Pt I thought this would be a welcome addition. Look at some of these people who are also disbelievers. Boy you would think it was only you, me, and Agent that cooked up this bizarre scenario. Hell, there is even a Marine who has big time doubts.
WHY IS THE 911 "FRINGE" MOVEMENT SO MAINSTREAM?
By Devvy Kidd, devvyk@earthlink. net
October 25, 2007
"It just didn't make any sense to me... When one starts using his own
mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the
official story." September 5, 2007 - U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' pilot, Commander
Ralph Kolstad
On October 19, 2007, some individuals in the audience of a taping of
the Bill Maher show disrupted the airing; Maher joined security in removing
these folks from the building. I know little about Maher and have never
subscribed to any of the so-called premium channels like HBO on moral
grounds. The individuals removed wanted Maher and his guests to talk about
911. The aftermath was a fresh barrage of verbal missiles aimed at anyone
with questions about 911. Useful idiot, John Gibson, of the FAUX (FOX)
Network, refers to people with reasonable questions about 911 as "ragtag
conspiratorialists."
Bill O'Reilly and his stable of regular commentators always refer to
those seeking the truth about 911 as conspiracy wackos; the "fringe element"
that no one takes seriously. He is particularly nasty and often hysterical
in his tirades. They all pull out Rosie O'Donnell as the poster child to
bolster their rants. Following along with the rest of these mindless robots
comes Glen Beck. Uh, who? Beck does a show on CNN's News Network. I'm not
sure who would waste their time watching him after having scanned his show a
couple of times for a total of five minutes, but apparently he has some sort
of audience or he'd be off the air. Beck is a documented 911 truth basher.
His latest statement on his web site reads: "Bill Maher's nasty spat with
some 9/11 conspiracy nut jobs was a nuisance on live TV, but are these
conspiracy theorists a menace to society? You bet they are."
Beck also has a poll up on his site with the question: "Conspiracy
Craziness: Anyone who believes our government could have successfully
planned 9/11 is not only giving them too much credit, but they're also
insane. Do you agree or disagree?" Oops, Mr. Glen. The results as I work
this column: I agree: 2,279. I disagree: 7,045. It would appear Beck's own
audience doesn't even agree with him. Wait, it gets better. On his show
October 22, 2007, he said:
"Anybody who thinks that 9/11 was carried out by the government isn't
a truther. They're idiots....These truthers are exactly the kind of people
who want to rock this nation's foundation, tear us apart and plant the seeds
of dissatisfaction in all of us....Oh, no, don't get me wrong, I think they
do believe it, which is why I believe these guys are dangerous. I believe
these guys are anarchists that are looking to tear us apart. I mean, this
is -- this is the kind of group that a Timothy McVeigh would come from."
According to all these high paid "experts" on "mainstream" and cable
network television, anyone who has reasonable questions about what really
happened on 911 is not only outside the "mainstream" of society, but would
have been an advocate of Timothy McVeigh. Here's just a few of these
"fringe" wackos so maligned by the aforementioned:
Bob McIlvaine, father of Robert McIlvaine, Assistant Vice President,
Merrill Lynch, WTC North Tower, 106th floor. Interview by Evan Solomon, CBC
News 8/30/06: Bob McIlvaine: "I believe 100% that the U.S. orchestrated 9/11
with the help of other agencies around the world. But my blame goes to the
United States because it happened in the U.S. There's people within the U.S.
that knew it happened, that planned this to happen."
Bill Doyle - father of Joseph Doyle, Cantor Fitzgerald, WTC North
Tower. Article 8/6/05: "I honestly don't believe the government story.
During another interview, Doyle said: The 9/11 Commission is probably the
worst representation of the 9/11 Families or for that matter all the
American public because it's a sham. It really is.... We had tons of
different questions that we asked them to ask. They wouldn't do it. And the
continuing cover-up is just beyond belief... There's just such a continuing
coverup. And why don't we just let the information about 9/11 be known? And
then maybe this conspiracy type of thing would go away, but it's never going
to go away or I don't think it can go away because they were complicit..."
