in mitigating earthquake hazard. The approach taken in earthquake engineering can equally be applied to investigation of damage due to terrorist attacks as well as to minimizing consequences of such attacks. Due to criminal nature of terrorist attacks and higher priority placed on criminal investigation over engineering investigation, it appears that there is a need for a protocol to govern the availability of information and access to the site as well as interaction of the crime investigators and researchers investigating the scientific and engineering aspects of the terrorist attacks.

What areas of research into the WTC collapse still need to be addressed, and what is the most appropriate way to handle these needs?

There are short term and long-term research needs into the WTC collapse. In short term, there is a need for a comprehensive, in-depth and research-oriented study of the WTC buildings from the time of plane impact, through the ensuing fire and the final collapse. Such studies not only should focus on structural and fire engineering aspects, but also social and human aspects of the tragedy as well. A broad based team of researchers and engineers from academia, government agencies and private sector, with expertise in various aspects of the problem need to be assembled to conduct such studies. In my opinion, such studies need to be directed by federal entities such as National Science Foundation (NSF) and/or National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) that are involved in directing and conducting scientific and engineering research. In December, the National Science Foundation sponsored a workshops organized by the Institute for Civil Infrastructure Systems of the New York University to identify research needs for future research related to WTC. A list of workshop recommendations can be found at www.nsf.gov. I participated at the workshop and feel that funding research in those areas will result in learning many valuable lessons from this tragedy and will result in significant improvements in the structural design, construction, fire protection, evacuation, fire fighting, rescue and recovery efforts, debris removal and many other aspects of protection of buildings and occupants against terrorist attacks.

In the long term, there is a need for major and sustained funding to conduct basic and applied research on various aspects of terrorist attacks. Such research activities can result in development of scientific methods and technologies to assure life safety, prevent catastrophic collapses and massive loss of lives and minimize the impact of such attacks on the national economy and security. Last months, NIST held a workshop to identify research needs related to evaluation of performance and protection of buildings during intense fires. I also participated at this workshop and feel that the research areas identified at the workshop are very important in providing engineers and architects with the technologies to protect tall buildings, their occupants and firefighter and rescuers against catastrophic fires and resulting collapse.

In the aftermath of 9/11 tragedy and the hazard posed by terrorist attacks to public safety and the economical well being of the U.S. is not much different than the hazard posed by other ?extreme events? such as major earthquakes three or four decades ago. In the case of seismic hazard mitigation, Congress, by providing sufficient funding to the National Science Foundation and other agencies involved, has enabled research and engineering community to develop efficient and economical technologies to mitigate seismic hazard and to prevent catastrophic loss of lives. To prevent catastrophic consequences of terrorist attacks, we need to develop and fund a long-term plan of research, perhaps modeled after seismic research programs developed and supported over the years by NSF and FEMA, and in the field of protection of built environment against terrorist attacks.

Has the confidential nature of the FEMA?s Building Performance Assessment Team investigation made it more difficult to gain access to materials that might be useful, such as private videotapes?

I have not been provided with the information made available to the FEMA Building Performance Assessment Team. This includes, videotapes and photographs taken on 9/11and the following days and copies of the engineering drawings. At this time, having the videotapes, photographs and copies of the drawings not only is useful, but also is essential in enabling us to conduct any analysis of the collapse and to formulate conclusions from our effort.

I have been the Principal Investigator in conducting research on damage and collapse of several major buildings and bridges in the aftermath of earthquakes. I understand and respect the concerns of owners, designers, builders and those who are responsible for safe operation of these structures for possible legal ramifications of findings of our research investigations. However, the main objective of our research is to understand how the WTC buildings failed and learn lessons that can be used to prevent such collapses in the future. Never before have my research results have been used in any legal proceedings. However, to allay any concerns that any findings of our research project might increase the liabilities of the City, Port Authority or Silverstein, the data on these structures could be provided to the Principal Investigator (myself) on a propriety basis. The Principal Investigator would keep the data and provide the other members of the research team with the information on a need-to-know basis. I have followed similar procedures to the satisfaction of parties involved in conducting research on major buildings and bridges subjected to earthquakes and blasts due to terrorist attacks. I would like to take this opportunity and thank Chairman Boehlert and members of the Committee on Science for inviting me to testify. I would like now to welcome any questions that you may have.
 
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