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Finally had a nice winning weekend with some easy covers and nice profits. I especially liked Colorado almost winning outright between the hedges... luckily they found a way to blow the SU win.

I played these a couple days ago on Pinnacle and will just post the lines I got them at, as to not screw up my record keeping... I havent been able to post because of school... I hate school. I see some have gone against me, some for me in the last couple days.

Nebraska -20.5 (KU)
------ Lets just be honest. Nebraska is going to be out for blood in this one. I mentioned a couple weeks ago that I didnt like the cap the 'revenge factor' as I think it is one of the most overrused tools out there... But this is a LEGIT case where it should come into play.
KU absolutely plastered Nebraska last year in Lawrence. I was there, and it wasnt pretty. The Huskers were embarassed. Most of that team is back this year, and if they have a chance to pile it on in this one, I absolutely expect them to do it.
KU's QB situation is still up in the air. I expect Meier to go... if not... its gonna be ugly. Last week I said Mangino would simplify the game plan for Barmann so he couldnt kill them... that was exactly the case.
This time around, Mangino wont be able to do that. Nebraska is going to score on KU's defense... so Mangino will HAVE to open up the offense. This is where it gets ugly. When Barmann feels like he has to put the team on his shoulders, and starts throwing it into double coverage, or running around and fumbling the ball.
There is a reason this line has jumped, and the public has it right, I'm afraid.
I hope I am wrong... but I doubt it.

Baylor -1.5 (KSU)
---- KSU is actually the favorite right now. WHAT???!!!
This team is AWFUL! I keep saying it... but it cant be understated. They truly are a terrible team. And I'm still not sure if Prince can coach a lick.
I see this as a fairly low scoring affair, but with the Bears having control of it all game long... something like a 17-7 or 20-10 game.
Its weird to think... but Baylor could EASILY be 4-0 right now. And that is why there is HUGE value here. If one play in each of there games had gone the other way, they easily could be undefeated. In that case, this line is -7.5 or something. And KSU's wins are all against creampuffs.
If this line gets to 3 by kickoff... I will be loading up. As is, I will probably add a unit or more.

Texas A&M -2.5 (TT)
--- Texas Tech doesnt impress me at all. There offense isnt clicking, and the new clock thing seems to be a detriment to them... eliminating possessions (Leach went NUTS about this rule in the media call a couple weeks ago).
A&M isnt great, but they will grind down the Raiders and take away some of their routes... I think they win be a TD or more.

Colorado +14.5 (@Mis.)
--- Yeah, I'll back them again.
They guys can play defense... and any week now, they will start playing with some more chemistry and win some football games. They are DEFINATELY not as bad as people think, and that is something I said before they almost shocked Georgia.
They will find a way to keep Daniels from going nuts, and I think they keep this one respectable... with the same gameplan they had last week: try to shorten the game and give themselves a chance to win in the 2nd half.


Also... a little add-on. This isnt a big 12 play, but I am going to play it based on what I saw last week.

USF +4 (Rut.)
--- USF has just as much talent as Rutgers and gets this one at home. I think they will win outright.
This team has VERY VERY good team speed. They will do everything they can to keep Rice in check, and I think they do that.
Grothe impressed me... he is very allusive and has speed... He also mostly avoided mistakes... which would have killed them last week.
I see this Bull team flying to the ball and staying with Rutgers until the end, and pulling off the upset to knock the Knights from the polls next week.

GL guys.
 

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baylor could be 4-0, but theyre 1-3 for a reason. very simply, the dont know "how to win". very rudimentary football concept, but its applicable to a handful of programs. eastern michigan is the same way in the mac. they can put themselves in position to win games, but they dont know how to make the plays that really matter. for godsakes, they just lost to army at home in a spot that was tailor-made for a baylor rout. to load up on baylor is like loading up on eastern michigan. theyll tease you and tease you, but the bottom line is the losing culture that surrounds both programs is too difficult to overcome.
 

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I realize what your saying... but I dont necesarily think that tells the whole story.

Baylor has a lot of talent, but I think they have been underminded by the offensive switch so far. They outplayed TCU in the first game but had difficulty when they get in the red zone, and I attributed all of that to not being comforatable with the offense. Same with the Wazzu game. The Army upset is un-defendable... but those guys almost beat Texas A&M too... they caught 'em off guard. I can tell you... KSU wont catch em off guard...

Sounds like you will be on the other side on this one Gman... are you?
 

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Sounds like you will be on the other side on this one Gman... are you?

absolutely not. kansas state is not a good football team. the problem, of course, is that baylor isn't either.

the bears want to run a texas tech-style offense.
what they dont realize is that the most important part of a successful spread offense is the ability to run the ball.

that probably sounds paradoxical.

but its the reason that baylor isnt winning games down the stretch. they cant run the football and its killing promising drives.

fundamentally, kansas state's ability to move the chains with clayton is the reason the reason i would trust ksu in a close game long before id trust baylor. again, i want no part of kstate. but theyre fundamentally better than baylor.
 

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OK... I agree with most of what you are saying... And yeah, Baylor hasnt been able to move the ball on the ground to save their lives... I believe they are near the bottom of the NCAA right now...

But again, I think that has been getting acclimated to the system more than subpar players. And I do think they have the horses to get this going... I like their WR's (at least I did before the season...), I like their QB, and their RB's have talent.

If KSU is constantly losing the battle of field position in this one... which I think will happen... Baylor will control this thing.

I have never been as much of a Clayton fan as most. He never did enough to justify the fuss over him. He is better than what Baylor has... but I dont think he is going to be able to be the difference here...

I appreciate the opinions though, Gman... Lets see if Morriss has made them learn their lesson from past late game struggles.
 

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It was mind-boggling to see Baylor favored early on at first blush. Have to agree KSU is a really bad team so far. Agree with GMan's points about Baylor's mindset, and am also concerned about their inability to run. KSU will continue to get public $. I will probably throw a few sheckles at Baylor if it moves to +3.
 
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