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Long story short a very close friend of mine for 20+ years has been battling with drugs for some time now(meth it appears). He has refused to go to rehab but has had several instances over the last couple of years where he looked like he was getting better. The other day his mother swore a warrant out on him as he was saying he was hearing voices and he was taken to a "treatment" center against his will where it appears he will be kept until tuesday. He has made the statements that everyone is against him and when he gets out he will do drugs and if he dies, he dies. Now over the years I have been one of the few people that has stood by him and he felt comfortable talking to because A) I didn?t "preach" to him, and B) we have been through thick and thin with one another and he knows the skeletons in my closet as well. I spoke to his mother and she basically said she didn?t think he would survive this latest downturn. When she told me he wouldn?t speak to anyone I told her I was on my way to the treatment center that he would talk to me. When I arrived I convinced one of the guys working there to go tell him I was there and that I would like to speak with him. When he came back he told me that he didnt want to see me either. I tried everything from friendship, length of drive to get there, and the fact that this is do or die for him and none of it mattered, they simply wouldn?t let me see him without his consent. The orderly told me he has only been out of bed long enough to eat and then he goes right back to bed and will have contct with no one. I am posting this mostly to vent as I understand the need to want help before you can get it, but I guess I am also hoping to get lucky and someone who may have experience with this type of situation may have an idea that has not been tried. I have lost two former students/players in the past two years to drugs and it is heartbreaking knowing that I am about to lose one of my closest friends.
 
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One of my buddies died last year under related circumstances. My friend was as successful professional, so he masked his problems well. Unfortunately, as you indicated, it is unlikely your friend will turn it around until he decides to do so himself.

Best of luck to your friend, his family and you.
 

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I'm glad that shit (meth) ain't around here I hear stories of how it's hard to stop using it.
Have seen peoples faces scarred and eaten away.
Sorry for your friend doesn't he have anything else to live for :shrug:
 

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Any suggestions?

Yeah, Make sure he doesn't come out of there on Tuesday, he isn't ready. Period.

And I know this for a fact.

Hopefully he connects with the right mind to help him through this mess.

Help his mom out in keeping him in there getting the help he needs.

All the best.
 

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Yeah, Make sure he doesn't come out of there on Tuesday, he isn't ready. Period.

And I know this for a fact.

Hopefully he connects with the right mind to help him through this mess.

Help his mom out in keeping him in there getting the help he needs.

All the best.

His mother has tried to have him arrested multiple times for his own good and they have said the same thing the treatment center is saying now. They are not going to hold him if he doesnt consent to it. I agree he doesnt need to be released, but the bottom line is if the doctor he sees deems him to have a drug problem and not a psychological problem then unfortunantly he will be leaving tuesday. They wont even talk to his mother as she is not on his list of contacts. I got more information from an orderly in 20 minutes then she has gotten from the "staff" in charge for the last 2 days.
 

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His mother has tried to have him arrested multiple times for his own good and they have said the same thing the treatment center is saying now. They are not going to hold him if he doesnt consent to it. I agree he doesnt need to be released, but the bottom line is if the doctor he sees deems him to have a drug problem and not a psychological problem then unfortunantly he will be leaving tuesday. They wont even talk to his mother as she is not on his list of contacts. I got more information from an orderly in 20 minutes then she has gotten from the "staff" in charge for the last 2 days.

Can't he be forced into a rehab facility if he is found to be a danger to himself and others?
 

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His mother has tried to have him arrested multiple times for his own good and they have said the same thing the treatment center is saying now. They are not going to hold him if he doesnt consent to it. I agree he doesnt need to be released, but the bottom line is if the doctor he sees deems him to have a drug problem and not a psychological problem then unfortunantly he will be leaving tuesday. They wont even talk to his mother as she is not on his list of contacts. I got more information from an orderly in 20 minutes then she has gotten from the "staff" in charge for the last 2 days.

That sucks. I bet he's an intelligent guy too. If he wants to end things, he will then. Unless, like I say, he connects with the right person.

I've been there twice now with best friends. I know.
 

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I am no expert but have been in treatment 5 times:facepalm: meth is some whicked shit seen some people in treatment trying to come off that shit meth affects with a persons brain more than heroin or cocaine :scared he will go thru different stages suicide thoughts, Hate everybody in the world, like Jack said its to early for him to come out it usually takes 3-6 months of treatment there is no bottom for most meth users except jail or death just my 2 cents and what I've seen GOODLUCK to your friend he's going to need it:0008
 

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Yeah, he needs to stay in there to get his head clear, if he gets out on Tuesday the results will not be good. He is going to go through serious withdrawals and he is going to do whatever he can to get rid of those symptoms. Damn this sucks but all you can do is keep trying to talk to him and hope he changes his mind but right now its the drugs talking.
 

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Had an employee go through this very same thing. We all watched her go downhill and then one day our GM called a meeting to tell us she died.

I feel the employee was dead long before she died if you know what I mean. Sucks to go through this-but sometimes the answer is-there isn't anything you can do and it's you who has to get through it-not them. What I just said may not make any sense.
 

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it will take him time to realize you guys are trying to help...the first 8-12 days are the worse for an addict...dont give up, keep going to see him even if he doesnt come out to see you, it will let him know you guys are there to help him get through the disease...
 

