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Told crowds in Pn they were bitter over unemployment and clung to guns and religion as result.

Someone might remind him unemployment is 4.9 in Pn-- unlike Illinois who has 5th highest unemployment rate in country--and he has the "AUDACITY" to tell them how he will improve things???--yep like he did in Illinois taking it from 4.1 to 5.5--not much "hope" for those experiencing that "change" :0corn

--however have to give O benefit of doubt -when you hang out mentors he has- you'd expect everyone to have negative attitude---can we get a "1st time I'm proud--" again from the Mrs. on confirmation of attitude ;)

By JIM KUHNHENN and CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press WriterS
21 minutes ago



MUNCIE, Ind. - Democrat Barack Obama on Saturday conceded that comments he made about bitter working class voters who "cling to guns or religion" were ill chosen, as he tried to stem a burst of complaints that he is condescending.
 
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i tuned in and thought you were heading for b.h.o.`s latest "typical white person" insult.....

here it is....

-At issue are comments Obama made privately at a fundraising gathering in San Francisco last Sunday. He explained his troubles winning over working class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions-:

"It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

translation:..."you're all a bunch of bible-thumping, gun-loving red-necks in the fly-over states...i can tell you gun-toting wingnuts apart by the trails your knuckles make in the sawdust on the floor".....

barry..barry..barry...:nooo:
 

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Not surprised to see you two jump on the bash-bandwagon. Maybe you - and some others here would like the complete commentary from Obama, with a sensible analysis by someone not committed to his undoing:

Barack Obama Hates You
| posted by Jeff Fecke | Saturday, April 12, 2008

Barack Obama is in a bit of a sticky wicket, having said the following at a fundraiser in San Francisco:

You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Within moments, a billion righty bloggers rushed to their basements, poured themselves a Mountain Dew, inhaled a pound of Cheeto dust, and immediately began screaming that Barack Obama hates all Americans, because he's just a namby-pamby San Francisco liberal from Massachusetts. Or something. The dumbest commentary came, as per usual, from The Blogger Formerly Known as Hindrocket, who mused openly that Barack Obama's campaign was probably over.

The problem with the right-wing freakout over this statement was twofold. First, and not surprisingly, the quote was taken out of context. And second, even if it wasn't, what Barack Obama said was unquestionably true.

Now, don't get me wrong -- Obama probably could have phrased it a little better. But read the full quote:
So, it depends on where you are, but I think it's fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre...I think they're misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to 'white working-class don't wanna work -- don't wanna vote for the black guy.' That's...there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today - kind of implies that it's sort of a race thing.


Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).

But -- so the questions you're most likely to get about me, 'Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What's the concrete thing?' What they wanna hear is -- so, we'll give you talking points about what we're proposing -- close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama's gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we're gonna provide health care for every American. So we'll go down a series of talking points.

But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there's not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you'll find is, is that people of every background -- there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you'll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I'd be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you're doing what you're doing.

So first off, what Obama was saying is simple: working-class white voters aren't voting against him because they're horrible, bigoted racists. They're voting against him, thus far, because frankly, they're not so sure that the skinny kid with the funny name who happens to be black is the guy who's going to lead them to prosperity.

Obama notes that there may be some racism or nativism involved, but puts it in the context of being poor, being hopeless, and wanting desperately to be able to pin the blame on someone, or something. This is not new, and not unique to the rust belt; there's a reason the Ku Klux Klan grew during the Great Depression.

And yes, people who are culturally conservative and fiscally liberal tend to vote on culture issues, because let's face it, neither party has done a good job of delivering for rural America. Neither party has done a good job alleviating the economic insecurity in the Rust Belt. And so why vote for economic benefits you don't expect to see, when you can vote for an abortion ban that could happen? The Reagan Democrats have been lost to the Democrats not because the Democrats don't pander enough on social views -- we never could -- but because we don't offer a compelling reason to support us on fiscal policy.

At any rate, Obama's statement will prove a bit embarrassing, and then it will fade away. By Monday, this statement of explanation from the Obama camp will have put this mostly to rest, except on Fox, which will keep running this in heavy rotation until they decide to go back to the Jeremiah Wright videos.

Incidentally, another candidate has said something similar about those xenophobic Midwesterners:
Anti-immigrant passion also owes much to the disproportionate influence of a few small states in the nominating process. National polls show that, as an issue, immigration is far behind the Iraq war, terrorism, the economy, and health care as a concern to most Americans; a recent Pew poll shows that, nationally, only six per cent of voters offer immigration as the most important issue facing the country. But in Iowa and South Carolina, two of the three most important early states, it is a top concern for the Republicans who are most likely to vote. ?It?s the influx of illegals into places where they?ve never seen a Hispanic influence before,? [John] McCain told me. ?You probably see more emotion in Iowa than you do in Arizona on this issue. I was in a town in Iowa, and twenty years ago there were no Hispanics in the town. Then a meatpacking facility was opened up. Now twenty per cent of their population is Hispanic. There were senior citizens there who were??concerned? is not the word. They see this as an assault on their culture, what they view as an impact on what have been their traditions in Iowa, in the small towns in Iowa. So you get questions like ?Why do I have to punch 1 for English?? ?Why can?t they speak English?? It?s become larger than just the fact that we need to enforce our borders.?

