Bar Stool Economics

Sparta

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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers, he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.!

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant the men began to compare their savings.

I only got a dollar out of the $20, declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, but he got $10!

Yeah, that's right, exclaimed the fifth man. I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!

That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!

Wait a minute, yelled the first four men in unison. We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and h ad beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.


For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Has been posted at least 5x in the last 6 months.
Good one!

Yep and every time with same response--no one questioning the message--just the messenger--

Lets see what in depth responses we have from the intuitive fact finders so far--



--its 20 year old drivel.
--This is like a bad email chain that just won't go
away.
--Welcome to the internet.
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kosar

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Yep and every time with same response--no one questioning the message--just the messenger--

Lets see what in depth responses we have from the intuitive fact finders so far--



--its 20 year old drivel.
--This is like a bad email chain that just won't go
away.
--Welcome to the internet.
:0corn


I responded once before. It's a fucking parable. How does one meaningfully respond to a made up story?
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Matt/Booby--appears even snopes only question is about the messenger.

It's a parable?--is our tax system then a parable also?

Appears to me its following O's socialistic plans to the tee--except you will have 4.7 drinking free. :)

--parable this if you would--

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

For Tax Year 2006

Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

Top 1%
$388,806
39.89

Top 5%
$153,542
60.14

Top 10%
$108,904
70.79

Top 25%
$64,702
86.27

Top 50%
$31,987
97.01

Bottom 50%
<$31,987
2.99

:0corn
 
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Wilson

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Kosar-

You fucktard....please give us a link to where you described the invalidity of the substance of the email chain.

Seriously, I am interested in how you debunked it once before on this great site.


Thanks Buddy.
 

Agent 0659

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Matt/Booby--appears even snopes only question is about the messenger.

It's a parable?--is our tax system then a parable also?

Appears to me its following O's socialistic plans to the tee--except you will have 4.7 drinking free. :)

--parable this if you would--

http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6

For Tax Year 2006

Percentiles Ranked by AGI
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid

Top 1%
$388,806
39.89

Top 5%
$153,542
60.14

Top 10%
$108,904
70.79

Top 25%
$64,702
86.27

Top 50%
$31,987
97.01

Bottom 50%
<$31,987
2.99

:0corn


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kosar

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Kosar-

You fucktard....please give us a link to where you described the invalidity of the substance of the email chain.

Seriously, I am interested in how you debunked it once before on this great site.


Thanks Buddy.

Ahhhh yes. The think tank now has everybody present and accounted for.

I never said it's invalid. Rich people pay more in taxes because they make more. No fucking shit. It's been like that for as long as taxes have been around.

It's a cutesy chain email that's been posted here a million times.

What kind of point is there to it?

Ok, ok. I concede that rich people pay more tax dollars than the poor and some people pay no income tax. God, do those people who don't pay taxes have it good. :jerkit:
 

Wilson

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Ahhhh yes. The think tank now has everybody present and accounted for.

I never said it's invalid. Rich people pay more in taxes because they make more. No fucking shit. It's been like that for as long as taxes have been around.

It's a cutesy chain email that's been posted here a million times.

What kind of point is there to it?

Ok, ok. I concede that rich people pay more tax dollars than the poor and some people pay no income tax. God, do those people who don't pay taxes have it good. :jerkit:

:kiss: Thank you.
 
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