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that sounds principled
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PS - not to mention our kids not thinking they have to inject something to make it in this world of cheaters
arod fails roids tests
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that sounds principled
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PS - not to mention our kids not thinking they have to inject something to make it in this world of cheaters
I could care less who does what to themselves.
I do find it strange that people in a gambling forum(I know everyone on here doesn't gamble) say this is bad and they have problems with it. I can think of all sorts of bad things that happen to guys that go to extremes when it comes to gambling, much like with steroids.
As you guys like to say, "just sayin"
I do find it strange that people in a gambling forum(I know everyone on here doesn't gamble) say this is bad and they have problems with it. I can think of all sorts of bad things that happen to guys that go to extremes when it comes to gambling, much like with steroids.
As you guys like to say, "just sayin"
In the case of steriods in MLB, would you say that it makes the playing not level? Is it cheating?
I agree with this sentiment up to the point that it affects others. Those that chose to cheat for 20 years in baseball were ruining chances of success for those that were not cheating.
Smurphy, I don't like it as far as the past and comparing numbers go but there has always been and will always be some form of cheating. They say that a high number of players in the 70's where on greenies, is that not unfair to todays player who plays 182 games without the use of an upper day in and out? We watch pitchers closer today for spit balls etc..... so is it fair that Gaylord Perry used it? I know I'm comparing apples to oranges but cheating is cheating.
Now everyone is concerned about the juice which has been out for many decades but never tested for?? Let me inform you for the ones that do not understand.....To be one your way to spring training and knowing their is a younger, faster and stronger kid who could take your spot on the team and send you packing, it is now time to do whatever you have to do make on avg of 400 K to 3-5 mil a yr or do nothing and go get a real job and pull in a mere 50 K a yr. You do what you have to do to make the big dough. Look at your self right now....Everyone whould love to be playing big time ball and making the big bucks ....but it only lasts so long. You must compete everyday with younger and stronger kids. The media acts as if the juice is new and the only focus on the premiere athletes.....ARE YOU KIDDING ME...this has been going on a long time fellas.....You ask yourself what would you do to make the big bucks and play pro-ball, would you go to any extent? Well lets keep it simple....how mnay of you will cheat on your taxes to make a few more bucks? Especially when it may be millions you can make! Trust me, it is a dog eat dog world in baseball and a high percentage of these players will do whatever it takes to play at the elite level. Remember....it is not who makes it to the major league level (as many come and go) but it is the ones who stay and play for yrs to come are the lucky ones.
And so there really is no reason to even follow baseball or care about any outcomes I suppose. The best cheaters prosper and legitimate untainted talent is never able to blossom.. ....It all seems pointless.
I dont give a shit either, besides half the NFL is juiced how come nobody complains about that??
i bet Tiger was on the roids and faked this whole operation because they were starting to test 
look at old pics of Tiger and the newer ones.
Tiger will do ANYTHING to win.
you heard it here first :mj07:
look at old pics of Tiger and the newer ones.
Tiger will do ANYTHING to win.
you heard it here first :mj07:
SMurphy you do have a point when you say I guess I cant follow my sport becasue of all the cheaters. It is sad but it just isn't baseball that athletes cheat. If you don't want to watch cheaters then the sport of football, swimming, tennis, track and field, golf etc.. would be difficult for some to watch because these sports have come to lite that they are cheaters as well. The athletes will tell you, "Its a business" the word sport is what their profession is. Do I agree w/the cheating "NO" but these athletes see others using and they are taking their jobs and they will be damned if they are so close to making the team or being sent packing that they will go to any extent to not let that happen. Juicing has been readily available for high school athletes and college athletes for yrs. Why so young as H.S.? Because they don't want to play football at N.Dakota State but want a chance to play at UCLA and be on national TV so they can show their skills and have a chance to make a living at the pro level and making the big bucks. And as I said before it isn't who makes it to the big show but who stays there, so they will continue to use because they know these young athletes are coming to take their job at any cost.
Well swimming and track and field are boring anyway. Football is a difficult one. You got me there.
But yeah, it does basically seem pointless. For every roid using success, there are thousands of ruined lives. I don't blame an individual for doing what he can to get to that next level - to play at UCLA or the NFL or MLB. I blame all of them.
But yeah, it does basically seem pointless. For every roid using success, there are thousands of ruined lives. I don't blame an individual for doing what he can to get to that next level - to play at UCLA or the NFL or MLB. I blame all of them.
