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Is ND going to join BE in Football?
I didn't think they would because they would probably lose money, seeing as they have their own TV contract, and don't have to share revenues...
I didn't think they would because they would probably lose money, seeing as they have their own TV contract, and don't have to share revenues...
I think Marshall would be a good addition for the Big East. Football wise, they have outgrown the MAC (sorry Hellah).
yes that was the deal for them to get into big east for all sports besides fb is that when contact runs out in 2006 or 7 they had to move fb in, they are in every other sports mens and womens and it is a signed contact with a big fine if they backed out which they won't because it is a good fit for them in all sports and kd the big ten pitt talk is just that talk number 1 big ten is really not intrested in adding pitt, and a even bigger stumbling block pitt does not have the funding in their sports programs to join big ten, they almsot had to drop baseball due to lack of funds, they do not have the huge fan base of a wvu, va.tech or syracuse for fb where they get 65,000 to 67,000 a game and wvu and syracuse draw 12,000 to 15,000 in hoops those 3 schools are the only ones in big east that are self supporting the other big east schools get state money for help with sports pitt has been in trouble a few times. but wvu,va tech and syracuse all run in the black from their own department and boosters every other big east school gets state help, n.dame is it's own department also with out state grants but they are set for life anyway. To run you programs with out state help means you are bringing in the fans and it is tuff but those 4 schools do it. pitt could not make it with their budget in big ten have a family member who use to coach there now at penn.state. also not quite the acd. type school that big ten likes it is a great school but does not fit big ten, they would be broke in 5-10 years if that.
marshall has a hard on for cusa for some reason . i don't know why but for some reason they shy away from big east talk when it has been brought up. i would love to see them but i think big east would take louisville and cinn. because of hoops over heard.
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Sorry sex ape, WVU has only averaged 41, 329 for football over the last 2 years, not 65000-67000. And their basketball team has averaged 7, 781 over the same period, not 12000-15000. If anything, they belong in the Colonial conference, not the acc. Shit, if they weren't the only thing going in that inbred, redneck state they would be Div 1-AA. Let's stick to the facts from now on.
PP
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Sorry sex ape, WVU has only averaged 41, 329 for football over the last 2 years, not 65000-67000. And their basketball team has averaged 7, 781 over the same period, not 12000-15000. If anything, they belong in the Colonial conference, not the acc. Shit, if they weren't the only thing going in that inbred, redneck state they would be Div 1-AA. Let's stick to the facts from now on.
PP
Fletcher- You are saying that Miami would not get to play the big east games this coming season! Thats a bigger disaster than St Bonny not playing the remainder of the hoops schedule. However, I think Miami could survive this nightmare, after all look at Oklahoma the past 3 seasons dropping major programs from its schedule. Miami could find major major programs to play out of conf as soon as this season. I know a frew major teams that have 1aa teams on thier schedules becasue of teams dropping out of contracts. Miami would fill the void in 5 schools schedules at the top of my head.
Also what do you think the ramifications would be on the other major conferances around the country? The Pac 10 is on record of saying that if any of the other major power conferances expand they will not hesitate to expand either (BYU/UTAH) which would destroy Mtn West, who would then replace them with WAC schools, who would then replace with WCC schools... etc etc.. the domino effect. Do you agree with that theory?
I see your from Henderson, we just bought a vacation home in Henderson, and will be spending plenty of weekends in Henderson soon as the house is built.
Also what do you think the ramifications would be on the other major conferances around the country? The Pac 10 is on record of saying that if any of the other major power conferances expand they will not hesitate to expand either (BYU/UTAH) which would destroy Mtn West, who would then replace them with WAC schools, who would then replace with WCC schools... etc etc.. the domino effect. Do you agree with that theory?
I see your from Henderson, we just bought a vacation home in Henderson, and will be spending plenty of weekends in Henderson soon as the house is built.
no i am saying that was just some of the cock fighting going on and pp you have no clue i think i know wvu much better then you every will , out of their 6 home games, they sold out miami added 5000 temp seats, maryland, bc and syracuse. other 2 games ecu had 54, 000 and first game was a fill in date with a 1 aa team and hoops drew more then 7000 a game you are not adding in students, i don't even what you to try to tell me you know the program and big east better then me , i have had ties and my family to program for over 25 years.
bgold was just saying some of the shit that is being flung around this is a bad split and done wrong after last years meeting. pp your a kid don't try to tall me about college sports since i only coached 12 = years in d1 2 and have a ws ring from d2 and njcaa as a coach. and have family who played and coached at wvu and pitt. you try so hard but once again you are wrong.
and bgold i don't think that would happen ncaa would step in but it will get worse before it gets better. but like i said it is a business and 1 team does not make the conf. pp calling wvu weak that is another joke, hell in hoops they were in sweet 16 3 or 4 years agao and like i said they have more big east titles in fb besides miami. should not even respond to you. you get your facts from reading i get them right from coaches in the program and at other big east and big ten schools. so stay to your little privite pecker contest , go to school get a degree or a job i can see it 10 years from now still will live in hickville and have the boys hanging by your side eating goverenment cheese.