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been through it with my brother....couldn`t stop him.....threw him out...then got a call from a friend and found him in a flp house with multiple organ failure.....the edema was unreal...his whole body was totally saturated with fluid he couldn`t pass because his kidneys were so beaten down from his b.p. being sky high 24-7....

he made it out of the hospital after 40 days...we tried treatment centers...blew thousands of dollars...didn`t work...

he started doing crack in the house...but i didn`t throw him out again because he had nowhere to go...so i figured it would be better to let him die in our house....i just couldn`t stop him...

so he had another heart attack,they cathed him...put in a pacemaker....

that finally made him stop...

that stopped him..but the damage was done...he lasted a few more years as a semi-invalid......

sometimes theres just nothing you can do.....
 
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Can't he be forced into a rehab facility if he is found to be a danger to himself and others?

You would think that someone claiming to hear voices and scaring people so bad they are kicked out of houses would be enough, but up to this point at least it hasnt been.

UGA12 you are a great friend for trying..


Thanks man, but I have to say not being able to do anything to help him makes me question myself at times. I realize it is not my fault, but I do often wonder what more I could have done to help him.

it will take him time to realize you guys are trying to help...the first 8-12 days are the worse for an addict...dont give up, keep going to see him even if he doesnt come out to see you, it will let him know you guys are there to help him get through the disease...
Thanks, good advice

been through it with my brother....couldn`t stop him.....threw him out...then got a call from a friend and found him in a flp house with multiple organ failure.....the edema was unreal...his whole body was totally saturated with fluid he couldn`t pass because his kidneys were so beaten down from his b.p. being sky high 24-7....

he made it out of the hospital after 40 days...we tried treatment centers...blew thousands of dollars...didn`t work...

he started doing crack in the house...but i didn`t throw him out again because he had nowhere to go...so i figured it would be better to let him die in our house....i just couldn`t stop him...

so he had another heart attack,they cathed him...put in a pacemaker....

that finally made him stop...

that stopped him..but the damage was done...he lasted a few more years as a semi-invalid......

sometimes theres just nothing you can do.....

Wow. You are a strong person to be able to deal with that the way you did. Sad!
 

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Can't beleive I tamed a serious affection for cocaine in the 90's. Some folks are ready to live a better life, some aren't. Most of my old drug buddies are either psuedo-clean and OK, or near death, or dead. It's really sad; some can't even be reasoned with. He needs todetox and clear his head, then listen. If he hears anything, AWESOME. If not, unfortunately, he's not the first.
 

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Weasel, that is an incredible story. Such a shame how many good folks go thru this.

and the weirdest part of the story is that this all started when he was an adult....

he didn`t get involved with coke until he was in his early 30`s....met some skank...left his wife... and everything went downhill from there....

he caught hepatitis....which went into remission...but reemerged later on down the road...

in the last two years he went into heart failure and was on all kinds of drugs(coreg/procrit/thyroid medicine..etc)....and his blood pressure went from ridiculously high to a life and death struggle to keep it in the low normal range.....trips to the hospital for transfusions...you take them to the hospital in a constant state of dehydration...and they give them fluids that their kidneys aren`t able to pass......

cost the entire family a fortune...probably why i`m so cognizant of diet and exercise and stuff...watching that happen to my brother scared the hell out of me...it was horrible...

he refused dialysis...and i didn`t blame him...wouldn`t have been worth the time and effort given all his issues.....

it`s a horrible thing to see someone you care about fade slowly....watch them incrementally lose their ability to do the smallest things for themselves...while they`re still relatively young...

it was all so unnecessary...a waste...

condolences,ga....this will probably be a very long row to hoe...
 
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and the weirdest part of the story is that this all started when he was an adult....

he didn`t get involved with coke until he was in his early 30`s....met some skank...left his wife... and everything went downhill from there....

he caught hepatitis....which went into remission...but reemerged later on down the road...

in the last two years he went into heart failure and was on all kinds of drugs(coreg/procrit/thyroid medicine..etc)....and his blood pressure went from ridiculously high to a life and death struggle to keep it in the low normal range.....trips to the hospital for transfusions...

cost the entire family a fortune...probably why i`m so cognizant of diet and exercise and stuff...watching that happen to my brother scared the hell out of me...it was horrible...

he refused dialysis...and i didn`t blame him...wouldn`t have been worth the time and effort given all his issues.....

it`s a horrible thing to see someone you care about fade slowly....watch them incrementally lose their ability to do the smallest things for themselves...while they`re still relatively young...

it was all so unnecessary...a waste...

Dude all I can say is I feel for you. My brother went through this doing blow like you wouldn't believe but thank god he stopped.
It was hell at times seeing him destroying himself.
At least you're a better man and tried so hard to help him.
 

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Bottom line u can try to be the best friend u can be but if this person doesn't want to help himself then u got a monumental task on ur hands. I have lived this and eventually it will beat you down. There is just no easy answers unless somehow this person can figure it out.
The strange part about this is how incredibly different some of us are wired. I have mess around with some shit in my day but never felt at any time i was losing control. Now some others in my same circle just seem to fall into this awful trap.
 

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if they release him on tuesday, be there to be the one to pick him up.

pick him up, and as soon as you get in the frigging car, handcuff his ass to you.

and when you get home, handcuff his ass to a bed with nothing else in the room and force him through the withdrawal.

dont give him anything to hurt himself with.. which at that stage means just about anything.

all the coddling and treatment centers and feel good shit when people are trying to kick a habit is a load of shit. Going through withdrawal and getting clean shouldn't be enjoyable. You want to make it absolutely fucking miserable with plenty of "tough love" so that when they finally do come out the other side, they are so fucking scared of going through it again that they won't touch a narcotic out of having to suffer through it all over again.
These days, you get high, you go to a clinic with couches and tvs and people games and people talking to you and telling you its going to be alright. Where's the incentive to stay off the stuff?
 
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