I went over the line. I should have never brought your family into any discussion here at madjacks, it will not happen again. Tell your wife I am sorry too...
I want peace...:toast:
I want peace...:toast:
apology to Wineguy
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Yeah, you wouldn't want to be a hypocrite about that or anything. :facepalm: :mj07:
STFU TU.. The guy is making an apology and you stick your Filthy Peckerhead in his business..
Your predictable schtick is insufferable...
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Perfect english. Your vocabulary being limited to a fourth grade level portrays whom is the idiot.
Now get back to your room and put your helmet on.
Enjoy the day!
Are you SURE you used "whom" correctly?
Using the word "whom" is yet ANOTHER pet peeve of mine. :lol:
Who and Whom
Are you confused?
Let's face it, whom is a problem word. Nobody seems to be quite sure about its proper usage. As a matter of fact, some of the rules that have dictated its use in the past are now considered "old fashioned" and are commonly ignored.
The truth is, very few people use whom in speech when it's technically correct. Even scholars who know the rules don't always apply them. It just sounds too puffy sometimes.
EXAMPLE:
"Whom were you talking to?" just sounds a little uptight, doesn't it? Most teachers will use the word who in this case, even if they know better.
Nonetheless, the word still exists, and some people do take all grammar rules very seriously. Some college officials, for example, will want to see and hear excellent grammar in your communications. It's well worth your while to understand the basic rules underlying the use of who and whom.
Whom is used as an object.
Who is at the door?
Whom did you see at the door?
Do you understand why who is correct in one sentence and whom is correct in the other? The answer is, who is always used as the subject of a sentence or clause, and whom is always used as an object.
In the first sentence of the set above, who is the subject. In the second sentence, you is the subject and whom is the direct object.
Whom did you recommend for the job?
Are there any people whom you would recommend?
Notice, in both sentences, you is the subject. Whom is the object of the verb recommend.
Whom is also used as the object of a preposition.
Prepositions include words like to, for, about, under, over, of, after, and before.
Look at these examples:
?I'll begin my letter with the phrase: To Whom It May Concern.
?I don't know from whom the love letter came.
?They fought over whom?
?After whom do I enter the stage?
Do you think these sentence sound odd? They do, indeed. That is exactly why the word whom will probably disappear from the English language one day. It just sounds a little awkward in many circumstances, even when it's technically correct.
So what can you do?
First of all, consider your audience. If you find yourself speaking to a person you'd like to impress, like an admission official from Harvard University, for example, then you should simply pause and think before you speak.
It won't sound strange. Think about it; many intelligent people pause a lot while they're talking. They're thinking before they speak!
So if you're speaking in an important situation like the one above, stop and think before using who or whom. Is it subjective case or objective you want to use?
If you're confused about subjects and objects and can't think fast when you find yourself speaking in public, you can either avoid using who and whom or you can go with your gut feeling and say whichever sounds better. You'll probably be right.
You can also use this simple test in your head.
Silently replace the word with he or him to see which sounds better. He is the equivalent of who (subjective) and him is the equivalent of whom (objective).
For instance, if you want to decide which is correct in this sentence:
Who/Whom should I consider as a college recommendation?
Re-arrange the sentence in your head so it will make sense using him or he. You'll come up with the following choices:
I should consider him...
I should consider he... Him is clearly better. Therefore, the correct word in the sentence above will be whom.
I believe you used it INcorrectly when you could have used "who" and saved me a lot of time and frustration. :0008
Are you confused?
Let's face it, whom is a problem word. Nobody seems to be quite sure about its proper usage. As a matter of fact, some of the rules that have dictated its use in the past are now considered "old fashioned" and are commonly ignored.
The truth is, very few people use whom in speech when it's technically correct. Even scholars who know the rules don't always apply them. It just sounds too puffy sometimes.
EXAMPLE:
"Whom were you talking to?" just sounds a little uptight, doesn't it? Most teachers will use the word who in this case, even if they know better.
Nonetheless, the word still exists, and some people do take all grammar rules very seriously. Some college officials, for example, will want to see and hear excellent grammar in your communications. It's well worth your while to understand the basic rules underlying the use of who and whom.
Whom is used as an object.
Who is at the door?
Whom did you see at the door?
Do you understand why who is correct in one sentence and whom is correct in the other? The answer is, who is always used as the subject of a sentence or clause, and whom is always used as an object.
In the first sentence of the set above, who is the subject. In the second sentence, you is the subject and whom is the direct object.
Whom did you recommend for the job?
Are there any people whom you would recommend?
Notice, in both sentences, you is the subject. Whom is the object of the verb recommend.
Whom is also used as the object of a preposition.
Prepositions include words like to, for, about, under, over, of, after, and before.
Look at these examples:
?I'll begin my letter with the phrase: To Whom It May Concern.
?I don't know from whom the love letter came.
?They fought over whom?
?After whom do I enter the stage?
Do you think these sentence sound odd? They do, indeed. That is exactly why the word whom will probably disappear from the English language one day. It just sounds a little awkward in many circumstances, even when it's technically correct.
So what can you do?
First of all, consider your audience. If you find yourself speaking to a person you'd like to impress, like an admission official from Harvard University, for example, then you should simply pause and think before you speak.
It won't sound strange. Think about it; many intelligent people pause a lot while they're talking. They're thinking before they speak!
So if you're speaking in an important situation like the one above, stop and think before using who or whom. Is it subjective case or objective you want to use?
If you're confused about subjects and objects and can't think fast when you find yourself speaking in public, you can either avoid using who and whom or you can go with your gut feeling and say whichever sounds better. You'll probably be right.
You can also use this simple test in your head.
Silently replace the word with he or him to see which sounds better. He is the equivalent of who (subjective) and him is the equivalent of whom (objective).
For instance, if you want to decide which is correct in this sentence:
Who/Whom should I consider as a college recommendation?
Re-arrange the sentence in your head so it will make sense using him or he. You'll come up with the following choices:
I should consider him...
I should consider he... Him is clearly better. Therefore, the correct word in the sentence above will be whom.
I believe you used it INcorrectly when you could have used "who" and saved me a lot of time and frustration. :0008
BTW, no offense intended as I have trouble with that word too and don't use it because I don't have to.
AND, I'm still having enough trouble with EFFECT and AFFECT. :0003
Have a nice day :0008
AND, I'm still having enough trouble with EFFECT and AFFECT. :0003
Have a nice day :0008
All better now.. : )
I work with mathematics all day. I really don't give a. .. whether it's whom/who etc etc...blah blah blah as it really is so inconsequential in the big picture.
I was replying to jabby dork in response to vocabulary which is far more important than the minor grammatical error of whom/ who.
I have to go to a meeting now where calcs and design must be exact to keep your lights on.. To whom it may concern Have a Great Day!!!:0074
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Pro offends others daily. He can take it.
As for affect/ effect, it's easy. Affect is a verb. Effect is a noun.
That fumble will affect the outcome of this game.
That fumble had an effect on the outcome of this game.