Yes, Barack Obama hates America, but John McCain loves America, because...look! ?El Chupacabra!
 

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depends on what you want to believe Chad--
Do you believe what you see or what he and media try to project?

Example: Do search on Obama's fav books--and you'll get same everywhere--from what he listed on Facebook and wants you now to believe---yet somehow he forgot to mention his favorite book of all he listed in his " dreams of my father" and that being---The Autobiography of Malcolm X---Hmm I wonder how he could have forgot that????? :)
 

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sounds like obama`s echoing karl marx`s spiel when he called religion "the opiate of the masses."....

karl claimed that the 'masses' who were resisting his marxist philosophy habitually used religion as the opiate to forget their pain. ......

hmmmmm...:mj03:

he shoulda stayed with "hope" and "change".... the more he reveals himself, the worse it gets......


"reverend wright!!....get back down in the basement!"......

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This is a riot! Karl Rove has apparently started working for McCain early. From the looks of these attacks McCain has flipped to the neocon side. Just interesting the way the attacks are planned. I guess McCain forgives him for all did in 2000.
 
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Americans must love the way things are, war, high food prices, gas prices, home foreclosures. Now the news is talking about how many students won't be able to get loans for college. I think a educated America benefits everyone, but there are alot of Americans who think everything is fine the way they are. Do we need to change washington? Or will it be business as usual, politicians lining their pockets with gold, making deals with lobbyists, borrowing America to the poor house. Something has to change.
 

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Americans must love the way things are, war, high food prices, gas prices, home foreclosures. Now the news is talking about how many students won't be able to get loans for college. I think a educated America benefits everyone, but there are alot of Americans who think everything is fine the way they are. Do we need to change washington? Or will it be business as usual, politicians lining their pockets with gold, making deals with lobbyists, borrowing America to the poor house. Something has to change.


Ron Paul is the lone candidate who represented true change. It is particularly disturbing to me how we, as a people, are constantly bickering amongst each other and blaming the opposing party for all of our current economic ills. This not a republican and democrat issue, as you and most other posters on this board like to make it. The three remaining candidates will each grow government and continue the current alarming trend. The fact that Obama is the candidate for change makes me laugh.

I am extremely concerned about the future of this country. I often wonder how economic conditions will be for my boys, aged 11 months and 2 years, respectively. Currently, my 2 year old is learning spanish and mandarin. Spanish from my parents, the nanny and myself. Mandarin from my cousin's wife. I figure if China is running the show by then, at least they will have a leg up:shrug:
 

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Ron Paul is the lone candidate who represented true change. It is particularly disturbing to me how we, as a people, are constantly bickering amongst each other and blaming the opposing party for all of our current economic ills. This not a republican and democrat issue, as you and most other posters on this board like to make it. The three remaining candidates will each grow government and continue the current alarming trend. The fact that Obama is the candidate for change makes me laugh.

I am extremely concerned about the future of this country. I often wonder how economic conditions will be for my boys, aged 11 months and 2 years, respectively. Currently, my 2 year old is learning spanish and mandarin. Spanish from my parents, the nanny and myself. Mandarin from my cousin's wife. I figure if China is running the show by then, at least they will have a leg up:shrug:

I'am learning to speak Canadian myself.
 

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Ron Paul is the lone candidate who represented true change. It is particularly disturbing to me how we, as a people, are constantly bickering amongst each other and blaming the opposing party for all of our current economic ills. This not a republican and democrat issue, as you and most other posters on this board like to make it. The three remaining candidates will each grow government and continue the current alarming trend. The fact that Obama is the candidate for change makes me laugh.

I am extremely concerned about the future of this country. I often wonder how economic conditions will be for my boys, aged 11 months and 2 years, respectively. Currently, my 2 year old is learning spanish and mandarin. Spanish from my parents, the nanny and myself. Mandarin from my cousin's wife. I figure if China is running the show by then, at least they will have a leg up:shrug:

Cie I'm in agreement with on paper Ron Paul had best agenda to my liking and prob as you said--would have been only one to implement any real change.

I believe he would have had excellent chance to be next president--had no one ever seen him speak. His personality reflected an extremely scary attitude to me anyway.

To his credit he was not afraid to go toe to toe with anyone--and relished questioning.