Yhis won't get anywher bg till heads cool off but big east will not fold. as for the pac 10 and others it all depends this is very big money mt.west needs to go. but sooner or later ncaa will draw the line. but they have no say as to droping games from teams if big east would want to black ball cains nor do they have a say in gate splits and that is what i think will happen cains will lose all monies, big east is just not going to give them 250,000 or 300,000 if they win it for the next 2 years and have them leave and split bowl money with them . it is lot of upset coaches right now because miami lied last year in spring meeting, if this was done right you would not have the anger that you see right now from the other schools. like i said davis was against move. and said it in conf again today but like he said i am only a coach. big east has a great commish and very strong ties and money they will do just fine, acc was the one hurting that is why they are trying to grab a few better teams. but at this point anything can happen and ncaa cannot do shit to stop big east from what ever they do, they are for rules they do not have control over schools and sports confrences
bgold was just saying some of the shit that is being flung around this is a bad split and done wrong after last years meeting. pp your a kid don't try to tall me about college sports since i only coached 12 = years in d1 2 and have a ws ring from d2 and njcaa as a coach. and have family who played and coached at wvu and pitt. you try so hard but once again you are wrong.
and bgold i don't think that would happen ncaa would step in but it will get worse before it gets better. but like i said it is a business and 1 team does not make the conf. pp calling wvu weak that is another joke, hell in hoops they were in sweet 16 3 or 4 years agao and like i said they have more big east titles in fb besides miami. should not even respond to you. you get your facts from reading i get them right from coaches in the program and at other big east and big ten schools. so stay to your little privite pecker contest , go to school get a degree or a job i can see it 10 years from now still will live in hickville and have the boys hanging by your side eating goverenment cheese.
Yhis won't get anywher bg till heads cool off but big east will not fold. as for the pac 10 and others it all depends this is very big money mt.west needs to go. but sooner or later ncaa will draw the line. but they have no say as to droping games from teams if big east would want to black ball cains nor do they have a say in gate splits and that is what i think will happen cains will lose all monies, big east is just not going to give them 250,000 or 300,000 if they win it for the next 2 years and have them leave and split bowl money with them . it is lot of upset coaches right now because miami lied last year in spring meeting, if this was done right you would not have the anger that you see right now from the other schools. like i said davis was against move. and said it in conf again today but like he said i am only a coach. big east has a great commish and very strong ties and money they will do just fine, acc was the one hurting that is why they are trying to grab a few better teams. but at this point anything can happen and ncaa cannot do shit to stop big east from what ever they do, they are for rules they do not have control over schools and sports confrences
also pp you are more dense then i thought yes you really know the program hoops 2 years ago had to play all home games through out the state becaue collisum was shut down due to structure so they plaid 5 games at fairmont state holds 4500, 5 or 6 games in welling holds 4000 or so and 7 or 8 games at charleston civic center where they beat fl this year 6100 if you cram them in so figures are not right at all my friend. and the numbers you are giving are paid addits in football sold tickets my friend, the 15,000 student section does not go down on attendance because it is paid through student activities not gate income so add your 15,000 students to that number , but you know coaching and how it works better then me because you are the contest king, **** you could not even find a super bowl party so don't try to tell me something you have no clue about.
Eric, I'm not sure if you were talking about me or not, but I didn't mean w Virginia was a up start. I said their program was certainly on the rise. I just meant after their 3-8 season in 2001 they bounced back strong, especially towards end of season. They lost early at Wisconsin & at Maryland and them pretty much ran the table except for Miami. That offense started to click nice in second half.
Pittsburgh has something like 20 starters back, they are really happy about outlook for 2003. Which is good, that program has worked hard to get back to 8 0' s Pittsburgh Football.
And Syracuse had a terrible season, but I hear they are happy with their recruiting. It is extremely rare Syracuse has a 5 win season.