Michelle Little, sister of Firefighter David M. Weiss, FDNY, Rescue
Company 1, Midtown Manhattan, lost his life trying to rescue others from the
World Trade Center the day of the attacks. Press Conference, National Press
Club 9/12/06: "I am here today to call for the facts of September 11, 2001
to be released to the American public. ... The time is now to call upon all
the Americans to lobby local media to cover this story and to pressure
members of Congress to support legislation by reopening this investigation.
We must hold those involved accountable for this atrocious tragedy. My
brother, David, and ten brothers from his unit were murdered on 9/11. For
them and for all of our mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, aunts and
uncles that died that day, it is imperative for their lives to know the
truth."
Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps. Retired U.S. Marine
Corps fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown. 20-year Marine
Corps career. "This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's
about our country, our constitution, and our future. ... Your countrymen
have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as
though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to
murder other people thousands of miles away. If you ridicule others who have
sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts
the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys
to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a
9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful to check into the facts yourself, what
does that make you?"
Barry Zelman, brother of Kenneth Zelman, Oracle Corp., on assignment
at Marsh & McLennan, WTC North Tower, 99th floor. Speech given at The
Citizens' Commission on 9-11, 9/9/04: "I just embrace people that understand
that four airplanes an hour and half between the first impact and the second
impact with zero military response in the United States. It didn't happen
that way. It couldn't have happened that way. You're talking about the most
intelligent agencies that we have on the face of the earth. State of the art
agencies ... And there was zero military response? ...It's very transparent
that our own president did not want to investigate this tragedy. And I'm
standing before you today for one reason. The only thing that I can give my
brother is the truth. That's it."
Donna Marsh O'Connor, mother of Vanessa Lang Langer, Regus Business
Center, WTC South Tower. Press Conference, National Press Club 9/12/06:
"This government has made me a victim of conspiracy theories because they
haven't answered fully, or allowed anyone to ask the true questions of
September 11th. And that's what I'm asking from you [members of the media]
today; for exposure. We are not crazy. We have questions. We demand answers
...We're asking for a new investigation into the events of September 11th
and this time a truly bipartisan, global--with families invested from the
beginning, middle and though out the end."
Those Americans are just a tiny number of not only family members, but
fire fighters, first responders, professionals such as engineers, pilots,
former military, aviation experts and demolitions experts from every walk of
life, every race, religions and different political parties. Are they all
part of a fringe element out of their minds by asking questions? How about
seven veteran CIA personnel who call the official version of 911 a joke,
monstrous lies and a cover up? You can read the statements of 190 Americans
who ARE mainstream folks and this includes the spontaneous statements of
fire fighters who heard bombs go off in the underground (basement) of the
World Trade Towers by clicking here.
Are we to believe that thousands of Americans who have read the 911
(Omission) Commission Report and family members who have been intimately
involved in the farce called an "official investigation" are all Bush
haters? That they are all nuts, wackos, the "fringe of society" and
advocates of Timothy McVeigh? According to Dan Abrams, Bill O'Reilly, Sean
Hannity, Alan Colmes, Glen Beck, John Gibson and others, they are. Without a
doubt a whole cottage industry has blossomed over 911 and a great deal of it
is simply trash, misleading, disinformation and some of it sickening, i.e.,
on Flight 93: "Find da plane, da plane!" like it's some sort of game. How
insulting to the loved ones who lost someone on Flight 93.
As someone who has spent a substantial amount of time, including a
cross country trip to Pennsylvania to look into Flight 93, it's been
difficult to separate credible research from those profiting from 911. On my
web site is an index of all my 911 columns; see link section below. I have
never stated that Bush knew in advance or planned 911. However, I do believe
that Dick Cheney and Rudy Julie Annie must be hauled in front of a real
grand jury. If you read, Crossing the Rubicon, by Mike Ruppert, you will
understand why I take this position. You don't have to agree with Ruppert's
assessment on peak oil because there are strong advocates for both sides of
that argument and so much conflicting information and statistics. But, his
research about that day, backed up by footnotes for his sources - especially
the military exercises - is critically important.