--unlike Obama/Hilary- who scurry like roaches to avoid any questioning/media other than in controled environment.

Scarey to think we might have Pres voted in (in this day and time) that shakes like dog shitting peach seeds- at thought of having to appear on leading cable news network. :0corn
 
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Well Wel l:0corn :shrug: You don't say it like it is even when truth. I said it before people don't want to here it. But those in small town USA know what he ment. Of course his use of Bitter, not smart. But he could not say what they really feal Pissed Off. I never seen a election cycle for me with no one I want to vote for.
At least not yet.
OLD John if you like last 8 years. You will love the next 4 with him. Bush over again.
Hillary heres where the word bitter could be used.
Obama refreshing and new but on tested. He needs to select a ex military guy for V P to win.
Wheres a good 3rd party guy/gal when we really need one.
And poor Obama, when FOX/CNN get done with there half truths and sound bites//cut and paste job. Well he wont believe what he said. :nono:
 

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Wayne and Wease (and others that are apparently so afraid of "the dark change" Obama would bring to the country), a question for you.

Since you seem to feel he holds many irreverant black themes so close to heart - the hate of the reverend (while all along ignoring any of the positive messages that we never hear about), parental influences of muslim-itis and atheism, liking an autobiography of Malcolm X (haven't read it, but assume it would be an interesting read), and the like...

How do you think he would "use" all of this to hurt America? What do you think he would forward as President, other than supposed democratic/liberal themes? I'd like to see some specifics that even in the worst possible case scenario of actually holding these "scary" themes above other positive ones that he also possesses.

I liken the character assassination of Obama to the ongoing fear tactics of the nebulous war on terror. Keeping in mind that I don't support him as a first choice in this race, I am also not in the least bit concerned that anything I've seen on his supposed negative areas would play out in anything real or tangible in the areas of policy, foreign policy, dealing with Americans, establishing a cabinet, and carrying out the day to day duties of running the country.

I've seen first hand what someone like Bush can do, with the proper characters who helped put him there and were rewarded with positions of influence and importance. So, I can understand being somewhat concerned about someone with their own agenda taking over. So, enlighten me as to how America will suffer as a result of Obama taking over other than your take on the expected democratic themes - which we've all lived through quite successfully to date.
 

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Chad My 1st reason was very 1st post on Obama and that was explain how he is qualified which no one could answer.

Then I put up his Illinois senate voting record-which is (hardest thing to find on the web)
and the times he didn't straddle fence with cop out present vote --he pursued criminal rights-affirmative action-and give away programs.

Now my biggest reason on how (corporate and tax payors in this country will suffer) is you will have the least experienced--most liberal-pro minority-as pres with congress majority to actually implement all the spending packages Obama is promising. Then tack on defending america and you have duo of reasons how we can suffer.

Then on top of this consider the windows we have to judge his character in general--are you going to look through the window he projects in his speeches--or the one he has lived since/and including his conception?

I try to disregard hype from both sides and look at reality.
Example--Is someone who had duel spouses graduate from Ivy league schools--that was unable to afford home and were still paying off credit card and school loans in their 40's (until receiving $1.9 million book advance) the person to preach economy. I certainly wouldn't let him touch my finances--let alone the countries.

Reminds me of another silver tongued politician from disfunctional family that couldn't hack it in any venture but world of political schemes.
 
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So, essentially it's the fear of his liberal philosophies (which I did find some interesting info on some conservative themes he appreciates and conservative advisors/supporters) that he holds closely in forming his outlook this weekend) and a personal assumption of his character. That's kind of what I thought - I really asked about things that aren't traditional liberal dislikes, and you pose the question about personal choice of character - and give nothing tangible that will result from your perception (other than usual liberal discreditation.)

Thanks. Wease?
 

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By the way, Obama has spent several years in state and national legislative positions and holds impeccable education and responsibility positions of leadership - which has been brought up here. I'd gladly put up his credentials, education, intellect, communication skills and experience to the current President.
 

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I'm some what surprised two more Penn, papers came out in support of Obama today. And at a rally this morning folks there said he was right they are bitter and mad. And last night on CNN they had some religion form for the canidates. Old John didn't come. Old John makes no bones about he's not very religiuos. But when asked about what he said Obama sticked to his guns. Admitted he could have used a little better words. But when he got the ovation he did. I was surprised because this was a mixed crowd of religion beliefes and parties.
So it looks like FOX/CNN will have to work harder to blacken his remarks.
 

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The only people who support this Obama tool, or any candidate for that matter in this election is quite ignorant.

Obama is the biggest fake of them all. Every time he opens up his trap he's just babbling away, with nothing really to say.

Hillary...LOL......Clinton? Need I say more.

John McCain is about as Liberal as a freakin democrat can get. He's a phony Democrat running as a Republican.
 
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