Rocker weighs in on A-Rod revelation
League docs told Rodriguez and me steroids were OK, ex-Brave tells radio?s ?Regular Guys?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Wednesday, February 11, 2009
In an interview on Rock 100.5?s ?Regular Guys? show Wednesday morning, former Atlanta Braves closer John Rocker weighed in on former teammate Alex Rodriguez?s recent admission regarding his past steroid use and the media firestorm resulting from A-Rod?s change in story.
And Rocker? Isn?t surprised that A-Rod didn?t come clean sooner.
John Rocker told Rock 100.5?s Regular Guys that during his 2002 stint with Texas, MLB and union doctors told Alex Rodriguez and himself that steroids could be safely used.:scared
?Players see themselves on the opposite side as the media and steroids is a hot-button issue,? Rocker said, when asked his opinion of why Rodriguez told CBS anchor Katie Couric he?d never used steroids during a 2007 interview. ?He?s not going to give Katie Couric the satisfaction of breaking the story.?
Rodriguez admitted Monday that he used banned drugs from 2001-2003 while playing for Texas. The admission came two days after Sports Illustrated reported on its Web site that his name was among the 104 players who tested positive during baseball?s anonymous survey in 2003.
Rocker said in 2008 that doctors from management and the players? association, following a 2002 spring training talk with the Texas Rangers about steroids and other topics, pulled himself, A-Rod, Rafael Palmeiro and Ivan Rodriguez aside.
?Look guys, if you take one kind of steroid, you don?t triple stack them and take them 10 months out of the year like Lyle Alzado did,? Rocker said the doctors told them. ?If you do it responsibly, it?s not going to hurt you.?
Rocker told the Regular Guys that MLB was initially wary of his claims that MLB and union doctors said steroids were safe.
?The league didn?t outright deny it, but they did say ?We have a hard time believing this.??
Rocker has never publicly stated that Rodriguez is a steroid user or that he personally saw him use banned substances.
?I wasn?t accusing Alex at that point in time of doing stuff like that,? Rocker told the Regular Guys Wednesday. ?I wasn?t saying ?These people were doing these kinds of things.??
Rocker praised Rodriguez?s work ethic, saying the slugger could have rested on his laurels as a gifted athlete, but instead was motivated to continue working hard because ?he wants to be the greatest player of all time.?
Asked what, if any, response from his MLB and media detractors had been since his statements regarding the 2002 spring training incident, Rocker simply said ?I haven?t spoken with anyone from the baseball community.?
? The Associated Press contributed to this story
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It was obvious that Rocker was roided out and I often suspected him of that. Plus his violent crazy streaks were a indicator.
League docs told Rodriguez and me steroids were OK, ex-Brave tells radio?s ?Regular Guys?
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Wednesday, February 11, 2009
In an interview on Rock 100.5?s ?Regular Guys? show Wednesday morning, former Atlanta Braves closer John Rocker weighed in on former teammate Alex Rodriguez?s recent admission regarding his past steroid use and the media firestorm resulting from A-Rod?s change in story.
And Rocker? Isn?t surprised that A-Rod didn?t come clean sooner.
John Rocker told Rock 100.5?s Regular Guys that during his 2002 stint with Texas, MLB and union doctors told Alex Rodriguez and himself that steroids could be safely used.:scared
?Players see themselves on the opposite side as the media and steroids is a hot-button issue,? Rocker said, when asked his opinion of why Rodriguez told CBS anchor Katie Couric he?d never used steroids during a 2007 interview. ?He?s not going to give Katie Couric the satisfaction of breaking the story.?
Rodriguez admitted Monday that he used banned drugs from 2001-2003 while playing for Texas. The admission came two days after Sports Illustrated reported on its Web site that his name was among the 104 players who tested positive during baseball?s anonymous survey in 2003.
Rocker said in 2008 that doctors from management and the players? association, following a 2002 spring training talk with the Texas Rangers about steroids and other topics, pulled himself, A-Rod, Rafael Palmeiro and Ivan Rodriguez aside.
?Look guys, if you take one kind of steroid, you don?t triple stack them and take them 10 months out of the year like Lyle Alzado did,? Rocker said the doctors told them. ?If you do it responsibly, it?s not going to hurt you.?
Rocker told the Regular Guys that MLB was initially wary of his claims that MLB and union doctors said steroids were safe.
?The league didn?t outright deny it, but they did say ?We have a hard time believing this.??
Rocker has never publicly stated that Rodriguez is a steroid user or that he personally saw him use banned substances.
?I wasn?t accusing Alex at that point in time of doing stuff like that,? Rocker told the Regular Guys Wednesday. ?I wasn?t saying ?These people were doing these kinds of things.??
