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Just watched Bob Woodward on 60 minutes after a long day doing yard work (beautiful day here in the Queen City). Gotta repeat my earlier opinion. No doubt in my mind that George Bush and his cohorts is the worst administration this nation has ever seen.

For the sake of this country and all that is good about it, this man must, I repeat, must be voted out of office this November. He believes it his duty to clean the world of what he believes to be evil governments. If one of my right wing internet friends would kindly point out to me where in the Constitution this goal of his is a power provided to the executive branch.

Based upon Woodwards interview, this man is very scary. Reminds me of Nixon talking to the portraits of ex-presidents in the White House in his last days which Henry Kissenger witnessed. Out of control. Dangerous, does not like intellectuals, and is bound to do whatever he believes is right (I wonder if he and Bin Laden are actually kindred spirts).

Funny thing was that Woodward indicated that the Bush Administration has a deal with the Saudi's that as the election approach they are going to release millions of barrells of oil, effectively dropping the price in an effort to keep this horrible man in the White House. Interesting way of gerrymandering. Making a deal with the Saudi's to swing the election.

I flipped over to Dateline and saw where the head of the EPA's clean air division recently quit because the Bush Administration cut some program which was working to clean Tampa's air in concert with the power plant owners and was getting ready to work. The plant owner decided to do the right thing without adversely affecting the bottomline. Shareholders of power company, EPA, the residents of Tampa, and the power company were all winners.

Even the former head of the EPA under the Bush Administration, Christine Todd Whitman, warned this Administration that this was going to be a public relations disaster. It continues to astound me how any thinking person can support this man. He is not smart, he is basis for decision-making is based upon some pre-conceived concept he has about good and evil. The scarry thing to me is that I don't know is this plan he has for the world is based upon his relatively newly found religion or if its a flashback to his party days.

A very scarry man who I believe is unbalanced. Before you all go on with the same old liberal media rant and start posting links to Fox News and the National Review, tell me why we are not going after the perpetrators of 9-11 and so fixated on Iraq and drawing tenous links to that countrys former administration and terrorists. I mean why don't we just go after the terrorists, then find the links.

Sounds like Mr. Bush has had Iraq on the agenda for a long time versus doing the harder task and finding the real bad guys. I guess it doesnt matter as he and as his money coupled with deals he makes with foreign countries will fix the election and guarantee a continuance of his criminal conduct for another four years.

I gotta read Woodwards book despite the anticipated attack from the right. Where does this guy come off acting as if he was God.

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Rove Revels in Democrat Kerry's Lead


By Bob Woodward
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, April 18, 2004; Page A15


This article was adapted from "Plan of Attack," a book by Bob Woodward that is a behind-the-scenes account of how and why President Bush decided to go to war against Iraq. Simon & Schuster. ? 2004.

By early February 2004, White House political adviser Karl Rove could see that Iraq was turning into a potential negative. The violence on the ground continued. The U.S. military had more than 100,000 troops there and would require that many or more for some time. American soldiers were being killed at too high a rate, and the administration hadn't reached a political settlement. Turning the government over to the Iraqis looked shaky. The failure to find any weapons of mass destruction, and President Bush's and CIA Director George J. Tenet's public acknowledgments that the intelligence might have been wrong, were potentially big setbacks.

Previously, Rove had claimed he was salivating that the Democrats would nominate former Vermont governor Howard Dean in the 2004 presidential race. But Dean had imploded and Sen. John F. Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat, had won 12 of the first 14 Democratic primary contests and appeared to be headed for the nomination. Politics is a game of recovery, adaptability and optimism. So Rove had a new line.

"The good news for us is that Dean is not the nominee," Rove now argued to an associate in his second-floor West Wing office. Dean's unconditional opposition to the Iraq war could have been potent in a face-off with Bush. "One of Dean's strengths, though, was he could say, I'm not part of that crowd down there." But Kerry was very much a part of the Washington crowd, and he had voted in favor of the resolution for war. Rove got out his two-inch-thick, loose-leaf binder titled "Bring It On." It consisted of research into Kerry's 19-year record in the Senate. Most relevant were pages 9 to 20 of the section on Iraq.