A new slide show is now available for viewing for free on the
Internet. As you'll see on slide one, Richard Gage leads the way. Gage is a
member of the American Institute of Architects. There are 318 slides in this
presentation. This slide presentation is endorsed by dozens of others in his
profession (list on slides 3 & 4) demanding a real investigation. Are they
ALL Bush haters? The fringe element of society? This slide show contains a
few film clips from what I believe is far and away the best presentation on
the twin towers and aspects of what really happened that day: 911 Mysteries
Demolitions. You can watch the parts here and I strongly recommend every
American with a computer take the time to watch this unbiased presentation.
I know time is an issue for everyone, but the weekend is coming. Please book
mark this column and take the time to watch 911 Mysteries Demolitions and
Richard Gage's 9/11: Re-examining the 3 WTC High-rise Building "Collapses"
slide show.
See this picture of the Murrah Building in OKC? That building was
blown from the inside out. Anyone with two eyes can see this building was
NOT blown up by a "truck bomb" parked 50' away from the front doors. The
guilty are still walking around free, protected by the U.S. Government (U.S.
Department of Justice, FBI and elected public officials). When you view
Gage's slide show, remember OKC because it's the same scenario: The Murrah
building was not blown from the outside and the twin towers did not fall
from fire weakening steel. For those who believe the bilge published by
Popular Mechanics on 911, I submit to you than once you view 911 Mysteries
and Gage's slide presentation, you will see for yourself that a "mainstream"
publication put their name and repuation on biased trash.
Besides the family members, do people really think individuals like
Gage have nothing better to do with their time than put together a
professional slide show on a complicated issue like this? Because they're
all Bush haters? Because they have no life and "need" to believe some
conspiracy theory? Let YOUR eyes be the judge of what is real and what is a
lie. Every piece of draconian legislation nullifying the Bill of Rights and
the unconstitutional invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are a result of 911.
Thousands of these family members and professionals have signed petitions
for a real, unbiased investigation. Despite the old smear tactics from the
"mainstream" media anchors mentioned above, millions of Americans do not
believe the fairy tale told by the U.S. government and its minions who work
for paychecks instead of the truth.
High paid mouthpieces like Bill O'Reilly continue to chant that to
question 911 is hurtful to the families and that family members who lost
loved ones that day are insulted by anyone asking reasonable questions. I
will leave you with these words from two people Glen Beck considers a menace
to society:
Rosemary Cain, mother of Firefighter George C. Cain, Ladder Company 7,
Manhattan, FDNY. "It is our right to know, as the families of those who paid
the highest price. We demand to stop the lies so they can rest in peace. The
truth must be known. They did not die in vain!"
Daniel Wallace (1984 - 2007), son of Lt. Robert Wallace, Engine 205,
Ladder 118, FDNY. Speech 12/3/06: "Ever since that day, I believed the
official story for all about 2 minutes. I always had my questions. My family
had their questions. The government sent us the 9/11 Commission or I should
say omissions, really. They sent us that. I read the whole thing. As I'm
reading the whole thing; it was just incredible; the lies in this book... It
hurt me to read this book....
"The truth: to actually be out there knowing that I'm fighting for
something that's right and something that's American. That's the American
way. ... My father was a true patriot and I will follow in his footsteps.
I'm gonna try so hard. I'm gonna try to the death of me to get him justice.
Not only him, but the three thousand others that died, too. ... My father
was a patriot. I'm a patriot and everybody in this room that believes in
truth and wants to find justice is a patriot. Because this is America. It is
of the people; for the people; and by the people. And that's the America I
know and that's the America that I'm gonna defend, no matter what."
Important links:
Petition for new investigation
1 - Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report
2 - Statement of family members, fire fighters and professionals
3 - Complete 911 Timeline
4 - Pilots for Truth
5 - Resolution of Flight 93 lawsuit
6 - 911 Archives
7 - Crossing the Rubicon
8 - Dr. Steven Jones - Use of thermite
9 - The New Pearl Harbor Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to
Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
(2007)
10 - Gutless Attorney General Eliot Spitzer refuses to investigate
murder in his back yard
http://www.newswith views.com/ Devvy/kidd317. htm
WHY IS THE 911 "FRINGE" MOVEMENT SO MAINSTREAM?