Rocker praised Rodriguez?s work ethic, saying the slugger could have rested on his laurels as a gifted athlete, but instead was motivated to continue working hard because ?he wants to be the greatest player of all time.?
Asked what, if any, response from his MLB and media detractors had been since his statements regarding the 2002 spring training incident, Rocker simply said ?I haven?t spoken with anyone from the baseball community.?
? The Associated Press contributed to this story
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It was obvious that Rocker was roided out and I often suspected him of that. Plus his violent crazy streaks were a indicator.
chalk, if you want entertainment, go to harrahs, go to the mgm, go to the movies or watch porn, but leave the national pasttime clean...what are you an entertainment junkie?
sounds like you are a guy who watching COPS marathons on television
sounds like you are a guy who watching COPS marathons on television
sports is entrainment. Honestly if it was your job to lets stay stay awake more than the average person and a pill woudl help you maintain or excel at your job you would not do it??? :shrug: Well what if every1 at work was doing it and you had to do it in order to keep your job? all this finger pointing at players who were basically given a free pass to do them, baseball was in the toilet after the strike, and all the ppl who could stop it said nothign and even encouraged it and we call them cheaters?
The "fake family values" of this country scares me tremendously. ALmost every family as some sort of problem or is fcked up some way. It is really more about reporters lying and doing underhanded things in order to break " the big story".
The "fake family values" of this country scares me tremendously. ALmost every family as some sort of problem or is fcked up some way. It is really more about reporters lying and doing underhanded things in order to break " the big story".
The ultimate result of your attitude would be to turn all sports into pro wrestling. If entertainment is all that matters then there's no need for umpires and refs to follow the rules any more than the players - indeed, their duty becomes to tweak the game toward the most exciting outcome. In fact, that is precisely what's going on. The Kansas-Missouri college hoops game earlier this week is a good example. In order to ensure greater entertainment value, the refs aided Missouri's comeback in the second half. If they had officiated neutrally, 9/10th of the time Kansas would have ebbed out an average 12-20-pt win rather than suffered a dramatic 2-pt loss. This artificially created drama made the home crowd and the advertisers happy, and presumably the tv audience too. This sort of socialized refereeing has become common over the last twenty years, it meshes nicely with other social trends. It is predictable, from our bettor perspective. But it is wrong, morally and aesthetically.
Baseball is the one sport that has a chance of remaining reasonably straight because the officiating, due to the nature of the sport, has less of an effect on outcomes than in basketball and football.
There are symphonies, sitcoms, and pro wrestling for those who want entertainment. There should also be sports - competitions between honest men adjudicated by neutral officials applying set rules.
You're kidding when you say baseball is the one sport taht has a chance to remain reasonably straight because of the umps aren't you? Do you cap baseball? I'm my opinion the home plate ump has more control or at least as much as any official of any sport.
Do we condemn Keith Richards for making music while stoned out of his mind???
No, but its the same thing isnt it??
No, but its the same thing isnt it??
The power to determine balls and strikes is minimal compared to the power to call fouls in basketball or holding/interference in football. I can think of very few games where home-plate umping was so biased that it helped one team to beat another. In fact the only game that comes to mind is that black ump who was giving Dontrelle Willis a gigantic strike zone in the playoffs one year. There were also a couple years where it seemed most umps were giving Glavine and Maddux extra inches off the outside of the plate. Occasionally a baseball outcome is changed because an ump blows a call (Denkinger in World Series) but what you never see is the umps blatantly trying to influence the course of the game through their calls. You see that in football and in basketball almost daily.
NBA or college hoops games can be radically changed by depending on whether refs call touch fouls or swallow the whistle. Look at one series of NBA playoff games and you might find them officiated radically differently. One game they call tight, next game they call nothing. The total and side can be radically influenced by this difference in reffing, which is obviously dictated by league considerations. There is nothing remotely comparable to this in baseball. Each ball/strike call is of so little weight that a ref would have to make a hundred biased calls to equal the power of just a couple of foul calls/non-calls in basketball.
Calling two fouls on one team's main player early in the first quarter is a proven way for NBA to manipulate outcomes to a result that screws the public. In college, simply by calling two or three quick fouls -- at any point -- the refs can intimidate a team out of playing defense and manage the course of a game. To get Missouri back in the game the other night, for example, the refs started calling quick fouls on every Mo offensive possession and soon enough they were back in it. This happens all the time in college hoops. It compromises the integrity of the game, but since the media have no interest in making an issue of it and stopping it, it continues. It's shouldn't even be necessary to argue that reffing's a more significant part of football than baseball. Baseball has no call that can negate a homerun. Football has fifty calls that can negate a td, and more than one of them can be plausibly called on every single play.