All and all I was just saying what is happening with big East is a shame, because for the recognition it gets, it is a great football conference. Miami 12-1, then w Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College, & Pittsburgh all go 9-4. Only temple and Rutgers suck, and temple is already booted out. Connecticut is replacing them, and the Huskies will be respectable in a few short seasons, they finished last year winning 4 straight.
Even for baskets it will suck. Yes Boston College & Syracuse would get to enter tobacco road for baskets, but most people in New England & New York have really enjoyed big East basketball tournament at Madison Square Garden for decades. Who wants to travel to Charlotte or Greensboro for conference tournament? Plus schools like Providence, St. Johns, Seton Hall all get screwed.
Miami greed is causing all this problem, and I hope they get screwed somehow in the coming season.
Pittsburgh has something like 20 starters back, they are really happy about outlook for 2003. Which is good, that program has worked hard to get back to 8 0' s Pittsburgh Football.
And Syracuse had a terrible season, but I hear they are happy with their recruiting. It is extremely rare Syracuse has a 5 win season.
All and all I was just saying what is happening with big East is a shame, because for the recognition it gets, it is a great football conference. Miami 12-1, then w Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College, & Pittsburgh all go 9-4. Only temple and Rutgers suck, and temple is already booted out. Connecticut is replacing them, and the Huskies will be respectable in a few short seasons, they finished last year winning 4 straight.
Even for baskets it will suck. Yes Boston College & Syracuse would get to enter tobacco road for baskets, but most people in New England & New York have really enjoyed big East basketball tournament at Madison Square Garden for decades. Who wants to travel to Charlotte or Greensboro for conference tournament? Plus schools like Providence, St. Johns, Seton Hall all get screwed.
Miami greed is causing all this problem, and I hope they get screwed somehow in the coming season.
don't like the move
don't like the move
I don't view this as most people do, possibly because I've gotten an undergraduate degree, am getting a dental degree and was an athlete at UNC, a school notoriously known for hoops and not college football. I think this move is horrible for the ACC as a conference. It's just so old that everything in this world has to do with money. I don't care who wants who out of what conference or whatever, when it all boils down to it, it's about money, pure and simple.
The ACC was unique in that it was one of only a few conferences left in college athletics that truly was a conference in a geographic sense. It really was schools of the Atlantic Coast for the most part, below the mason-dixon line. Schools like Miami makes more sense to me. But what the hell do southern schools need to be flying into Syracuse, upstate NY, in the middle of winter and blizzards to play bball. (assuming syracuse is in of course). This is just absurd to me. I know this is a great move for FSU, NCSU etc because it makes the ACC a pseudo-powerhouse in football. It's just going to create so many problems as far as college sports as a whole. Other schools will fill in the spots vacated in the big east, then others will follow, etc etc.
I just don't understand the need for this at all. It was incredible to get to play Dook, MD, and the other ACC schools twice a year in basketball. Are you telling me these rivalries, some of the best in all of sports, are going to be jeapordized? I can't imagine only being able to play Dook once a year, and maybe not even at home some years!?!
I'm sorry, I think this is an absolutely horrible move in the big picture. Like everything else in life, it's all about the almighty dollar.
don't like the move
I don't view this as most people do, possibly because I've gotten an undergraduate degree, am getting a dental degree and was an athlete at UNC, a school notoriously known for hoops and not college football. I think this move is horrible for the ACC as a conference. It's just so old that everything in this world has to do with money. I don't care who wants who out of what conference or whatever, when it all boils down to it, it's about money, pure and simple.
The ACC was unique in that it was one of only a few conferences left in college athletics that truly was a conference in a geographic sense. It really was schools of the Atlantic Coast for the most part, below the mason-dixon line. Schools like Miami makes more sense to me. But what the hell do southern schools need to be flying into Syracuse, upstate NY, in the middle of winter and blizzards to play bball. (assuming syracuse is in of course). This is just absurd to me. I know this is a great move for FSU, NCSU etc because it makes the ACC a pseudo-powerhouse in football. It's just going to create so many problems as far as college sports as a whole. Other schools will fill in the spots vacated in the big east, then others will follow, etc etc.
I just don't understand the need for this at all. It was incredible to get to play Dook, MD, and the other ACC schools twice a year in basketball. Are you telling me these rivalries, some of the best in all of sports, are going to be jeapordized? I can't imagine only being able to play Dook once a year, and maybe not even at home some years!?!
I'm sorry, I think this is an absolutely horrible move in the big picture. Like everything else in life, it's all about the almighty dollar.