By Devvy Kidd, devvyk@earthlink. net
October 25, 2007
"It just didn't make any sense to me... When one starts using his own
mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the
official story." September 5, 2007 - U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' pilot, Commander
Ralph Kolstad
On October 19, 2007, some individuals in the audience of a taping of
the Bill Maher show disrupted the airing; Maher joined security in removing
these folks from the building. I know little about Maher and have never
subscribed to any of the so-called premium channels like HBO on moral
grounds. The individuals removed wanted Maher and his guests to talk about
911. The aftermath was a fresh barrage of verbal missiles aimed at anyone
with questions about 911. Useful idiot, John Gibson, of the FAUX (FOX)
Network, refers to people with reasonable questions about 911 as "ragtag
conspiratorialists."
Bill O'Reilly and his stable of regular commentators always refer to
those seeking the truth about 911 as conspiracy wackos; the "fringe element"
that no one takes seriously. He is particularly nasty and often hysterical
in his tirades. They all pull out Rosie O'Donnell as the poster child to
bolster their rants. Following along with the rest of these mindless robots
comes Glen Beck. Uh, who? Beck does a show on CNN's News Network. I'm not
sure who would waste their time watching him after having scanned his show a
couple of times for a total of five minutes, but apparently he has some sort
of audience or he'd be off the air. Beck is a documented 911 truth basher.
His latest statement on his web site reads: "Bill Maher's nasty spat with
some 9/11 conspiracy nut jobs was a nuisance on live TV, but are these
conspiracy theorists a menace to society? You bet they are."
Beck also has a poll up on his site with the question: "Conspiracy
Craziness: Anyone who believes our government could have successfully
planned 9/11 is not only giving them too much credit, but they're also
insane. Do you agree or disagree?" Oops, Mr. Glen. The results as I work
this column: I agree: 2,279. I disagree: 7,045. It would appear Beck's own
audience doesn't even agree with him. Wait, it gets better. On his show
October 22, 2007, he said:
"Anybody who thinks that 9/11 was carried out by the government isn't
a truther. They're idiots....These truthers are exactly the kind of people
who want to rock this nation's foundation, tear us apart and plant the seeds
of dissatisfaction in all of us....Oh, no, don't get me wrong, I think they
do believe it, which is why I believe these guys are dangerous. I believe
these guys are anarchists that are looking to tear us apart. I mean, this
is -- this is the kind of group that a Timothy McVeigh would come from."
According to all these high paid "experts" on "mainstream" and cable
network television, anyone who has reasonable questions about what really
happened on 911 is not only outside the "mainstream" of society, but would
have been an advocate of Timothy McVeigh. Here's just a few of these
"fringe" wackos so maligned by the aforementioned:
Bob McIlvaine, father of Robert McIlvaine, Assistant Vice President,
Merrill Lynch, WTC North Tower, 106th floor. Interview by Evan Solomon, CBC
News 8/30/06: Bob McIlvaine: "I believe 100% that the U.S. orchestrated 9/11
with the help of other agencies around the world. But my blame goes to the
United States because it happened in the U.S. There's people within the U.S.
that knew it happened, that planned this to happen."
Bill Doyle - father of Joseph Doyle, Cantor Fitzgerald, WTC North
Tower. Article 8/6/05: "I honestly don't believe the government story.
During another interview, Doyle said: The 9/11 Commission is probably the
worst representation of the 9/11 Families or for that matter all the
American public because it's a sham. It really is.... We had tons of
different questions that we asked them to ask. They wouldn't do it. And the
continuing cover-up is just beyond belief... There's just such a continuing
coverup. And why don't we just let the information about 9/11 be known? And
then maybe this conspiracy type of thing would go away, but it's never going
to go away or I don't think it can go away because they were complicit..."
Michelle Little, sister of Firefighter David M. Weiss, FDNY, Rescue
Company 1, Midtown Manhattan, lost his life trying to rescue others from the
World Trade Center the day of the attacks. Press Conference, National Press
Club 9/12/06: "I am here today to call for the facts of September 11, 2001
to be released to the American public. ... The time is now to call upon all
the Americans to lobby local media to cover this story and to pressure
members of Congress to support legislation by reopening this investigation.
