a quick poll--need some input

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Yeah, pt1gard that's pretty much how I see it...
maintaining the system. As far as "forcing them to trial", THAT I can't see happening. Seems to me that the big boys have a pretty good handle on things. As crooked as the system may be, it still works pretty good for most of us here IMO.
 

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speaking of losing minds whatever happened to the imagined deaths of the twin nephews or nieces of the big fat liar FDC when the tyke phantoms were lost at the pentagon on flight 77 but then all the dna was put back together after everything was initially reported as evaporated... he was championing the Bush shills lies with his own whoppers :mj07: :mj07: ... is that indicative of the offical story representatives, so desperate they have to invent stories to combat the truth of the murdering neoncons:00hour

i guess we will never know bc he was vanquished with shame dripping from his bitter chin
 
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CIA rejects claim it sought Osama deal before 9/11
( 2003-11-14 11:47) (Reuters)



The CIA rejected as fantasy claims in a new book that it tried to negotiate a non-aggression pact with Osama bin Laden just two months before the September 11, 2001 airliner attacks against the United States.


Richard Labeviere, author of "The Corridors of Terror," released on Thursday, says the CIA's Dubai station chief approached bin Laden while the al Qaeda leader was being treated for a serious kidney complaint in the United Arab Emirates.



Bin Laden is seen at an undisclosed location in this file photo released November 10, 2001. [Reuters]
He said the meeting took place in the American Hospital in Dubai on July 12, barely eight weeks before al Qaeda militants slammed fuel-laden hijacked airliners into the Pentagon and New York's World Trade Center, killing almost 3,000 people. "Such an allegation is sheer fantasy, no such thing occurred," CIA spokesman Mark Mansfield said, echoing an earlier rebuttal by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency of French media reports in October 2001 about the alleged Dubai meeting.


Labeviere said he learned of an encounter from a contact in the Dubai hospital, and said the event was confirmed in detail during a separate interview in New York with a Gulf prince who presented himself as an adviser to the Emir of Bahrain.


The prince, who the author met in a Manhattan hotel in November 2001, appeared very well-informed about the CIA-bin Laden meeting.


Labeviere said the second contact told him the face-to-face had been arranged by Prince Turki al-Faisal, the head of the Saudi General Intelligence Department.


He quoted the second contact as saying:


"By organizing this meeting...Turki thought he could start direct negotiations between the Saudi millionaire (bin Laden) and the CIA on one fundamental point: that bin Laden and his supporters end their hostilities against American interests."


In exchange, the CIA and the Saudi (intelligence) services undertook to allow bin Laden to return to his native country, even though he was stripped of his Saudi nationality in July 1994. The Dubai meeting was a failure, Labeviere said.


The Saudi intelligence chief was sacked in the wake of the September 11 attacks.


Labeviere named Larry Mitchell as the CIA station chief who met bin Laden, describing him as a colorful figure well-known on the Dubai social circuit.


Mitchell left the Gulf state on July 15, 2001 and Labeviere said CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, had told him the operative was unavailable for interview because he was on his honeymoon.


At the time, bin Laden had a multi-million dollar price on his head for his suspected role in the 1998 bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa that killed 224 people.


Bin Laden was treated between July 4 and July 14 in the urology department of a kidney specialist at the American Hospital, Labeviere said, adding that the hospital denied this.
 

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TT,

you are right bc only 5 per cent are open minded enough or not too lazy to figure things out ... they said it was app. that same 5 per cent that tipped the american revolution, most were sheaple like the shill stooges in here, but what the heck they are happy scratching their scrotum, watching nascar, and drinking pabst
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speaking of losing minds whatever happened to the imagined deaths of the twin nephews or nieces of the big fat liar FDC when the tyke phantoms were lost at the pentagon on flight 77 but then all the dna was put back together after everything was initially reported as evaporated... he was championing the Bush shills lies with his own whoppers :mj07: :mj07: ... is that indicative of the offical story representatives, so desperate they have to invent stories to combat the truth of the murdering neoncons:00hour

i guess we will never know bc he was vanquished with shame dripping from his bitter chin
Speaking of losing minds... whatever happened to that 19 Rector building?
 

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I bet you really hate me pt1gard.

I don't let you pass of your filth as truth.

Does it piss you off and make shame flow from your mouth when you argue about 19 Rector building as the crux of the fake video feed... for days....
only to find out that it has been completely debunked MONTHS ago?
You're grasping at straws yet again, and you are just piling on more shit to try to avoid responding to it.

it's ok, i am going to remind you everytime you post.
 