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just saw article wear they said acc doesnt even want vriginia tech. great inside info here. :moon: 
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:nooo:stop the madness
stop the madness
Hey Dr. Freeze, IT'S NOT COOL TO MAKE FUN OF THE SEX APES SPELLING AND GRAMMAR. WE ALREADY KNOW HE'S FULL OF IT, BUT THERE IS NO REASON TO TAKE CHEAP SHOTS ABOUT STUPID STUFF THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
PP
stop the madness
Hey Dr. Freeze, IT'S NOT COOL TO MAKE FUN OF THE SEX APES SPELLING AND GRAMMAR. WE ALREADY KNOW HE'S FULL OF IT, BUT THERE IS NO REASON TO TAKE CHEAP SHOTS ABOUT STUPID STUFF THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
PP
here is an article that i read on cnn that lists boston college,syracuse, & miami as the three schools that the acc is going after.
saint,
good post & agree with you 100%.
i read an article that said that jim boeheim is against the move for syr. to move to the acc. hopefully his opinion will mean something.
RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- The Atlantic Coast Conference decided on its expansion targets Friday, and forced the Big East into survival mode.
The ACC presidents voted in a conference call to begin formal discussions with Miami, Syracuse and Boston College.
The expansion would make it a 12-team superconference with a football championship game.
The defections would leave the Big East with 11 members and an undecided future.
The Big East starts its annual meetings Saturday in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla.
Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese said Friday he was informed of the invitations in a phone call from John Swofford, his counterpart at the ACC.
"This comes as no surprise," Tranghese said. "We are looking forward to productive meetings this weekend. I am anxious to get started."
The timing of the ACC vote, on the eve of the Big East meetings, could be crucial to the process.
"It is our intention to give the Big East Conference a full and fair hearing regarding our continued membership," Miami said in a statement Friday.
The talk may be a little late.
"It's like a marriage proposal, you don't ask unless you know the answer," Miami athletic director Paul Dee said earlier in the week of the ACC's overtures.
Miami and its top-notch football program was the main target of the ACC, and a move to 12 teams would create two divisions in football and a lucrative playoff for a championship game like the SEC and Big 12 conferences.
It also would secure the ACC's position in any further Bowl Championship Series contracts.
The ACC's latest payout to its nine teams was a record $9.7 million each -- the most by any conference.
Miami lost $1.5 million during the 2001-02 academic year -- a season in which the football team won the national title and the men's basketball team posted its best record ever and advanced to the NCAA tournament.
Duke and North Carolina, the only two ACC schools that voted not to expand several days ago at the league's meetings in Florida, voted to include the three Big East schools in a morning conference call among the school presidents.
"We were not in favor of expansion," Duke president Nan Keohane said. "But since the decision to expand has now been made, we decided that we wish to be part of framing the outcome and to join with our partners in the conference in making this step as positive as possible for everyone involved."
Virginia and that state's legislature were pushing hard for the Hokies to be included in deal. But a proposal submitted by the Cavaliers to include in-state rival Virginia Tech fell short of the necessary seven votes by ACC school presidents, the league announced.
Clemson's James Barker, chair of the ACC Council of Presidents, said expansion is pending based on ACC by-laws, which include visits to the three campuses and discussions with each school president.
N.C. State athletic director Lee Fowler said the ACC's show of unity in the process was impressive.
"I don't think it's over by any means, but I'm glad we've come to this decision before the [Big East] started formal discussions," Fowler said.
"A lot of people have accused us of being after money only. But we're just looking to maintain our position financially," he said. "Some people thought staying where we were has been good, but it's healthy we're moving ahead as a cohesive group."
Virginia Tech athletic director Jim Weaver, in his hotel room in Florida preparing for the Big East meetings, was direct and to the point when he heard the news.
"My resolve is to work as hard as we can to keep the Big East Conference intact," Weaver said. "But obviously we don't want to spend four or five days doing that and then have people say they're gone. I'd rather if they've made up their minds, tell us up front so we can get on with life."
Virginia Tech and the other Big East schools could find themselves in football limbo in a few weeks.
"We might have had money to help Miami stay, but I don't think we have extra money to make Syracuse and BC stay," Weaver said of any possible incentives the Big East could offer schools. "And to be honest with you, if Syracuse and BC don't want this to happen, they can say no because I know the ACC doesn't want to go to 10.
"Those people are going to have travel budgets like they've never encountered before for their Olympic sports," Weaver added. "They'll understand what we have been doing at Virginia Tech because we've got to get on airplanes for everybody."
