Annika Sorenstam

[TIME TO MAKE $$$]

Nice to see you around SKULLDOG....

I know one thing that is a LOCK, Annika would NEVER make any of my MOJO threads!
:nono:

 

[JT]

A friend of mine who is a scratch golfer and played competitive golf in the past told me she'll make the cut and finish under par up to possibly 10 under! He knows more about the game than me and I respect his opinion. We shall find out.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

1st Don't mind her playing but if she thinks she got the stuff that what they make Monday qualifying for,thats how "others" have to get in.

Women can play on mens but men can't play on womens? Ok I go for the arguement mens purses are bigger and women should have chance for big buck.So sensible thing is get rid of lpga and just have PGA where both compete equally.Won't get many women to go for that. Martha where are you on pitching your equal rights here.Ya I know!

Her stats: Totally misleading.As said by someone fairways twice as wide on lpga and when you consider driving you must consider carry which comes from power.Any fool who watched her and her female counterpart at battle of bighorn saw how inept they were from similiar tees and both bombed big time.The coupe de grace was on final hole when neither could carry 227 yard hazard to fairway.

So you all want to bet she makes the cut.Oddsmakers will give you 9/4 if she does.Maybe you know something they don't?

My opinion.Could care less. I am just getting sick of special interest groups and the like in their ambition for press coverage at expense of others to fill their agenda.They have their own tour,let them start their own privite club,men would be all for it with no complaints.Must be the ole penis envy thing.

---and while were at it can someone explain to me why boy and men do not whine about or try to infiltrate womens groups,yet women would want to belong to a meat beating society if someone started one.

No I am not prejudice.In fact we have 4 women in our local 513 Muff Diving union.--and they display our motto proudly.
"No muff too tough!
We dive at five"

 

[ussrv]

dtb

Women can play on mens but men can't play on womens? Ok I go for the arguement mens purses are bigger and women should have chance for big buck.So sensible thing is get rid of lpga and just have PGA where both compete equally.Won't get many women to go for that. Martha where are you on pitching your equal rights here.Ya I know!

Well said . Could not agree more.

 

[dr. freeze]

i will be putting the farm down that she misses the cut at anything less than 1:4

no way she makes it.....will have to have the tourney of her life under all kinds of pressure....not gonna happen

 

[Rudy]

There are lines out there now as to whether she will make the cut. Pinnacle's is typical:

YES: +370
NO: -430

That's a pretty tight line, albeit a lot to lay. And a long time to have the dough tied up since the tournament isn't until May 22. I have a few $$ on the NO.

 

[jcjrbowl]

I will say she makes the cut Mickleson thought she would be top 20 she is to accurate to get into trouble

 

[TheShrimp]

Some of you are really missing something here. Just because a 17 year old could play in the majors if he could hit 60 homers doesn't mean Barry Bonds should be able to play Legion ball. 41 year-olds can play in the "A" soccer league around here, but the 25 year olds can't play in the over 40 league. There are "sub leagues" in every sport that players can move up to, but not vice-versa.

Anyway, why are you guys getting your panties in a bunch? Are women getting too uppity for ya? Are they taking all our jobs? Why do you care?

LPGA is just a sub-league for golfers. It's marketed as women's golf, not women's and men's golf. If it is economically viable for the sponsors, TV stations, and members then its going to remain in existence. It will no longer function as what it's marketed as, if they allow men to play. And if its economically viable, why stop it and kill the golden goose? You don't just kill things that are profitable just because they're not the best.

If you're worried about the second-rate men's golfers, then start your own men's minor league PGA tour. If you can find sponsors, I'm sure you'd have a lot of people ready to play. Maybe you could even let the golfers pick their own name and you could call it the XGA.

And, if you have a problem with her sponsor's exemption, well, that's just money, man. Men get sponsor's exemptions. If the sponsor thinks its going to get more viewers because she's playing, then she's going to be playing. And if the ratings are excellent (which they will be if she makes the cut) then you better get used to her being there. Shoot, if the ratings are good enough, maybe she even starts getting appearance fees like Tiger does in Asia. How about that. Appearance fees for women at PGA events...

Finally, that's as far as my women's lib-ism goes. I think she gets crushed. Just because she SHOULD be able to try to compete with men doesn't mean she CAN compete. This ain't no Betty Crocker bake-off. It's a physical competition. I just hope she doesn't break down in tears when she misses the cut by 18 strokes. Give me some odds on that.

