Barack HUSSAIN Obama

[escarzamd]

Just watched an unfinshed recording from last nite.......one thing for sure......she didn't make him look bad. He can think on his feet. She left some out over the plate for him to hit, she got petty and he kept his cool, she dodged her own statements on how she's ready to go Day #1 and he made some hay of it without sounding whiny..... it looked like a draw at best for Team Clinton. She can't rattle him. I like John King........but he threw some softballs his way as well.

She squeezed Edwards' name in twice....

I think he's got a little better angle on the health insurance coverage. Of course, it would be nice to make everyone buy it and fine them like car insurance, but step one is make it affordable, then her way (and apparently Edwards' as well) can make a little more sense. :shrug: Massachussets is a great example.....20% are eating it because costs are not realistic. I think the state said that their out lay was $1.35 billion......100% more than their estimate. Cost is the single most important hurdle to the health care issue. I've got an old post somewhere that basically says we all have to give a little for benefit in the longview. That includes physicians........but you have to get to insurers & Pharma (notice I left out the lawyers Ed) most importantly, because they're pocketing a huge chunk of the money right now. Campaign finance reform is the linchpin to how you change health care cost......delivery and infrastructure here is not the problem.

Wish I had more time......be back next week!

 

[bryanz]

Yep You and Kurt had same answers and asked about as many times--

--and from 2nd link appears after thinking about it a day--all he could come up with was I'm sure his supporters could have answered--odd on 1st interview he said he was supporter.

So he did just what you did after avoiding question 3 times--put it off on someone else to find something--I believe your last retort was --look it up yourself.

So I'm going to go the extra mile and give you a
4th opportunity to avoid the question
--name his accomplishments--
:0corn

his accomp are vast , they are well documented, why do I have to list them for you ?? you are proficient on the net look it up.... did you see the debate last night ?{ did you hear what sen mccaskill said on hard ball on the link I provided for you ?????} you post a link to try and make Obama look bad...... I respond with a link from that same show .... I gave you a creditable source in sen mccaskill.............. I'm just ****ing with you because you are ****ing with me. If you can't find one accomplisment you are pretty stupid and I know that's not the case, what is your point.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

Yep You and Kurt had same answers and asked about as many times--

--and from 2nd link appears after thinking about it a day--all he could come up with was I'm sure his supporters could have answered--odd on 1st interview he said he was supporter.

So he did just what you did after avoiding question 3 times--put it off on someone else to find something--I believe your last retort was --look it up yourself.

So I'm going to go the extra mile and give you a
4th opportunity to avoid the question
--name his accomplishments--
:0corn

I would think that it would be a more fruitful use of my time to convince ptgard that Saudi's attacked the WTC with boxcutters and airplanes then convince you to vote for a black man.

 

[bryanz]

Yep You and Kurt had same answers and asked about as many times--

--and from 2nd link appears after thinking about it a day--all he could come up with was I'm sure his supporters could have answered--odd on 1st interview he said he was supporter.

So he did just what you did after avoiding question 3 times--put it off on someone else to find something--I believe your last retort was --look it up yourself.

So I'm going to go the extra mile and give you a
4th opportunity to avoid the question
--name his accomplishments--
:0corn

this post makes no sense. the second link, if this is the one I provided, it is a replay of kurt on the first day so that sen mccaskill could respond to the same question from chris matthews...

 

[Jabberwocky]

I would think that it would be a more fruitful use of my time to convince ptgard that Saudi's attacked the WTC with boxcutters and airplanes then convince you to vote for a black man.

:mj07:

 

[bryanz]

Yep You and Kurt had same answers and asked about as many times--

--and from 2nd link appears after thinking about it a day--all he could come up with was I'm sure his supporters could have answered--odd on 1st interview he said he was supporter.

So he did just what you did after avoiding question 3 times--put it off on someone else to find something--I believe your last retort was --look it up yourself.

So I'm going to go the extra mile and give you a
4th opportunity to avoid the question
--name his accomplishments--
:0corn

I tryed many times to respond to you.... I talked about his feats at harvard ,you say I have him confused with Bill Clinton. You post a destortion of his world travel being limited to London, I respond with the list just in the middle east, for get about the rest of his world travel..... that post was a joke in the rice for VP thread...

 

[bryanz]

your post on Obama are cynical, you are trying to suggest that his success is some how race based.... your 20% rule hasn't held up... He has or is going to win 2 to 1, states that have < 15% TO states that have > 20% Blacks in them.... He has already won 10 states that have < 6 %..... I could cut and paste and give you links all day long on why I think he's qualified....Whats the point ?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I tryed many times to respond to you.... I talked about his feats at harvard ,you say I have him confused with Bill Clinton. You post a destortion of his world travel being limited to London, I respond with the list just in the middle east, for get about the rest of his world travel..... that post was a joke in the rice for VP thread...

Lets 3 more responses but still no answer--what is it about you liberals and the --:00x7 when you have no answer--I'm trying to get to truth of matter on key issues--from those looking for hope.

You had your chances on his accomplishments--that matter is now closed

Stevie had his on immigration--closed out also

Next we'll look at economy economy

 

[bryanz]

the matter for me has been closed from the time you made your request. I'm glad you finally got it.

 

[kosar]

I would think that it would be a more fruitful use of my time to convince ptgard that Saudi's attacked the WTC with boxcutters and airplanes then convince you to vote for a black man.

:142smilie

Can you imagine how many nights Wayne has woken up in a cold sweat, screaming, after yet another nightmare involving the decent chance that there will be a black man or another Clinton elected in November?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

:142smilie

Can you imagine how many nights Wayne has woken up in a cold sweat, screaming, after yet another nightmare involving the decent chance that there will be a black man or another Clinton elected in November?