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marine,

you debunking me ... why dont you answer the simple ones instead of crowing your lil non wins ...

did a pristine passport come twirling out at shanksville and the wtcs ...

did babs olson make those calls

why do the heads of the 9'11 commssion state they were set up to fail

did usa military train the boxcutters at military installations

was is possible to make cell phone calls at 30,000 feet on flight 93

did todd beamer ever say 'lets roll' ... even the lying stooge woman, lisa jefferson, a gte surpervisor, who took his call said he never uttered that phrase, the same call where when asked do you want to speak to your pregnant wife, the true hero, todd beamer, said, 'no, i dont want to worry her':mj07: weeks later on a furtive handhsake lisa beamer was given the rights to 'LETS ROLL' a slogan made up by the neocons to curry public sentiment and rush onward to rake afghani and iraqi innocents with DU ... she netted a bundle and was happy

where is the plane at the pentagon, why did jamie mcintyre change his live story on sept. 11th on not seeing any debris then state 5 years later he did see debris

why wont they release any film from the 83 cameras on the pentagon--the moussaoi trial is over, that was your hero's original lie

how did OBL go from being the prime suspect to never being a suspect, again according to your hero who reads of goats ... dyk he was never wanted for 9/11 by the fbi:shrug:

who is tim osman, jar noggin'

marine, please tell me why they cant find any of the indestructable parts--that are always recovered on plane crashes--at shanksville, wtcs, and the pentagon

why did they rush the steel away from the wtcs and not test it for thermite and more

why did the epa say the air was safe at ground zero only to compromise thousands of workers health and initiate death

why did bush stay in the classroom and risk the kids lives while national security was at stake, did he really not want to 'upset' the lil ones:shrug: wouldnt they find out about the towers in 10 minutes, or when you are 8 do you even notice those things

marine, why is sibel edmonds the most gagged person ever

marine why did atta's father state that he talked to his son after 9/11

why was it widely reported that as many as 7 hijackers are still alive and that the fbi chief mueller even later admitted maybe they didnt have all the right boxcutters

how could planes evaporate twice on same day when it had never happened before ... and how could they then lift fingerprints from an evaporated plane at the pentagon and match all the victims dna from inside the flight 77

how does a 757 fit into a 16' hole and knock down light poles and then have its flight traced at being 200' higher then it couldve actually have been if it flew perpendicular to the pentagon lawn and didnt leave scorch marks while going at an unreal speed 5' off the ground:142smilie

was hani capable fo such luke skywalker deeds

why did these boxcutters that were so devout that they would die for their allah do coke and booze and hookers

why didnt the pilots use the proper procedures for a hijacking, setting their codes that take 2 seconds

why did all four planes take off with 23 per cent passenger capacity when any flight attendant would tell you on a transcon they wouldve never taken off

where are the airport security cams ... and why was the airport secuirty run by mossad linked outfits

why didnt any hijackers appear on the original manifests

how did they board without being issued a ticket

why were there power outs at the wtcs immediately prior to 9/11 when they never happened before according to workers

why did norad stand down for 90 mins on 9/11 after successfully intercepting 67 outta 67 planes the previous year then go 0-4 that day

why did norm mineta testify that cheney was in white house bunker 40 minutes before cheney said he was

why was cheney giving obvious stand down orders not to intercept whatever was coming at the pentagon

if hani was such a great pilot and these boxcutters so sharp, why did they hit the least populated part of the pentagon when rumsfeld and many other big wigs were on the opposite side just waiting to be had

why did guiliani get warned to flee the wtc grounds while the rest of the tragic sacrificial lambs were slaughtered inside the building under the auspices of being told it was safe to stay

marine, why were there explosions BEFORE the plane hit the wtc, yes william rodriguez the biggest hero of 9/11 has stated that many times ...

ARSE BUCCANEER, you are such a pigeon and have no business debating experts, you find one thing every so often on some other shill site that you think debunks us, but the truth is you never answer any of the above ... these are all my own words, try debunking them ... take a good swing, and dont run for once ... you have nothing and never will, you think i hate you, i laugh at langleys such as yourself ... you prove us right every day bc you are an ostrich afraid of the neocons' shadow :00hour
 
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over half of your "thoughtful questions" have been debunked many times over.

Jamie Mcintyre for example... another PERFECT example of the quote mining you do. Here's the full story behind it:

I have discussed previously the topic of quote mining, which is where the filmmakers take a quote from a source out of context, to make it appear that they support their conspiracy theory, ignoring the rest of what they said that would completely contradict their theories. There are some previous examples of this here, here, here, (yawn) and here.

Here is yet another example, regarding the supposed lack of a plane crash at the Pentagon, at the 16:23 mark:


Dylan: "Fourth. Why is there absolutely no trace of Flight 77?"