 

[Blazer]

Shrimp- I understand your point but I don't think my point got across. The "big leagues" NFL, NHL, NASCAR, PGA, MLB, NBA, etc... should not be Men only. These "big" leagues pay huge amounts of money to the athletes and drivers who compete in these events. If a woman is good enough let her play. If a sponsor wants a woman to drive or play let her. If we do anything else we will be called sexist. Honestly they desreve a shot. If they are good enough to win they deserve the big payday. If they look like fools they deserve to cry and be berrated on sites like this.

I proposed these "big leagues" be Open and then the smaller or "sub-leagues" could be divided upon sex, or race if you want (look at Black College Football for example).

Since I mentioned football. Lets solve Title 9 by making College Football Co-ed. If a female is good enough she should play.

That my friends is equal rights. No special treatment. Just whoever can run the fastest and score the most points.

 

[Jhpga]

This ain't no Betty Crocker bake-off. It's a physical competition. I just hope she doesn't break down in tears when she misses the cut by 18 strokes. Give me some odds on that.

I can see you havent played in any golf tournaments......scrambles excluded.Golf is 90% mental.....and Annika is in perfect golf shape to handle the physical side of the game.Is she strong as the men?????No but when she can average 265yd on the tee ball and putt as good as she does....I dont see her missing the cut by 18strokes...many PGA players have already stated they think she will play well...but what do they know?????

 

[SmashMouth]

I know won thing if she is tied with duvall or Mickleson in a playoff, my money is on the chick!!!

 

[KotysDad]

I havent seen the stats to verify this but I head some talking head on the radio claim that Annika isnt even in the top 30 on the LPGA tour for putting and sand saves. Is this true??

Also, if PGA courses tend to have faster and more firm greens (is this true also??), then laying -430 on the NO seems like the bargain of the century to me.

 

[fatdaddycool]

you know what equal rights fecal rights. equal rights are a two way street. There are plenty of invitationals on the womens circuit and wouldn't it be a nice supplemental income to some of the lesser mens golfers to go on the womens circuit and tear their asses up? Women want their rights to be equal only in the circles of their choice, gimme a break. It is considered to be equal as long as we still pay for the dates and bills. Do men have an equal chance at custody in divorce cases. Equal rights mean the men are not the only ones to go to jail in domestic disputes, and that women do real push ups in Marine Corps boot camp from the toes not the knees. Don't spew equal rights when we, me as a white American male is steadily losing mine and ours. Equal opportunity my ass, equal rights my ass. That is the single largest farce in todays society. When is the last time you didn't curl your lip when you heard a guy was a "stay at home Dad". You want to live a lie than do it but please don't tell me what equal rights are, because noone, and I mean noone, has ever seen equal rights in this or any country. Not true equal rights. What women have the right to now are not equal rights, more like the ability to point and say "hey thats not fair" only when they choose to.

 

[TORONTO-VIGILANTE]

well said Cris....

but don't even get me started on "ladies get in for free" at the clubs here in toronto...

fawk that, they are soooooooooooooooo catered to here in the club district.....

free cover....sometimes even free drinks.WTF?

and while i'm on the topic...when was the last time a woman bought me a beer and took advantage of me....????

ok, maybe the take advantage part was true....but........:brows:

 

[Jhpga]

I havent seen the stats to verify this but I head some talking head on the radio claim that Annika isnt even in the top 30 on the LPGA tour for putting and sand saves. Is this true??

Also, if PGA courses tend to have faster and more firm greens (is this true also??), then laying -430 on the NO seems like the bargain of the century to me.

She ranked 39th last year in putting.She averaged 29.6 putts and the 1st place averaged 28.6.So this is a NONFACTOR stat.What matters the most is her 68.7 scoring average.Almost -4 everytime she tees it up.

Now the PGA does play on faster greens and harder courses...so this will be a factor.The Colonial was won by Nick Price last year with a score of -13.The cut was at +3 .This should tell you that this is a difficult course.Some notables that missed the cut last year were Duval,Furyk,Howell III,and Sergio.So there wil be plenty of superstars that miss the cut.

I dont want to be confused at all with supporting women's equal rights.This is a PR move by the PGA...but Annika has earned the right to try to compete with the big boys.She didnt ask to play....they asked her.Im soooo sick of hearing Feminazi Burk and the NOW complaining about Augusta Country Club.This is the playground for the ultra rich.They bought the land and built the course with their own money....so no organization should have the right to tell them who they have to admit.Women can and do play golf there.I read where women played over 1000 rounds last year at Augusta.So please dont think I support Burk or Rev Jesse with their boycott ideas.And why is Rev Jesse fighting so hard to get a women admitted????He just loves the TV exposure.....Good luck on your no cut bet...but -430 is alot of chalk to lay in a 2 day golf tournament.You better hope she shoots her self in the foot day 1.Cause if she shoots anykind of good number on Day 1.....your money is SMOKED!!!!!!!!!!