The ACC has expanded just twice in 50 years. Georgia Tech came into the league in 1978 and football power Florida State was added in 1991.
saint,
good post & agree with you 100%.
i read an article that said that jim boeheim is against the move for syr. to move to the acc. hopefully his opinion will mean something.
RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- The Atlantic Coast Conference decided on its expansion targets Friday, and forced the Big East into survival mode.
The ACC presidents voted in a conference call to begin formal discussions with Miami, Syracuse and Boston College.
The expansion would make it a 12-team superconference with a football championship game.
The defections would leave the Big East with 11 members and an undecided future.
The Big East starts its annual meetings Saturday in Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla.
Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese said Friday he was informed of the invitations in a phone call from John Swofford, his counterpart at the ACC.
"This comes as no surprise," Tranghese said. "We are looking forward to productive meetings this weekend. I am anxious to get started."
The timing of the ACC vote, on the eve of the Big East meetings, could be crucial to the process.
"It is our intention to give the Big East Conference a full and fair hearing regarding our continued membership," Miami said in a statement Friday.
The talk may be a little late.
"It's like a marriage proposal, you don't ask unless you know the answer," Miami athletic director Paul Dee said earlier in the week of the ACC's overtures.
Miami and its top-notch football program was the main target of the ACC, and a move to 12 teams would create two divisions in football and a lucrative playoff for a championship game like the SEC and Big 12 conferences.
It also would secure the ACC's position in any further Bowl Championship Series contracts.
The ACC's latest payout to its nine teams was a record $9.7 million each -- the most by any conference.
Miami lost $1.5 million during the 2001-02 academic year -- a season in which the football team won the national title and the men's basketball team posted its best record ever and advanced to the NCAA tournament.
Duke and North Carolina, the only two ACC schools that voted not to expand several days ago at the league's meetings in Florida, voted to include the three Big East schools in a morning conference call among the school presidents.
"We were not in favor of expansion," Duke president Nan Keohane said. "But since the decision to expand has now been made, we decided that we wish to be part of framing the outcome and to join with our partners in the conference in making this step as positive as possible for everyone involved."
Virginia and that state's legislature were pushing hard for the Hokies to be included in deal. But a proposal submitted by the Cavaliers to include in-state rival Virginia Tech fell short of the necessary seven votes by ACC school presidents, the league announced.
Clemson's James Barker, chair of the ACC Council of Presidents, said expansion is pending based on ACC by-laws, which include visits to the three campuses and discussions with each school president.
N.C. State athletic director Lee Fowler said the ACC's show of unity in the process was impressive.
"I don't think it's over by any means, but I'm glad we've come to this decision before the [Big East] started formal discussions," Fowler said.
"A lot of people have accused us of being after money only. But we're just looking to maintain our position financially," he said. "Some people thought staying where we were has been good, but it's healthy we're moving ahead as a cohesive group."
Virginia Tech athletic director Jim Weaver, in his hotel room in Florida preparing for the Big East meetings, was direct and to the point when he heard the news.
"My resolve is to work as hard as we can to keep the Big East Conference intact," Weaver said. "But obviously we don't want to spend four or five days doing that and then have people say they're gone. I'd rather if they've made up their minds, tell us up front so we can get on with life."
Virginia Tech and the other Big East schools could find themselves in football limbo in a few weeks.
"We might have had money to help Miami stay, but I don't think we have extra money to make Syracuse and BC stay," Weaver said of any possible incentives the Big East could offer schools. "And to be honest with you, if Syracuse and BC don't want this to happen, they can say no because I know the ACC doesn't want to go to 10.
"Those people are going to have travel budgets like they've never encountered before for their Olympic sports," Weaver added. "They'll understand what we have been doing at Virginia Tech because we've got to get on airplanes for everybody."
The ACC has expanded just twice in 50 years. Georgia Tech came into the league in 1978 and football power Florida State was added in 1991.
here is an article i just read in the ny post that says that the big east is thinking of turning the tables on the acc.
BIG EAST PLANNING
TO RAID ACC
By LENN ROBBINS
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May 17, 2003 -- Two can play this game.
When the Big East Conference meetings begin today in Florida, one of the strategies to ward off the poaching Atlantic Coast Conference will be to use the same tactics as the ACC.
A source with close ties to several schools in both conferences told The Post that Big East athletic directors will hear a proposal to turn the tables on the ACC by luring Florida State, Maryland and a third school to be determined, to the Big East.
It will be one of many ideas discussed but it seems to be the most daring. Instead of the ACC creating a super conference, it would be the Big East that could boast of an all-sports league featuring a lucrative football championship game.
