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Anybody seen a chick-fil-a today?
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i can see your point
everyone should be entilted to their own opinion about gays and lesbians, but the gay and lesbian shoudl be afforded the same rights as everyone else , just like blacks and women are, regardless of what I , hedgehog, or dan cathy thinks about it
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I have no problem with their opinion. Just like I don't think hedgefuck should be sentenced to cement poured down his mouth because of the moronic things he says. He has to live with his mouth. However, people have the right to call them on their bullshit.
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i was trying to allude to the fact that the whole gay issue will be viewed down the line like the civil rights and suffrage issues were, ludicrous, and agree with you on that stance
I never said I agreed with what the CFA owners do. I just said I don't care.
And your post shows your ignorance. Had they come out and said "we will not serve food to gay people", then you could throw out the tired old cliche of blacks and women's rights argument. But...they didn't say that, so your comparison is ridiculous. Nobody in chic fil a is denying them civil rights you dolt. Unless you think a chicken sandwich is licensed to wed.
"In the powers vested in me, spicy chicken sandwich combo # 4, I hereby declare, Mr. and Mr. Smith, husband and husband."
I think anyone should be able to get married.
But I do honor their right to freedom of speech. It's not like they got up there and bashed gays. They are entitled to live by the Bible and it's their choice to make decisions based on it. I'm not saying I agree but it's their right.
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Great chicken......you can bark all you want about what the CEO said. Whether you agree with his stance or not, you think he gives a shit:lol:
They close on Sunday..... they are fast food, and do not give a damn about protocol. I do not agree with his views ......yet, I admire the fact that they are the best in their business sector. They surely are doing more things right than wrong, regardless of the chairman's religious beliefs, my step son would have dinner there 5 times a week if I let him. :0008
They close on Sunday..... they are fast food, and do not give a damn about protocol. I do not agree with his views ......yet, I admire the fact that they are the best in their business sector. They surely are doing more things right than wrong, regardless of the chairman's religious beliefs, my step son would have dinner there 5 times a week if I let him. :0008
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Bullshit. Commentary such as the statements that have been made here attempt to make inequality acceptable. That translates into more minds and obstacles that must be overcome for true equality to occur.
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First of all lets agree on a couple of things and see where we are all at.
gibber and saint are stipulating (not sure which super cool guy, and I mean that, said it....doesn't matter)
that Cathy and his family want to "Live by the Bible".
Can we all agree that this is an oxymoron on several levels.
Here is why; there is no universally accepted as fact, version of any of the versions of Scripture.
It is also not accepted by everyone as anything more than a novel by many across the U.S.
So.....any culturally or socially driven position, statement or action, taken by anyone citing the Bible as their guide and supporting document, should be automatically dismissed. In this country we are suppose to have complete separation of Church and State. Any inference to the Bible as being the moral guide of America when it comes to matter of social diversity is sadly mistaken. If that were the case then every Priest that diddled and altar boy can rest on the Word of God being their moral get out of jail free card.
So, if you want to accept Cathy's actions under the guise of "Freedom of Speech" as completely acceptable, regardless of religion, than you must also accept "Freedom of Expression" with equal fervor, correct? So if two women want to go to Chic Fil A and share a kiss on any given day they should not be considered as doing anything wrong as they are allowed equal freedom, correct?
As a matter of State, all people are created equal, and all of us are allowed to pursue Happiness and Liberty on a completely level playing field.
As a matter of Church, there is no level playing field so you are allowed to worship and "express" your feelings on Religion just as freely as the next guy.
So when Cathy says that we are entering dangerous ground when we try to tell God what is right, he has no grounds to declare what God wants. His convictions are not based in God, I promise you that. If you believe in God than you should all know better than to sit in judgement of others.
At least by the version that was hammered into me prior to me being old enough to exercise free will.
It is exactly this kind of Neanderthal type upbringing that many of us get upset about when we see a video of a 6 year old ridiculing the President of this great nation.
If you don't get upset by that then it is because you are blinded by hate or ignorance as there is no way anyone will ever convince me that a six year old should be taught political wrangling when they don't know their multiplication tables yet.
Agree or disagree, I don't mind because I am right.
Hope that helps,
FDC
gibber and saint are stipulating (not sure which super cool guy, and I mean that, said it....doesn't matter)
that Cathy and his family want to "Live by the Bible".
Can we all agree that this is an oxymoron on several levels.
Here is why; there is no universally accepted as fact, version of any of the versions of Scripture.
It is also not accepted by everyone as anything more than a novel by many across the U.S.