 

[british bulldog]

I posted that you could bet her at 6/1 to make the cut, back after about an hour the book cut her to 5/2.

Dr Freeze I'll lay you -300

I have never read so much chauvanism in an article apart from a womans convention.

She is on the ladies tour what Tiger is on the men's. The men's tour is an open invition to all professional golfers, of what ever sex, race or handicap you have. As long as you achieved a status via the qualifying school there is no problem.

Stop harking on about the lesser players playing on the ladies tour. They have no chance, Why do you think it's called th LGPA. L = Ladies.

All of you, quitt the macho stuff. If she's good enough, then she should be allowed to compete. Don't judge her on one performance, give it time, she will have more top 25 finishes than missed cuts.

 

[dr. freeze]

what book is that at Bulldog? i will take that 5/2 and run to the bank....

course setup is huge too......can run the ball up onto the greens in LPGA.....pins in easier spots on flat greens......etc. etc......just wait for Colonial and watch her short game go into the toilet.....

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

In an interesting note we are going to have a guy from nationwide tour try and qualify for lpga US open.He's is no slouch either being a dominant player on Canadian tour and has a "58" to his credit on mini tour. He should fancy these ladies tees:lol:

I agree anyone should have their shot at any PGA event,my only bitch is they should qualify like anyone else,thus hats off to Whaley who qualified against men.Good for her she earned it.
I doubt seriously if Sorenstam would want to go thru embarrassment of failing to qualify.
---and you can throw lpga putting stats out on pga tour as greens are MUCH quicker and tougher to putt. How quickly we forget Sorenstam's putt at Battle of Bighorn on PGA speed greens. For those that have, she lagged from about 25 "feet" on the green and end up 25 "yards" in the fairway.

 

[fatdaddycool]

I have never read so much chauvanism in an article apart from a womans convention.

She is on the ladies tour what Tiger is on the men's. The men's tour is an open invition to all professional golfers, of what ever sex, race or handicap you have. .

Stop harking on about the lesser players playing on the ladies tour. They have no chance, Why do you think it's called th LGPA. L = Ladies.

All of you, quitt the macho stuff. If she's good enough, then she should be allowed to compete. Don't judge her on one performance, give it time, she will have more top 25 finishes than missed cuts.

First of all if the PGA is open to all regardless of handicap why did the guy with the bad legs whose name escapes me at the moment have to take them to court for riding in a cart?
Chauvanism? Macho stuff? Dude I am very happy you are in touch with the feminine movement and all I am truly touched, however the only thing that reeks of machoism is your reply. You feel we should coddle to women? Give em a break, let her play, geez whats the big deal? Right? O.K. bro if you are out of work, try to get a job at Hooters, or Curves for women as a personal trainer. Try to attain one of the clerical worker jobs that stain every classified ad section. Take an interview against a beautiful women for a promotion. Life is life and I am sorry that you have been blinded by the apathy of the male public to do anyhting but accept it. I have an idea. Write a sitcom that has a great looking hunk of a man married to a bumbling overweight dolt of a female that cannot handle her own finances or make her own decisions. the thing is we have all kinds of those shows on now it is just that the gender roles are reversed, but you tell me bulldog...which of the two ring more true? The man or the woman being the one who can't handle or won't handle finances? Doesn't make sound decisions such as buying a quilt when the electric bill is due? You want to play house and giggle along like everyone else than do it, be my guest. I choose to recognize my surroundings for what they are and make my decisions and formulate opinions on the truth. Make no mistake I love women too, and I treat my girlfriend very well and am equally respectful, I do not however, play the whole call you at happy hour and ask where I am crap or when are you going to be home, just as I don't do that to her. Equals are equals in all aspects of the game my friend.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Now ya all lighten up the the Bulldog a little,he is just stating an opinion and while I am somewhat in a difference of opinion I have respect for his opinion as he is very knowledgable capper and quite savvy in realm of golf
---it will be interesting to see if this nationwide player gets in lpga open. In article in USA today yesterday he said he had angle to get in but wouldn't let cat of bag on how yet. "IF" he does succeed how many will follow and dominate their open qualifying.
---and then what would happen if men finished top 4 in womens event.
Sorestam may have "opened" HUGE can of worms.
When she said she wished she could compete against men I don't think this is what she had in mind


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