A Super Big East could be more attractive than a Super ACC and it could make more sense. The new Big East would feature football powers Miami, Florida State, and Virginia Tech - which is not part of the ACC expansion plan - along with up-and-coming Maryland and Pittsburgh. If the third school is not an ACC member, Louisville, because of its rising football program and its Rick Pitino-led basketball program, would be a desirable option.
"It's really the first I've heard of it," said Dave Haglund, Maryland's associate athletic director for media relations. "I suppose it could have been discussed at a higher level."
Maryland AD Debbie Yow, who was at the Division I women's lacrosse championship in Syracuse, was not reachable. Florida State assistant athletic director Rob Wilson also was not reachable last evening.
Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese released a statement Thursday saying, "This is a conference worth preserving and we should all look forward to the challenge."
The ACC created this climate of conference raiding when it voted to expand from nine to 12 teams. The schools targeted by the ACC are Miami, Syracuse and Boston College. If those teams leave, it would ravage the Big East and leave schools such as Connecticut, Rutgers and West Virginia, which have Division I-A football in a terrible bind.
The non-Division I-A football playing schools - St. John's, Seton Hall, Georgetown, Providence, Villanova - along with Notre Dame, would look to reform a basketball-driven league by adding Marquette, DePaul and Xavier.
BIG EAST PLANNING
TO RAID ACC
By LENN ROBBINS
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May 17, 2003 -- Two can play this game.
When the Big East Conference meetings begin today in Florida, one of the strategies to ward off the poaching Atlantic Coast Conference will be to use the same tactics as the ACC.
A source with close ties to several schools in both conferences told The Post that Big East athletic directors will hear a proposal to turn the tables on the ACC by luring Florida State, Maryland and a third school to be determined, to the Big East.
It will be one of many ideas discussed but it seems to be the most daring. Instead of the ACC creating a super conference, it would be the Big East that could boast of an all-sports league featuring a lucrative football championship game.
A Super Big East could be more attractive than a Super ACC and it could make more sense. The new Big East would feature football powers Miami, Florida State, and Virginia Tech - which is not part of the ACC expansion plan - along with up-and-coming Maryland and Pittsburgh. If the third school is not an ACC member, Louisville, because of its rising football program and its Rick Pitino-led basketball program, would be a desirable option.
"It's really the first I've heard of it," said Dave Haglund, Maryland's associate athletic director for media relations. "I suppose it could have been discussed at a higher level."
Maryland AD Debbie Yow, who was at the Division I women's lacrosse championship in Syracuse, was not reachable. Florida State assistant athletic director Rob Wilson also was not reachable last evening.
Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese released a statement Thursday saying, "This is a conference worth preserving and we should all look forward to the challenge."
The ACC created this climate of conference raiding when it voted to expand from nine to 12 teams. The schools targeted by the ACC are Miami, Syracuse and Boston College. If those teams leave, it would ravage the Big East and leave schools such as Connecticut, Rutgers and West Virginia, which have Division I-A football in a terrible bind.
The non-Division I-A football playing schools - St. John's, Seton Hall, Georgetown, Providence, Villanova - along with Notre Dame, would look to reform a basketball-driven league by adding Marquette, DePaul and Xavier.
fletch, the first big east meeting was today. They could not have decided to kick them out yet. I would love to see Miami ang boys come over (only if MD, Duke and NC played 2 a year in hoops), but Big East is throwing money at them. Just because you are quoting some WVU coach, doesn't mean it's going to happen. The coaches have no input. It's all the University Presidents. So do not act like you are on the inside with your info.
Miami has brought all the cash into the Big East and have to share with the other schools, that is why they have a defecit and looking to leave. If Miami leaves, theBig East is not going to kick them out. Too much cash to the Big East while they are there
Miami has brought all the cash into the Big East and have to share with the other schools, that is why they have a defecit and looking to leave. If Miami leaves, theBig East is not going to kick them out. Too much cash to the Big East while they are there
I know this isn't news to us around here as we knew what was going to happen a month and a half ago. Great info, fletcher!! Thanks for sharing
Wednesday, June 25
ACC: Both schools ready to accept
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ESPN.com news services
GREENSBORO, N.C. -- The Atlantic Coast Conference ended its six-week expansion saga Wednesday by inviting only Miami and Virginia Tech to leave the Big East and join its league.
"These two institutions represent and share the values for which the ACC has long been known,'' said Clemson University President James F. Barker, head of the league's Council of Presidents. "We feel they will be a great addition to our family.''
