gw, don't listen to jw & ever change your style....it's what makes you the outstanding poster that you are..:mj07:
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gw, don't listen to jw & ever change your style....it's what makes you the outstanding poster that you are..:mj07:
my sentence structure may suck.....but my spelling is impeccable.....
thank you, spillchickur......:thumb:
btw.....back to the original topic...just pulled this off the net:
"The Kuwaiti daily Awan reported, from a knowledgeable Arab source, that Imad Mughinyua was killed as he was preparing a car bomb.
The source said that Mughniya had prepared several car bombs for sending to Lebanon in order to prevent the March 14 Forces from holding a rally to mark the third anniversary of the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafiq Al-Hariri."...
lol...irony abounds......i hope the hoopty was still under maufacturers warranty.....
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"The Kuwaiti daily Awan reported, from a knowledgeable Arab source, that Imad Mughinyua was killed as he was preparing a car bomb.
The source said that Mughniya had prepared several car bombs for sending to Lebanon in order to prevent the March 14 Forces from holding a rally to mark the third anniversary of the assassination of former Lebanese prime minister Rafiq Al-Hariri."...
lol...irony abounds......i hope the hoopty was still under maufacturers warranty.....
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You are a regular Rebecca Sealfon when it comes to spelling, I'll give you that.
I'm working on it Smurph--usually in a hurry and figure most know what I'm trying to convey--and while I am aware where the spell check button is--to use it would be portraying an image of someone I'm not--and I have bigger prob with that than making a few spelling errors.
Wayne, I'd imagine that $10 million is a drop in the bucket if we were to examine the Bush/Saudi connection, but if you like, we can do that. The more problematic area of that is the closeness of the two families, what that can mean politically, the Bin Laden scenarios, his family immediately after 9-11, etc. Essentially, compromising ongoing security and decisions for a sitting president (if you are going to count Clinton, I guess I can throw in Bush I, right?) compared to taking money after out of office for library funds.
As for commenting on the other items, I can do that. I've never been much of a guy for pre-emptive attacks under questionable means, nor military action without provocation. So, it's probably a leap of faith to suggest that I would support Bush policies compared to Clinton policies in most cases.
I honestly think that our country would have done more in Pakistan and Afghanistan under Clinton after 9-11 until present day. You may think that's funny, but I really feel that way. I think he would have had a very strong response, militarily, and I think our forces would have not been pulled away to go into Iraq. So, honestly, I think we would have probably done better against Al-Qaida and Bin Laden under Clinton in Pakistan than under Bush. I have no way to know for sure, but I can easily draw some sensible conclusions. And of course, there would have been no reason for Al-Qaida to go to Iraq at all, so that's a non-issue. In many respects, we would have done better, with a more focused attack at where they were mostly located.
I'm honestly not all that familiar with Libya and Yemen - I assume we took a hard line under Bush. I've seen many things that have shown Libya's decisions had little to do with Dubbya's sabre rattling and more to do with pre-existing sanctions and the initial strategic strikes on that country.
I don't think much of what Bush did in NK, to go further. I think China has more control over any of that, and the local countries as well. I remember a couple of Nu-Cu-Lar tests AFTER some of Bush's more notorious comments and AFTER his labeling them one of the evil axis members, so not sure his position was that important.
I typed all this in from memory, without googling or linkage. So, I'm sure you can poke holes in my post. Just wanted to address your post since you say I avoid it. And NONE of any of what Bush has done has damaged our country abroad any more than the Iraq situation, IMO. So, we got that going for us, too, I guess...:shrug:
And, why stop with just the Bush family - billions in connections in the Bush administration and the Saudi's...the more the merrier, I guess. I don't suppose any of these characters have any interest in foreign and terror policy decisions and the Saudi's, do they?
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Another example of the complex web connecting U.S. and Saudi powerbrokers is Dick Cheney, who moved from the Pentagon to the international oil business and back as vice president last year.
After serving as the elder Bush's secretary of defense, Cheney was hired to run oil-services giant Halliburton Co., where he worked until he resigned last year to campaign with the younger Bush. In 2000, his last year with Halliburton, Cheney received $34 million when he cashed out from the company.