Unidentified speaker: "From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. The only site, is the actual side of the building that's crashed in. And as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon... "



The movie doesn't tell you, but the speaker is CNN's Pentagon correspondent Jamie McIntyre. From this quote we are obviously meant to presume that Mr. McIntyre believes there is no evidence at the Pentagon to indicate that a plane crash there. Is this true? Well let's look at what he says only a minute before this quote (emphasis mine):


And I took a look at the huge gaping hole that's in the side of the Pentagon in an area of the Pentagon that has been recently renovated, part of a multibillion dollar renovation program here at the Pentagon. I could see parts of the airplane that crashed into the building, very small pieces of the plane on the heliport outside the building. The biggest piece I saw was about three feet long, it was silver and had been painted green and red, but I could not see any identifying markings on the plane. I also saw a large piece of shattered glass. It appeared to be a cockpit windshield or other window from the plane.


Gee, why is this not in the movie? It is from the same CNN piece that Dylan and company got their previous quote from! Why was this left out?

Even Jamie McIntyre is angry that people are manipulating his words. From a report regarding last month's release of the video at the Pentagon.


MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN in which I -- myself -- appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building: From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. In fact, I was answering a question based on a eyewitness account who thought the American Airlines plane landed short of the Pentagon. I was indicated there was no crash site near the Pentagon only at the Pentagon


MCINTYRE AUDIO: The only site is the actual site of the building that's crashed in, quote 'the actual site of the building that's crashed in.'

MCINTYRE: In fact there were thousands of tiny pieces of the plane, and I personally photographed a piece of the fuselage and what appeared to be part of the cockpit.


If the evidence that the government is behind this is so convincing, why do they keep on having to lie to make their point? Pat and I have made over 200 posts on here debunking Loose Change, and you cannot point out a single case of us being dishonest like this, yet I can point out a half dozen examples in Loose Change, without have to think about it.

ok, so there is another item that makes you look like a dumbf*ck.

Now, as for the "hijackers still alive" bit... come on dude, a european newspaper ran that article a day after the bombings when a lot of stuff was unknown. They have since run a retraction and correction on the article. The only people that think there is real proof the hijackers are still alive are the ones desparately grabbing for some sort of truth.

OK, that's two.
why did all four planes take off with 23 per cent passenger capacity when any flight attendant would tell you on a transcon they wouldve never taken off

no way dude, please tell me that you did not really write this yourself. PLEASE! Show me a pattern of historical data proving that flights are cancelled because of a lack of enough people on them. You've hit yet another new low in your logic. What do you think happens to the people at the destination of that original flight that need to get somewhere?

that's three.

three strikes you are out.
throw in the 19 Rector building for a big FOUR
the first few i choose are so easily answered and make you look like a fool yet again. I'm not sure I want to do the entire list.

Here's a tip. Just because you don't understand something - does not mean that 'the government did it'
 

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you are pathetic marine, answer them all in your own words, you are wrong on mcintyre, i wont even give your ignorance a cursory bc you use trite-isms like three strikes you are out, or your feeble 'curiosity killed the cat' ...

talking in cliches is the first mark of a limited and arrested brain, please think for yourself for once instead of cutting and pasting falsehoods, ive heard mcintyres words live on both occassions ... but please debunk all my queries, when you say half have been debunked, and you 'try' to stalemate a trio, thats hardly showing your real marine intelligence ... you are a bottom line joke bc you do this every single time by thinking you answer one thing out of a litany ... like i said sponge was right, you use the same tactic everytime ... so dont duck this one, you're a farce ... answer all these that you can so easily debunk:mj07:

but you cant bc you are an artifice, a shiny object glinting off a single sunbeam, a one trick pony ...

again jar head,
answer all of these, dont cherry pick the 3 you think you can then use some axiom grandpas might use

step up and take a real swing, phony boy :00hour

ps who's debunked half of these, PM:142smilie
 
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no donkey, over half of them have been debunked by other "truth sites"

How come 19 Rector building isn't on your list of questions?

well, I simply cut and paste the ACTUAL FULL QUOTE OF MCINTYRE. forgive me for pasting the ACTUAL FULL QUOTE OF MCINTYRE AND NOT A SOUND BYTE.

the FA comment was my own
As are the "hijackers are still alive" issue.

If I were to address these all one by one, I would be here for weeks. The info is out there, its just that I don't see a point to trying to spoonfeed the truth to you and you will simply ignore things and move on to another list of farfetched ideas you have.

I'll be waiting for your rebuttal and blasphemy about transcon flights being cancelled for not having enough people on board
As well as some commentary on the 19 Rector building and flash of white light at the nose of the plane before impact.

after all, these are the "crux" of your arguements.
 

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please think for yourself for once instead of cutting and pasting falsehoods

this is a fvcking Gem here donkey.

a pure gem.

Do I need to go back and bring back up where you say you don't have time to research everything you cut and paste on here?
 