So.....any culturally or socially driven position, statement or action, taken by anyone citing the Bible as their guide and supporting document, should be automatically dismissed. In this country we are suppose to have complete separation of Church and State. Any inference to the Bible as being the moral guide of America when it comes to matter of social diversity is sadly mistaken. If that were the case then every Priest that diddled and altar boy can rest on the Word of God being their moral get out of jail free card.
So, if you want to accept Cathy's actions under the guise of "Freedom of Speech" as completely acceptable, regardless of religion, than you must also accept "Freedom of Expression" with equal fervor, correct? So if two women want to go to Chic Fil A and share a kiss on any given day they should not be considered as doing anything wrong as they are allowed equal freedom, correct?
As a matter of State, all people are created equal, and all of us are allowed to pursue Happiness and Liberty on a completely level playing field.
As a matter of Church, there is no level playing field so you are allowed to worship and "express" your feelings on Religion just as freely as the next guy.
So when Cathy says that we are entering dangerous ground when we try to tell God what is right, he has no grounds to declare what God wants. His convictions are not based in God, I promise you that. If you believe in God than you should all know better than to sit in judgement of others.
At least by the version that was hammered into me prior to me being old enough to exercise free will.
It is exactly this kind of Neanderthal type upbringing that many of us get upset about when we see a video of a 6 year old ridiculing the President of this great nation.
If you don't get upset by that then it is because you are blinded by hate or ignorance as there is no way anyone will ever convince me that a six year old should be taught political wrangling when they don't know their multiplication tables yet.
Agree or disagree, I don't mind because I am right.
Hope that helps,
FDC
What's sooooo fucked up about this is that Cathy doesn't own this restaurant and won't suffer any of the financial cost to fix this particular Chic Fil A. I certainly don't expect him to offer to pay to get the place repainted nor is he going to pay for any losses they will suffer because of his ignorance to his franchisee's and their plight.
What a dick Cathy is.
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While I think this story was "old" to start with, it does present an interesting view of the American public, and their priorities in life. Although there are surely times when I am hypocritical, I try not to support companies that are giving money to such hateful causes (as highlighted in the blog). The major fault of religion, in my opinion, is that it gives people a way to justify their hate. The amount of people who have been discriminated against or killed in the name of a god seems to be completely against the nature of what god should represent. This is a good blog:
The Chick Fellatio: stuck in the craw
The Chick Fellatio: stuck in the craw
as a person that`s basically ambivalent on the issue(but absolutely believes in a "domestic partners bill of rights")i think we have to be a little more careful with this "hateful" meme and labeling everybody that disagrees with your own p.o.v. as a monster or bigot...
i`d wager that 80 to 90% of the parents of posters on this board agree (to some extent) with "traditional marriage" as one of the linchpins of their belief system....it`s always been that way for them.....are thay haters and monsters?...no,they aren`t...they just have a more traditional belief system.....
and apparently,they aren`t the minority that you would think they are (based on the representation on thiis board)...
polls say that a slight majority agree with ssm... .but they`re just polls and can be skewed based on the pollster`s agenda and sampling methods..........the truth is that when this issue was put to a referendum,it`s been voted down in state after state (unfortunately or fortunately,depending on your p.o.v.)....
a large majority of african americans don`t agree with ssm(probably for the same or similar reasons as cathy)...they aren`t all bigots...the president was all for traditional marriage up until a few months ago and i doubt that he would be consdered a hateful bigot by those throwing that label around...and speaking of the struggle of african americans in this country and the ssm issue,they aren`t the same....one is a civil rights issue...the other a human rights issue...
i`m just trying to make the point that theres an awful lot of nuance involved in the issue and the name calling probably isn`t going to win over many hearts and minds...
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i`d wager that 80 to 90% of the parents of posters on this board agree (to some extent) with "traditional marriage" as one of the linchpins of their belief system....it`s always been that way for them.....are thay haters and monsters?...no,they aren`t...they just have a more traditional belief system.....
and apparently,they aren`t the minority that you would think they are (based on the representation on thiis board)...
polls say that a slight majority agree with ssm... .but they`re just polls and can be skewed based on the pollster`s agenda and sampling methods..........the truth is that when this issue was put to a referendum,it`s been voted down in state after state (unfortunately or fortunately,depending on your p.o.v.)....
a large majority of african americans don`t agree with ssm(probably for the same or similar reasons as cathy)...they aren`t all bigots...the president was all for traditional marriage up until a few months ago and i doubt that he would be consdered a hateful bigot by those throwing that label around...and speaking of the struggle of african americans in this country and the ssm issue,they aren`t the same....one is a civil rights issue...the other a human rights issue...
i`m just trying to make the point that theres an awful lot of nuance involved in the issue and the name calling probably isn`t going to win over many hearts and minds...
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