Miami and Virginia Tech are the Big East's two dominant football schools, and the move to go to 11 schools wasn't one of the many scenarios presented since the ACC's vote to expand on May 13.
Barker said the invitation to Virginia Tech, a dark horse candidate that was added at the insistence of Virginia, was "subject to final completion of the conference bylaw requirements'' -- a site visit that was under way Wednesday.
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The Hokies are expected to accept their invitation possibly as early as Wednesday night, ESPN.com has learned, while Miami officials were deliberating Wednesday afternoon in preparation for what is expected to be acceptance, barring some financial concerns the university has about joining an 11-team conference without Northeast schools Boston College and Syracuse or a guarantee of a football championship game.
Virginia Tech wants to be a member of the same conference as Virginia, much like a North Carolina State/North Carolina pairing. Tech's move to the ACC is considered a slam dunk for the university's non-revenue sports because at least half of the ACC's campuses are within driving distance from Blacksburg.
The ACC held a 2?-hour conference call Tuesday night among its presidents, but commissioner John Swofford then refused to say what transpired.
Sources told ESPN that the vote was 7-2 in favor of inviting the Hurricanes and the Hokies.
On Wednesday, Boston College issued a statement that said the ACC decided to invite Miami and Virginia Tech to join the conference. Boston College and Syracuse were two of the three Big East schools the ACC had visited, along with Miami, with a view toward expansion.
"This unexpected vote ended our discussions with the ACC,'' the BC statement said.
Also on Wednesday, Virginia Tech's governing board unanimously authorized president Charles Steger to negotiate a deal with the ACC.
Voting at a hastily called meeting in Roanoke, Va., the Board of Visitors gave Steger the authority to talk to ACC leaders about joining the league and to make the decision himself on whether to make the move.
Steger said afterward that the ACC still has not formally invited Virginia Tech to join, but that if an offer came, "we would be inclined to accept it.''
ACC spokesman Brian Morrison said a four- or five-member delegation from the league went to Blacksburg, Va., on Wednesday for a site visit, as required by ACC bylaws.
The ACC presidents voted to expand on May 13, and conference officials visited Miami, Boston College and Syracuse to assess their facilities. Virginia Tech came into the picture last week, as part of a compromise suggested by Virginia president John T. Casteen III.
Virginia Tech was one of five Big East football schools that filed a lawsuit June 6 to try to stop BC, Miami and Syracuse from leaving the conference. Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers and West Virginia were the other parties to the suit.
Connecticut president Philip Austin said Virginia Tech did not participate Wednesday in a conference call among the plaintiffs in the lawsuit. Austin would not say what was discussed on the call.
"Until we get a better sense, an accurate sense, we have no comment,'' he said. "My objective since day one has been to keep the Big East together as we know it.''
A Connecticut judge is scheduled to hear preliminary arguments Thursday in the suit.
Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said the new expansion plan will not affect the lawsuit.
"Even if the deal is different, our determination is undiminished to hold accountable Miami and the ACC,'' Blumenthal said late Tuesday. "We will vigorously pursue our legal claims to protect the Big East and recover for the harm done. Our legal cause is alive and well.''
In Tallahassee, Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said Tuesday he was prepared to intervene on behalf of Miami in the suit. Crist said Miami has the right to choose the conference it wants to play in.
"This is a fundamental dispute among athletic conferences and universities,'' said Crist, who was asked by Miami to intercede. "Universities have the right to join any conference that invites them. The law does not compel Miami, or any institution, to rebuff a legitimate overture, as long as existing contractual obligations are satisfied.''
If the ACC expands to 11 members, it would be one short of the number necessary to hold a football conference championship game.
The ACC could seek a waiver of the requirement, but Steve Mallonee, the NCAA's Division I associate chief of staff, said Wednesday he was unaware of any such request.
Mallonee said no conference has asked for a waiver since the rule was added in 1987.
"The conference has to give reasons why the administrative rules committee should set aside the rule,'' Mallonee said. "Legislation is generally the better route. They have until July 15 to submit a legislative change.''
Tuesday's conference call was the fifth time in two weeks that the presidents met via phone as they tried to finalize possible expansion. Such an expansion could lead to a lucrative conference football title game and television contract.
Any school leaving the Big East will have to pay a $1 million penalty, and that amount doubles if the school leaves after June 30.
Wednesday, June 25
ACC: Both schools ready to accept
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ESPN.com news services
GREENSBORO, N.C. -- The Atlantic Coast Conference ended its six-week expansion saga Wednesday by inviting only Miami and Virginia Tech to leave the Big East and join its league.
