Anyone think Iraq will eventually be a
- Thread starter Master Capper
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mc quote:"Neither Cheney or Bush had or have any concept of war since neither has ever been in actual battle so they had and still have no clue."
mc,
if i'm reading correctly the above quote....you are saying that only people who served in the military are qualified to send people to war.....
i guess you then thought roosevelt should not have sent men to war because he didn't serve in the military....or lincoln for that matter...
btw....lets give it a chance before we decide it's a failure...
mc,
if i'm reading correctly the above quote....you are saying that only people who served in the military are qualified to send people to war.....
i guess you then thought roosevelt should not have sent men to war because he didn't serve in the military....or lincoln for that matter...
btw....lets give it a chance before we decide it's a failure...
AR,
First of all, to even compare Bush to Roosevelt or Lincoln is a gross injustice to these fine honorable men! Are you actually comparing the Civil War and World War with Iraq? Come on man, even by the most wildest stretch could one even find any parallels. How much time do you want us to give before we say enough is enough? How much money shall we spend that puts our country further in the hole? How many history books shall we read before we come to the conclusion that this country has been at war with each other and these people will continue to battle each other over issues that our beyond our realm of understanding? Perhaps if this administration had been upfront and honest about the lead up to this war then I like many other Americans would be more supportive, but due to their twisted tales and misspeak it has become increasingly impossible to trust this current group.
First of all, to even compare Bush to Roosevelt or Lincoln is a gross injustice to these fine honorable men! Are you actually comparing the Civil War and World War with Iraq? Come on man, even by the most wildest stretch could one even find any parallels. How much time do you want us to give before we say enough is enough? How much money shall we spend that puts our country further in the hole? How many history books shall we read before we come to the conclusion that this country has been at war with each other and these people will continue to battle each other over issues that our beyond our realm of understanding? Perhaps if this administration had been upfront and honest about the lead up to this war then I like many other Americans would be more supportive, but due to their twisted tales and misspeak it has become increasingly impossible to trust this current group.
mc,
i'm definitely not comparing bush to fdr or lincoln.....i was just commenting on your statement about a president or vp being in combat in order for them to have a clue about war....
i believe we cannot abandon iraq now....& that it's imperitive to see it through......
although i voted for bush...i'm liking him less & less....i think his administration's communication skills to the american public is very poor....& i don't like the way he is handling the illegal immigration mess.........to name 2 things i dislike about him....
back to capping (lol).
i'm definitely not comparing bush to fdr or lincoln.....i was just commenting on your statement about a president or vp being in combat in order for them to have a clue about war....
i believe we cannot abandon iraq now....& that it's imperitive to see it through......
although i voted for bush...i'm liking him less & less....i think his administration's communication skills to the american public is very poor....& i don't like the way he is handling the illegal immigration mess.........to name 2 things i dislike about him....
back to capping (lol).
AR,
I agree with you on the lack of communications and I truly believe that if a Kenneth Starr type of person was given unlimited resources to go after these crooks like he did Clinton then our heads would be spinning with what we would find out.
i also agree that we are in this mess now and cannot just walk away, but at what point do we say enough is enough? There are somethings that you can just keep throwing money, time, lives etc at and in the long run it will make very little difference. More than likely it's going to take a regime change here to get someone in that will be able to take a more realistic perspective on the whole issue since this administration has lost the trust of the majority of the american people.
I agree with you on the lack of communications and I truly believe that if a Kenneth Starr type of person was given unlimited resources to go after these crooks like he did Clinton then our heads would be spinning with what we would find out.
i also agree that we are in this mess now and cannot just walk away, but at what point do we say enough is enough? There are somethings that you can just keep throwing money, time, lives etc at and in the long run it will make very little difference. More than likely it's going to take a regime change here to get someone in that will be able to take a more realistic perspective on the whole issue since this administration has lost the trust of the majority of the american people.
smurphy said:
The only thing that needs to be understood is that what we are doing in Iraq has been done 1000's of times throughout the history of mankind and many times it does work and last several hundred years ......I am not saying Goverment changes to Democracy alone ....but compleate and entire changes of governments with all kinds of people against it ...yet it works and holds .
The only thing that needs to be understood is that what we are doing in Iraq has been done 1000's of times throughout the history of mankind and many times it does work and last several hundred years ......I am not saying Goverment changes to Democracy alone ....but compleate and entire changes of governments with all kinds of people against it ...yet it works and holds .
Care to share with us what present day country that your analogy applies to? What country has deep rooted hate amongst it's own citizens that a democracy has prevailed in?
Care to share with us what present day country that your analogy applies to? What country has deep rooted hate amongst it's own citizens that a democracy has prevailed in?
Master Capper said:
Let me give you the answers to the quiz again ....I mean really if you cant think 2 examples you shouldnt be posting when you havent a clue Doh !!!!!!!!!!!
Pakistan Doh !!!!!!!!!!!!! god your clueless!!!
Afganistan !!!!!!!!!!!!! Dummy !!!!!! :mj07: :mj07:
The really sad thing is, we sit here and have arguments about finishing the job (whatever the heck that means) in Iraq, and Osama just keeps on sticking his face right back at us.
How many conservatives are happy with how well the administration finished THAT job? And now we need to figure out how to finish the job in Iraq? We can't figure out how to DO the job, let alone how to finish it.
Maybe Brownie or Harriett (when she is dismissed) can go over and lead the task force.
How many conservatives are happy with how well the administration finished THAT job? And now we need to figure out how to finish the job in Iraq? We can't figure out how to DO the job, let alone how to finish it.