Not surprisingly, Halliburton's links to Cheney and other Washington power brokers appear to have helped the company's business prospects in the Middle East.
Just last month, Halliburton was awarded a $140 million contract to develop an oil field in Saudi Arabia by the kingdom's state-owned petroleum firm, Saudi Aramco, and a Halliburton subsidiary, Kellogg Brown & Root, along with two Japanese firms, was hired by the Saudis to build a $40 million ethylene plant.
Cheney isn't the only member of President Bush's inner circle whose work for firms connected to the Saudis has paid big dividends.
The current national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, is a former longtime member of the board of directors of another giant oil conglomerate with business in the Saudi desert, Chevron, which merged with Texaco this year. Rice even has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
Substantial profits received by U.S. leaders in private sector deals with the Saudis have helped to squelch criticism of the royal family's refusal to address the role its country has played in fueling Islamic terrorism, Lewis said.
``There's a disconnect there,'' Lewis said. ``I'm fascinated that we don't lay this at Saudi Arabia's doorstep. But the chances to cash in and the amount you can cash in for are starting to become absolutely astronomical. Who wants to look like the Boy Scout complaining about it and potentially jeopardize their own post-employment prospects?''
Former advisers to the president's father also hold key positions with U.S. firms which have teamed up with the Saudis on major oil deals.
Former Bush Secretary of the Treasury Nicholas Brady and a former Bush assistant, Edith E. Holiday, are both on the board of directors of Amerada Hess, an American petroleum firm currently teaming up with several powerful Saudi families to develop oil fields in Azerbaijan.
Another company that has done business with wealthy Saudis is international energy firm Frontera Resources Corp. based in Houston. Until recently, Frontera was a 30 percent investor in a $900 million project to develop oilfields in Azerbajian. Also investing in the project were Azerbaijan's state-run oil company and Delta-Hess, a joint-venture created by the Saudis' Delta Oil and Amerada Hess.
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Another example of the complex web connecting U.S. and Saudi powerbrokers is Dick Cheney, who moved from the Pentagon to the international oil business and back as vice president last year.
After serving as the elder Bush's secretary of defense, Cheney was hired to run oil-services giant Halliburton Co., where he worked until he resigned last year to campaign with the younger Bush. In 2000, his last year with Halliburton, Cheney received $34 million when he cashed out from the company.
Not surprisingly, Halliburton's links to Cheney and other Washington power brokers appear to have helped the company's business prospects in the Middle East.
Just last month, Halliburton was awarded a $140 million contract to develop an oil field in Saudi Arabia by the kingdom's state-owned petroleum firm, Saudi Aramco, and a Halliburton subsidiary, Kellogg Brown & Root, along with two Japanese firms, was hired by the Saudis to build a $40 million ethylene plant.
Cheney isn't the only member of President Bush's inner circle whose work for firms connected to the Saudis has paid big dividends.
The current national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, is a former longtime member of the board of directors of another giant oil conglomerate with business in the Saudi desert, Chevron, which merged with Texaco this year. Rice even has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
Substantial profits received by U.S. leaders in private sector deals with the Saudis have helped to squelch criticism of the royal family's refusal to address the role its country has played in fueling Islamic terrorism, Lewis said.
``There's a disconnect there,'' Lewis said. ``I'm fascinated that we don't lay this at Saudi Arabia's doorstep. But the chances to cash in and the amount you can cash in for are starting to become absolutely astronomical. Who wants to look like the Boy Scout complaining about it and potentially jeopardize their own post-employment prospects?''
Former advisers to the president's father also hold key positions with U.S. firms which have teamed up with the Saudis on major oil deals.
Former Bush Secretary of the Treasury Nicholas Brady and a former Bush assistant, Edith E. Holiday, are both on the board of directors of Amerada Hess, an American petroleum firm currently teaming up with several powerful Saudi families to develop oil fields in Azerbaijan.
Another company that has done business with wealthy Saudis is international energy firm Frontera Resources Corp. based in Houston. Until recently, Frontera was a 30 percent investor in a $900 million project to develop oilfields in Azerbajian. Also investing in the project were Azerbaijan's state-run oil company and Delta-Hess, a joint-venture created by the Saudis' Delta Oil and Amerada Hess.