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OK, that's two.
why did all four planes take off with 23 per cent passenger capacity when any flight attendant would tell you on a transcon they wouldve never taken off

no way dude, please tell me that you did not really write this yourself. PLEASE! Show me a pattern of historical data proving that flights are cancelled because of a lack of enough people on them. You've hit yet another new low in your logic. What do you think happens to the people at the destination of that original flight that need to get somewhere?

Now you're drooping to the same level of dumbness as 6-5 , Marine, say it ain't so! You really think flights aren't canceled because they can't fill them? Have you ever flown before or are your feet planted permanently on the ground in Bowling Green the rest of your life like someone else we know? So they never cancel flights and put people on a later one or combine or re-route them eh?

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:


Oh and btw, Pt1Gard! shoots, he SCORESSSSSSS!!!

Game, set, match.....
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Now you're drooping to the same level of dumbness as 6-5 , Marine, say it ain't so! You really think flights aren't canceled because they can't fill them? Have you ever flown before or are your feet planted permanently on the ground in Bowling Green the rest of your life like someone else we know? So they never cancel flights and put people on a later one or combine or re-route them eh?

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :mj07:


Oh and btw, Pt1Gard! shoots, he SCORESSSSSSS!!!

Game, set, match.....
shootbb.gif


:sadwave: :sadwave: :sadwave:

I fly about every 3 weeks.

you seriously believe that they just cancel TRANSCON flights at the last minute because there are not enough people showing up for them?

ummmmmmm you are unbelievably stupid.

Try learning something about what you are talking about before you go shoving your foot in your mouth.
Flights could be cancelled in those situations if the city pairs are close enough to provide alternate transportation, or it is a commuter shuttle back and forth to the two cities daily.. but then think about the people on the other end... or the 20 people on board that have other ongoing connections... what happens then? Do you understand the ripple effect that it will cause by cancelling the flight? do you?

Now, keep in mind, that this has only recently started to occur in the 2005 time frame when fuel prices were skyrocketing. Go back to 2001 when fuel prices were not astronomical and you will find that the statement is ludicrous.

Edited to also add: I've been on about 7 flights in the past 2 years that have had less then 8 passengers on board.

Why weren't they cancelled?
 
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If I were to address these all one by one, I would be here for weeks.

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

Weeks? You have BEEN here for months!

You lurk on here bout 21.5 hours a day, just waiting to nitpick or 'debunk' any little thing Gregg or I say. Yet when he completely owns you, all in his own words, you come up empty. Zero, zilch, nada:142smilie Such a beautiful thing the way he owned you. I haven't seen ownage like that since the bashing days were alive and well.

Thanks to that post, I can ride off into the sunset knowing who the real jack ass is. The 'game' is over Marine, you lose. Continue your babble forever if you want, I won't be around here to read it.

Have a nice life....baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
 

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hey guys havent posted in ages, been doing hoop camps for kids all summer ... but was curious for your feedback on these 2 questions, might be slightly politically but wasnt sure if conspiracy is synonymous ...

anyhow,

A. do you think it was a plane that hit the pentagon and if so do you know where i can find eye witness reports supporting that


B. do you think the jets fuel couldve possibly melted the towers that fast ...


anyhow, have a lil bet on the pct. of these answers so would love to have as many of you reply as possible

all my best
gregg

just wanted to quote what the 1st post was fur myself

:mfpost

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Marine, I know it breaks your heart, but...

Marine, I know it breaks your heart, but...

According to post #1676 Agent is gone.

"...I won't be around to read it."

"Have a nice life...baaaaaaaaah"

I can't bellieve I come into this thread from time to time....

However, I admire you're willingness to stand up to the madness that continues to be thrown out as gospel.
 

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Donkey,

I'm still stumped. Where did I get owned?
I just don't see it?

Because he yammers on for days on end about the 19 rector building, I bring up good info for discussion and some real proof on the subject... he veers off course and sends me a laundry list of off the wall stuff...and avoids responding to yet another item he posts that is clearly full of shit...
that is being owned?

You'll be back, I have no doubts about that. How many times before have you said you had me on ignore?
You are like a battered housewife.
Just keep coming back for more.


Ownage - is posting for days about a topic, hammering on it, really make it a strong point of your arguement... and then finding out the entire world debunked it a year ago.
 

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According to post #1676 Agent is gone.

"...I won't be around to read it."

"Have a nice life...baaaaaaaaah"

I can't bellieve I come into this thread from time to time....

However, I admire you're willingness to stand up to the madness that continues to be thrown out as gospel.

thanks for the kind words.

Yea, it's rather silly of me I know. But, it's like my "smoke break" for non-smokers during the day... ya know?

I can only hope that I might have prevented just one person from being sucked into their sh*thole.
 
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