"These two institutions represent and share the values for which the ACC has long been known,'' said Clemson University President James F. Barker, head of the league's Council of Presidents. "We feel they will be a great addition to our family.''
Miami and Virginia Tech are the Big East's two dominant football schools, and the move to go to 11 schools wasn't one of the many scenarios presented since the ACC's vote to expand on May 13.
Barker said the invitation to Virginia Tech, a dark horse candidate that was added at the insistence of Virginia, was "subject to final completion of the conference bylaw requirements'' -- a site visit that was under way Wednesday.
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The Hokies are expected to accept their invitation possibly as early as Wednesday night, ESPN.com has learned, while Miami officials were deliberating Wednesday afternoon in preparation for what is expected to be acceptance, barring some financial concerns the university has about joining an 11-team conference without Northeast schools Boston College and Syracuse or a guarantee of a football championship game.
Virginia Tech wants to be a member of the same conference as Virginia, much like a North Carolina State/North Carolina pairing. Tech's move to the ACC is considered a slam dunk for the university's non-revenue sports because at least half of the ACC's campuses are within driving distance from Blacksburg.
The ACC held a 2?-hour conference call Tuesday night among its presidents, but commissioner John Swofford then refused to say what transpired.
Sources told ESPN that the vote was 7-2 in favor of inviting the Hurricanes and the Hokies.
On Wednesday, Boston College issued a statement that said the ACC decided to invite Miami and Virginia Tech to join the conference. Boston College and Syracuse were two of the three Big East schools the ACC had visited, along with Miami, with a view toward expansion.
"This unexpected vote ended our discussions with the ACC,'' the BC statement said.
Also on Wednesday, Virginia Tech's governing board unanimously authorized president Charles Steger to negotiate a deal with the ACC.
Voting at a hastily called meeting in Roanoke, Va., the Board of Visitors gave Steger the authority to talk to ACC leaders about joining the league and to make the decision himself on whether to make the move.
Steger said afterward that the ACC still has not formally invited Virginia Tech to join, but that if an offer came, "we would be inclined to accept it.''
ACC spokesman Brian Morrison said a four- or five-member delegation from the league went to Blacksburg, Va., on Wednesday for a site visit, as required by ACC bylaws.
The ACC presidents voted to expand on May 13, and conference officials visited Miami, Boston College and Syracuse to assess their facilities. Virginia Tech came into the picture last week, as part of a compromise suggested by Virginia president John T. Casteen III.
Virginia Tech was one of five Big East football schools that filed a lawsuit June 6 to try to stop BC, Miami and Syracuse from leaving the conference. Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Rutgers and West Virginia were the other parties to the suit.
Connecticut president Philip Austin said Virginia Tech did not participate Wednesday in a conference call among the plaintiffs in the lawsuit. Austin would not say what was discussed on the call.
"Until we get a better sense, an accurate sense, we have no comment,'' he said. "My objective since day one has been to keep the Big East together as we know it.''
A Connecticut judge is scheduled to hear preliminary arguments Thursday in the suit.
Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said the new expansion plan will not affect the lawsuit.
"Even if the deal is different, our determination is undiminished to hold accountable Miami and the ACC,'' Blumenthal said late Tuesday. "We will vigorously pursue our legal claims to protect the Big East and recover for the harm done. Our legal cause is alive and well.''
In Tallahassee, Florida Attorney General Charlie Crist said Tuesday he was prepared to intervene on behalf of Miami in the suit. Crist said Miami has the right to choose the conference it wants to play in.
"This is a fundamental dispute among athletic conferences and universities,'' said Crist, who was asked by Miami to intercede. "Universities have the right to join any conference that invites them. The law does not compel Miami, or any institution, to rebuff a legitimate overture, as long as existing contractual obligations are satisfied.''
If the ACC expands to 11 members, it would be one short of the number necessary to hold a football conference championship game.
The ACC could seek a waiver of the requirement, but Steve Mallonee, the NCAA's Division I associate chief of staff, said Wednesday he was unaware of any such request.
Mallonee said no conference has asked for a waiver since the rule was added in 1987.
"The conference has to give reasons why the administrative rules committee should set aside the rule,'' Mallonee said. "Legislation is generally the better route. They have until July 15 to submit a legislative change.''
Tuesday's conference call was the fifth time in two weeks that the presidents met via phone as they tried to finalize possible expansion. Such an expansion could lead to a lucrative conference football title game and television contract.
Any school leaving the Big East will have to pay a $1 million penalty, and that amount doubles if the school leaves after June 30.