Maybe Brownie or Harriett (when she is dismissed) can go over and lead the task force.
Chadman said:
We are very unhappy that Bill Clinton let him go not once but twice he was offered :cursin: So are the 3000 innocent people that died on 9/11 I really dont know how Bill looks at himself in the morning with all that blood on his hands ..... Worry not !! Next time we get this needle in a hay stack he will be punished !!!! Imagine if Bill took him when asked ????? No war at all ! To bad he made yet another poor decision now my familiy members have to go to war to make it right again !
Iraq is a no brainer we should stay for about 10 years to ensure democracy takes a grip ..they have a plan and its a good one ....because the media wants to tell you different and you choose to believe it dosent make it fact or right .
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I wonder if there will ever be a thread on this forum that does not lead back to Bill frigging Clinton. Hey, conservative apologists, why don't you follow your leader's lead, and stop playing the blame game...
We cannot now catch Osama Bin Laden, and it's Bill Clinton's fault. I don't remember all the details in your assertion that Clinton could have HAD him, and didn't TAKE him. I'll assume some of that may be true. But I doubt the factors involved in his decision took 9-11 into account, did it? Kind of mathematically impossible, I offer. But continue to deflect.
To suggest that because of Clinton's decisions, your family now HAS to go to war in Iraq is simply not based on the real world. Go ahead and spin it however you like. Iraq does not equal Al Qaida. Insurgents do not equal Al Qaida. Saddam is not Bin Laden.
But Clinton remains Clinton, and everything in this forum including the Notre Dame loss remains his fault. You guys are really weak sometimes.
We cannot now catch Osama Bin Laden, and it's Bill Clinton's fault. I don't remember all the details in your assertion that Clinton could have HAD him, and didn't TAKE him. I'll assume some of that may be true. But I doubt the factors involved in his decision took 9-11 into account, did it? Kind of mathematically impossible, I offer. But continue to deflect.
To suggest that because of Clinton's decisions, your family now HAS to go to war in Iraq is simply not based on the real world. Go ahead and spin it however you like. Iraq does not equal Al Qaida. Insurgents do not equal Al Qaida. Saddam is not Bin Laden.
But Clinton remains Clinton, and everything in this forum including the Notre Dame loss remains his fault. You guys are really weak sometimes.
Chadman said:
If you believe we would be at war with Iraq now if 911 didnt take place you should get help...really go see someone for that .
Palehose said:
Of course we wouldn't, Captain Obvious. No way in hell America would have accepted this farce of a war and all the BS that we were fed if they didn't scare the shit out of everybody after 9/11. It was the perfect opportunity for this group to finally do what they've wanted to for 15 years. Get Saddam.
Cool Glad you agree Kosar ....your comming around !!! To bad Billy ****ed up and didnt prevent this aye Kosar ???
Guess my next question would be ...... You like Saddam ? and think we should have left him in power ?
Glad this Admin feels the same way I did .... I have wanted Saddams head on a platter since the 1st war when he put a bounty on the head of my CIC ! Too bad the Libs won that one and we got to wittness the gasing of a couple hundred thousand Kurds ! Hmmm somehow I find it very un American for our citzens to not want to do something about a guy like Saddam what kind of Faggats are you that you wont stick up for your own Country ?
Guess my next question would be ...... You like Saddam ? and think we should have left him in power ?
Glad this Admin feels the same way I did .... I have wanted Saddams head on a platter since the 1st war when he put a bounty on the head of my CIC ! Too bad the Libs won that one and we got to wittness the gasing of a couple hundred thousand Kurds ! Hmmm somehow I find it very un American for our citzens to not want to do something about a guy like Saddam what kind of Faggats are you that you wont stick up for your own Country ?
Clinton maintains that a major part of his decision not to "accept" Bin Laden from Sudan dealt with his (and many other intelligence experts) that the leader of the country who was "offering" him up was a good friend of Osama and supported many of his endeavors. He did not think he would follow through with his comments - which were only made to try to get the sanctions placed on his country removed BEFORE he "handed Osama over." At least that is how I recall his commentary about it.
George Bush had two chances to get Osama as well and did not act. I'm not saying he necessarily should have...he weighed his options, and decided not to act. Osama was not a priority of Bush before 9-11. To blame Clinton for inaction and neglect Bush's inaction (and subsequent failure to get him) is hypocritical. Changing the subject does not change the truth.
George Bush had two chances to get Osama as well and did not act. I'm not saying he necessarily should have...he weighed his options, and decided not to act. Osama was not a priority of Bush before 9-11. To blame Clinton for inaction and neglect Bush's inaction (and subsequent failure to get him) is hypocritical. Changing the subject does not change the truth.
Guess you like Saddam Kosar ....worry not he is getting help from Clintons Lawyer ...you libs may see this guy to freedom yet !
Palehose said:
Why of course I like Saddam. It's clear that anybody who sees the folly in this war is quite fond of Saddam.
And since i'm not in favor of invading, occupying, rebuilding and attempting to change the political systems of the following countries, it's clear that I love their leaders:
Syria
N. Korea
Pakistan
Iran
Libya
Haiti
Canada
Bangladesh
Qatar
China
S. Korea
Turkey
Kenya
and last but not least, Russia
smurphy said:
Fact .... It was one of the most sucessful invasions in the history of mankind.
Fact .... If you were too dumb to know we where going to be there for at least ten years your a moron that dosent pay attention to history .