We must hold those involved accountable for this atrocious tragedy. My
brother, David, and ten brothers from his unit were murdered on 9/11. For
them and for all of our mothers and fathers, sisters and brothers, aunts and
uncles that died that day, it is imperative for their lives to know the
truth."
Lt. Col. Shelton F. Lankford, U.S. Marine Corps. Retired U.S. Marine
Corps fighter pilot with over 300 combat missions flown. 20-year Marine
Corps career. "This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's
about our country, our constitution, and our future. ... Your countrymen
have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as
though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to
murder other people thousands of miles away. If you ridicule others who have
sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts
the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys
to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a
9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful to check into the facts yourself, what
does that make you?"
Barry Zelman, brother of Kenneth Zelman, Oracle Corp., on assignment
at Marsh & McLennan, WTC North Tower, 99th floor. Speech given at The
Citizens' Commission on 9-11, 9/9/04: "I just embrace people that understand
that four airplanes an hour and half between the first impact and the second
impact with zero military response in the United States. It didn't happen
that way. It couldn't have happened that way. You're talking about the most
intelligent agencies that we have on the face of the earth. State of the art
agencies ... And there was zero military response? ...It's very transparent
that our own president did not want to investigate this tragedy. And I'm
standing before you today for one reason. The only thing that I can give my
brother is the truth. That's it."
Donna Marsh O'Connor, mother of Vanessa Lang Langer, Regus Business
Center, WTC South Tower. Press Conference, National Press Club 9/12/06:
"This government has made me a victim of conspiracy theories because they
haven't answered fully, or allowed anyone to ask the true questions of
September 11th. And that's what I'm asking from you [members of the media]
today; for exposure. We are not crazy. We have questions. We demand answers
...We're asking for a new investigation into the events of September 11th
and this time a truly bipartisan, global--with families invested from the
beginning, middle and though out the end."
Those Americans are just a tiny number of not only family members, but
fire fighters, first responders, professionals such as engineers, pilots,
former military, aviation experts and demolitions experts from every walk of
life, every race, religions and different political parties. Are they all
part of a fringe element out of their minds by asking questions? How about
seven veteran CIA personnel who call the official version of 911 a joke,
monstrous lies and a cover up? You can read the statements of 190 Americans
who ARE mainstream folks and this includes the spontaneous statements of
fire fighters who heard bombs go off in the underground (basement) of the
World Trade Towers by clicking here.
Are we to believe that thousands of Americans who have read the 911
(Omission) Commission Report and family members who have been intimately
involved in the farce called an "official investigation" are all Bush
haters? That they are all nuts, wackos, the "fringe of society" and
advocates of Timothy McVeigh? According to Dan Abrams, Bill O'Reilly, Sean
Hannity, Alan Colmes, Glen Beck, John Gibson and others, they are. Without a
doubt a whole cottage industry has blossomed over 911 and a great deal of it
is simply trash, misleading, disinformation and some of it sickening, i.e.,
on Flight 93: "Find da plane, da plane!" like it's some sort of game. How
insulting to the loved ones who lost someone on Flight 93.
As someone who has spent a substantial amount of time, including a
cross country trip to Pennsylvania to look into Flight 93, it's been
difficult to separate credible research from those profiting from 911. On my
web site is an index of all my 911 columns; see link section below. I have
never stated that Bush knew in advance or planned 911. However, I do believe
that Dick Cheney and Rudy Julie Annie must be hauled in front of a real
grand jury. If you read, Crossing the Rubicon, by Mike Ruppert, you will
understand why I take this position. You don't have to agree with Ruppert's
assessment on peak oil because there are strong advocates for both sides of
that argument and so much conflicting information and statistics. But, his
research about that day, backed up by footnotes for his sources - especially
the military exercises - is critically important.