Matt how diid you and Bobby miss the thread about I'd consider Powel or Rice--it was only a few days ago???

--and they aren't half and half either and both easily qualify for pres candidate under our constitution--where Obama again is half qualifier who was fortunate to be born during time in Hawaii--and correct me if I'm wrong still holds Kenya citizenship also.

Now be that what it may--lets pretend for sake of arguement that his name Bill White-conservative and he came from liily white family with history of impeccable family values instead of grossly disfunctional family and why I could not vote for him.

I am against anyone--

- with staunch stance on affirmative action/quota's
"no hope" for those that bust there ass when competeing against quota's

--who avoids issues with present vote--if you don't have nads to give opion there is "no hope" you as leader.

--who raises taxes over 300 times in illionois senate on ind and businesses

--who voted against letting people argue self-defense in court if charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home

---Unsuccessfully sponsored measure to expunge some criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals.

--Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang

--who voted ?present? on a measure to keep pornographic books and video stores 1,000 feet away from schools and churches, and in 1999, he voted against a requirement to make schools filter internet pornography from school computers

--who voted for reduced sentences for crack offenders

Who (was only sentator) to to oppose a bill that prohibited early prison release for sex offenders

There the tip of the iceberg--the way I see it only hope is for criminals
Now ya all do a little fainting and swooning on those #s.

P.S. He also voted against gambling there --for all you that are really pissed and not politically motivated

--would you like more examples:shrug:

 

[bryanz]

did you see my post on the present votes ?

 

[bryanz]

did you see my post on his family ?

 

[bryanz]

your distortion of his record is a joke

 

[bryanz]

he is lucky to be born when he was / he's not American ?

 

[bryanz]

why didn't great american hero mccain do this .....http://obama.senate.gov/speech/050414-statement_of_senator_barack_ob/

 

[bryanz]

Obama taught constitutional law @ the Unv of Chicago....wtf do you know about our constitution ? What no answer to my question ? case closed .....:mj07: Obama wouldn't wipe his ass with 43's Ivy league credentials ...... I'm not trying to disparage one of the smartest people in the world but your boy Bush is not even in the fight when it comes to brains with this guy.

 

[smurphy]

I would think that it would be a more fruitful use of my time to convince ptgard that Saudi's attacked the WTC with boxcutters and airplanes then convince you to vote for a black man.

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07: :142smilie :142smilie :142smilie

 

[smurphy]

Matt how diid you and Bobby miss the thread about I'd consider Powel or Rice--it was only a few days ago???

--and they aren't half and half either and both easily qualify for pres candidate under our constitution--where Obama again is half qualifier who was fortunate to be born during time in Hawaii--and correct me if I'm wrong still holds Kenya citizenship also.

Now be that what it may--lets pretend for sake of arguement that his name Bill White-conservative and he came from liily white family with history of impeccable family values instead of grossly disfunctional family and why I could not vote for him.

I am against anyone--

- with staunch stance on affirmative action/quota's
"no hope" for those that bust there ass when competeing against quota's

--who avoids issues with present vote--if you don't have nads to give opion there is "no hope" you as leader.

--who raises taxes over 300 times in illionois senate on ind and businesses

--who voted against letting people argue self-defense in court if charged with violating local weapons bans by using a gun in their home

---Unsuccessfully sponsored measure to expunge some criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals.

--Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang

--who voted ?present? on a measure to keep pornographic books and video stores 1,000 feet away from schools and churches, and in 1999, he voted against a requirement to make schools filter internet pornography from school computers

--who voted for reduced sentences for crack offenders

Who (was only sentator) to to oppose a bill that prohibited early prison release for sex offenders

There the tip of the iceberg--the way I see it only hope is for criminals
Now ya all do a little fainting and swooning on those #s.

P.S. He also voted against gambling there --for all you that are really pissed and not politically motivated

--would you like more examples:shrug:

You are making yourself look more ridiculous with every Obama attack. Stop regurgitating what you find on blogs and forwarded emails and find the actual truth without your unfair spins.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

You are making yourself look more ridiculous with every Obama attack. Stop regurgitating what you find on blogs and forwarded emails and find the actual truth without your unfair spins.

You know Smurph if you had an ounce of integrity you be backing your claim up with facts--instead of your usual opinion--I'll be waiting to see which you can prove as false--and evertime you open your mouth with opinions void of facts I'll put up some more

I know it seems it has to be fabricated on him the only senator from Ill to vote no against keeping sex offenders from getting early release--however it was SB 485 (1999) here I'll make things easy on you from here on out and include the bill#

voted NO SB 381 (1997)
To require prisoners to pay court costs for frivolous lawsuits
against the state.

voted PRESENT SB 609 (2001)
To restrict the location of buildings with ?adult? uses
(meaning pornographic video stores, strip clubs, etc.) within
1,000 feet of any public or private elementary or secondary school, public park, place or worship, preschool, daycare
facility, mobile park or residential area

voted NO H1812 (1999)B
To require school boards to install software on public computers
accessible to minors to block sexually explicit material

YES SB 880 (2003)
To allow the purchase of 10 hypodermic needles from a
pharmacy without a prescription

voted yes SB 1733 (2003)
To impose a Gas Use Tax on the purchase of natural gas
from outside the state of Illinois for use or consumption in
Illinois. Forces the delivering supplier to pay 2.4 cents per
therm of gas, or the customer can elect to become a ?selfassessing?
purchaser and pay 5% of the purchase price or
2.4 cents per therm.

voted PRESENT HB 2000 (4659)
To establish a zero-tolerance drug-testing policy for
Department of Corrections Employees


do I hear you say more please??