Betting college sports vs. pro sports

Nick Douglas

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Here is a little column I wrote up for my free Picks page. I would greatly appreciate feedback on it via the questions at the bottom of the piece. If you don't want to post your answers publicly, just email me at nick_douglas@mac.com and I will keep anything you write me confidential. Thanks in advance for taking the time to help me with this.

THE BEST VALUE IN GAMBLING?

Most gamblers bet for action. Most will even admit this fact. They started out as a fan of a certain team or sport, and after the sweet nectar of gambling gets in their system, the games become boring unless a few greenbacks are at stake. They know that they don?t want to put a heck of a lot of work or effort into handicapping, so they resign themselves to the fact that they are basically paying a fee to add some electricity to their television viewing.

It is for this reason that two sports, football and basketball, have elevated themselves above all others on the American betting landscape. Pointspreads are easy to understand and easier to wager on, so American gamblers have fiercely gravitated towards those sports which lend themselves to point spread betting.

The only problem is, winning at the NFL or NBA is hard. Very hard. How many of you have read posts or heard friends complain to something of the tune of, ?I gave back all my college football (basketball) winnings in the NFL (NBA)?? How many have heard these same types complain how screwy NFL and NBA lines are and how they always get rooked by weak teams getting garbage covers on low spreads?

Because basketball and football are such popular wagering sports and because the NFL and NBA are so dad gum hard to crack for many bettors, lots of folks claim that college football and basketball are the real places to win big money.

The logic goes somthing like this: Since there are so many more games on a given college football or basketball Saturday, there are bound to be soft lines somewhere out there. With a maximum of only 14 or 16 games on the board in a NFL or NBA betting day, books are able to sharpen their lines enough to take away the bettor?s advantage. With two or three times as many games on the board in a college betting day, how can the book possibly put out good lines for all of those games?

That logic, of course, neglects the fact that it is far more difficult to keep track of all the college teams compared to the pro teams. Professional sports is under so much scrutiny that a handicapper can easily get daily updates on every single pro team from both local and national media sources. In college, it is a touch more difficult. Often fan websites or University run sites must be relied upon for up to date information. And there is also the fact that players only spend four years or less at a school, so the ability to predict performances often becomes much more remote.

So which weighs stronger? Does the sportsbook?s troubles in having to find sharp lines for a greater number of games make college sports easier to handicap? Or does the high number of teams to keep track of make college sports harder to handicap?

I would like feedback on this topic so that I can post a follow up column next week. Send an email to nick_douglas@mac.com (the address has a link at the bottom of this page) with your thoughts on the matter. Here are the questions I would like answered:

1) Do you accurately track your wagers in both college and pros?

---a) If you do, which do you perform better at?

---b) If you don?t, which do you *think* you are better at?

2) Are you a bigger fan of pro or college sports in general?

3) Do you bet on more college or pro sports in general?

4) Why do you think you are better at one than the other?

5) Do your methods of handicapping vary wildly from college to pros?

Thank you in advance to anyone willing to email me. I think this could make for some pretty interesting discussion.
 

ferdville

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Usually do far better in college than the pros. I think the games are a little truer to form because in most cases, you don't have to decide who will be motivated. Most of the college games are played by players that are happy to be playing or perhaps trying their best to advance to another level. There are inexplicable breakdowns, but not like the nut cases that populate the NBA and to a lesser extent, NFL. I also believe college plays are easier because there are more games and lines can be skewed at times. This occurs alot in college hoops where there are scores of games each day that books just can't fine tune the way they do with the one week time period in NFL. Injury and illness isn't as easily detected in the college hoops as well because they play so often. I also prefer college football to the pros and have an even greater love for college hoops over NBA. I find it very hard to watch an NBA game under any circumstances. I suspect that many of us do better with the collegiate sports, but don't have the will power necessary to lay off the Sunday games.
 

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Good question Nick. To put it simply I think the books flat out answer this question leaving no doubt. Is there another sport that they will go as far as offering no juice at times other than pro football to vie for the punters action?
The flip side,minority sports,road racing,golf,tennis ect.
Not only do there carry juice as high as 34cent lines but limit amount wagered in most instances. Hello! You think they are trying to tell us anything?Using Madjacks as example,while there is not much on tennis, the auto and golf threads have been very profitable year in and year out. Of course these sports are boring to most,and excitement of betting on sport we like and watch draws us in. I am just as guilty as I know 1837 and crew will show profit if I just follow but not being fan of racing I rarily wager that sport--and knowing foots will be a bear to squeeze out a profit in I find myself still making token wagers especially during bowl season which I love.
 

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I can't really come down on one side or the other, but just wanted to give you a response, Nick.

For years, I've been much better at betting pro foots than college. This year, while I've hovered at about .500 on the pros, I've done really well at college.

I've always thought that it's something you mention: For the pros, I'm able to keep 32 teams in my head week in and week out, and a rough idea of their strengths and weaknesses. When I go through the lines the first time each week, I try to identify soft spots and start focussing in.

With college, I can keep in mind 20-25 teams, but I might only get one game per week where two of those teams are playing. I have NO idea how to bet any game with a spread of 17+.

There may be more soft spots in college, and if I had more time each week, maybe I'd like to be able to form an opinion on North Texas vs. Cincinnatti, but for now, it's really all pros with me.

Hellah10 -- I agree you have more parity in the NFL. Why does that make it tougher to bet, though?
 

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1 - I do keep records and have found that the NBA is my most profitable sport. There are just so many games during the season that it presents a lot of opportunities. NCAA hoops or foots is next, the NFL is always dead last, I just hope and pray I can break even there each year, as you said, it's just for the action.

2 - Number one sport is the NFL, no doubt. Second would be college football, then NCAA hoops and lastly the NBA. I don't bet on golf but I do enjoy watching it on TV - go figure.

3 - I bet the same amount on everything, strictly go by units. If it's not worth betting a unit then why make the play? And conversely, if it's worth playing then why not make the same size bet as all the others? I know a lot of guys around here use a rating system and I tracked several of them for periods of time and found that, for the most part, the ratings meant very little. Although JT Sneaks 4 unit plays were pretty dad-burned strong.

4 - I'm a contrarian in the NBA. It works. These young men are so emotional that I think the stats don't mean a hell of a lot, I look for trends more than anything - and then buck the trend.

5 - Basically I suck at handicapping in all the sports so why bother changing it around? :)
 

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Tough question, to each his own I guess....I would give the nod to definitely college football over the nfl, thats a no brainer IMO....Aside from maybe 1-2 games a week in nfl that always look really good to me, I dont want to guess which team is gonna cover which it basically is....All the teams have talent, and teams turn it over inexplicably, and the games get hyped the crap out of all week on espn, the newspapers, etc
Id much rather bet college ftball, the talent disparity is much easier to grasp.....when you lay a big number in college, you know you have the much better squad, and I dont say bet favorites blindly youll go broke, but you can pick and choose favorites and if you get the right one theyll win big, as the talent gap is big
Hoops is my favorite in general to bet b/c of the volume day to day, so cant really answer that....totals-wise, I think nba totals are much easier to beat then pro...much more scoring, so more leeway to go under or over either way, college ones a lot tighter.....I also think this might make NBA slightly easier to bet because more time for the better team to come ahead, but the emotional swings tough to handicap...bigger disparities talent wise again in college hoops which makes it good, like both college hoops and pro
Good thread, sorry for my writing style just write what comes to my head kind of ala fletcher a little bit, g luck to all

Mike
 
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