A new slide show is now available for viewing for free on the
Internet. As you'll see on slide one, Richard Gage leads the way. Gage is a
member of the American Institute of Architects. There are 318 slides in this
presentation. This slide presentation is endorsed by dozens of others in his
profession (list on slides 3 & 4) demanding a real investigation. Are they
ALL Bush haters? The fringe element of society? This slide show contains a
few film clips from what I believe is far and away the best presentation on
the twin towers and aspects of what really happened that day: 911 Mysteries
Demolitions. You can watch the parts here and I strongly recommend every
American with a computer take the time to watch this unbiased presentation.
I know time is an issue for everyone, but the weekend is coming. Please book
mark this column and take the time to watch 911 Mysteries Demolitions and
Richard Gage's 9/11: Re-examining the 3 WTC High-rise Building "Collapses"
slide show.
See this picture of the Murrah Building in OKC? That building was
blown from the inside out. Anyone with two eyes can see this building was
NOT blown up by a "truck bomb" parked 50' away from the front doors. The
guilty are still walking around free, protected by the U.S. Government (U.S.
Department of Justice, FBI and elected public officials). When you view
Gage's slide show, remember OKC because it's the same scenario: The Murrah
building was not blown from the outside and the twin towers did not fall
from fire weakening steel. For those who believe the bilge published by
Popular Mechanics on 911, I submit to you than once you view 911 Mysteries
and Gage's slide presentation, you will see for yourself that a "mainstream"
publication put their name and repuation on biased trash.
Besides the family members, do people really think individuals like
Gage have nothing better to do with their time than put together a
professional slide show on a complicated issue like this? Because they're
all Bush haters? Because they have no life and "need" to believe some
conspiracy theory? Let YOUR eyes be the judge of what is real and what is a
lie. Every piece of draconian legislation nullifying the Bill of Rights and
the unconstitutional invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are a result of 911.
Thousands of these family members and professionals have signed petitions
for a real, unbiased investigation. Despite the old smear tactics from the
"mainstream" media anchors mentioned above, millions of Americans do not
believe the fairy tale told by the U.S. government and its minions who work
for paychecks instead of the truth.
High paid mouthpieces like Bill O'Reilly continue to chant that to
question 911 is hurtful to the families and that family members who lost
loved ones that day are insulted by anyone asking reasonable questions. I
will leave you with these words from two people Glen Beck considers a menace
to society:
Rosemary Cain, mother of Firefighter George C. Cain, Ladder Company 7,
Manhattan, FDNY. "It is our right to know, as the families of those who paid
the highest price. We demand to stop the lies so they can rest in peace. The
truth must be known. They did not die in vain!"
Daniel Wallace (1984 - 2007), son of Lt. Robert Wallace, Engine 205,
Ladder 118, FDNY. Speech 12/3/06: "Ever since that day, I believed the
official story for all about 2 minutes. I always had my questions. My family
had their questions. The government sent us the 9/11 Commission or I should
say omissions, really. They sent us that. I read the whole thing. As I'm
reading the whole thing; it was just incredible; the lies in this book... It
hurt me to read this book....
"The truth: to actually be out there knowing that I'm fighting for
something that's right and something that's American. That's the American
way. ... My father was a true patriot and I will follow in his footsteps.
I'm gonna try so hard. I'm gonna try to the death of me to get him justice.
Not only him, but the three thousand others that died, too. ... My father
was a patriot. I'm a patriot and everybody in this room that believes in
truth and wants to find justice is a patriot. Because this is America. It is
of the people; for the people; and by the people. And that's the America I
know and that's the America that I'm gonna defend, no matter what."
Important links:
Petition for new investigation
1 - Seven CIA Veterans Challenge 9/11 Commission Report
2 - Statement of family members, fire fighters and professionals
3 - Complete 911 Timeline
4 - Pilots for Truth
5 - Resolution of Flight 93 lawsuit
6 - 911 Archives
7 - Crossing the Rubicon
8 - Dr. Steven Jones - Use of thermite
9 - The New Pearl Harbor Debunking 9/11 Debunking: An Answer to
Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory
(2007)
10 - Gutless Attorney General Eliot Spitzer refuses to investigate
murder in his back yard
http://www.newswith views.com/ Devvy/kidd317. htm