The record was that Kerry had been all over the map. Sounding like a method actor who believes his lines, Rove offered some readings from the Kerry record.

"Iraq has developed a chemical weapons capability," Rove quoted Kerry saying in October 1990, according to the Congressional Record. Saddam Hussein has been "working toward" development of weapons of mass destruction or "had all those abilities," Kerry had said in January 1991. (Of course, this turned out to be true, as the U.N. weapons inspectors discovered after the 1991 Persian Gulf War.) In 1998, as a member of the intelligence committee, Kerry said that Hussein was "pursuing a program to build weapons of mass destruction," and in October 2002, he said, "I am prepared to hold Saddam Hussein accountable and destroy his weapons of mass destruction." And, "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real. . . . He has continued to build those weapons."

Rove's eyebrows were jumping up and down as he read. "My personal favorite," he said, quoting Kerry on March 19, 2003, the day the war started: "I think Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction are a threat, and that's why I voted to hold him accountable and to make certain that we disarm him."

"Oh, yeah!" Rove shouted. And that had been on National Public Radio! He had it all on tape. So here is a member of the Senate intelligence committee saying that Hussein had the stuff. And the Bush campaign argument would be as follows: "You're looking at the same intelligence the president is and arriving at the same conclusion, and if you accuse him of misleading the American people, what were you doing? Are you saying, I was duped?"

Of course, when the aftermath of the war turned sour, Rove noted, Kerry started backing away, arguing that he had voted not for war but only to give the president the power to threaten war. More starkly, Kerry had said on "Meet the Press" in August 2003 that the congressional resolution "we passed did not empower the president to do regime change; we empowered him only with respect to the relevant resolutions of the United Nations."

Well, Rove and the rest of the country knew that the resolution clearly gave the president approval to use the military in Iraq.

Rove was gleeful. "It's on tape!" he said, "and we've done testing on it, and you put out there, literally you take the footage of him saying some of this stuff and then have him in the exchange with Chris Matthews saying I'm antiwar and people say, 'What a hypocrite!' "

Kerry would have, and did have, answers. His main response was that Bush did not press hard enough or long enough with the United Nations, that he did not build a legitimate global coalition, that he did not plan for the aftermath, and was too eager to go to war when Hussein was isolated and weak.

But Rove believed they had Kerry pretty cold on voting to give the president a green light for war and then backing off when he didn't like the aftermath or saw a political opportunity.

Whatever the case, Rove sounded as if he believed they could inoculate the president on the Iraq war in a campaign against Kerry. It remained to be seen, but Rove was certainly going to try.
 

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First O'Neill book. Then Clark, now this one. There always seems to be three. But of course there all liears. Bush walks on water like god and makes no mistakes. Just ask him.
 

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IWilson:

I've never said Kerry is the be all to end all. In my view, he is the lesser (much) of two evils. I'm still mad at the Democratic Party as I believe they have been pansies throughout this whole war process. Too bad Dean was such a whack.

Before we use force, I think all peaceful options need to be explored. Remember, the UN Resolution demanded Iraq disarm. From what we know now, it looks like they did and we end up invading a soverign country, killing thousands, for what, to help Bush satisfy some need he has to Formula 409 the world (sorry yard work still on my mind).

Need proof. Bush was too quick to the trigger. I don't care if Kerry waffled back and forth on this issue. We don't need a quick-fingered cowboy killing both Americans and the innocent citizens of the rest of the world based his notion of what is right and wrong. Dangerous person.

By the way, you type fast.

Ed
 

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Voting "Dem" because you hate the "Rep", is like washing dog shit off your shoe with piss.........
 

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yyz said:
Voting "Dem" because you hate the "Rep", is like washing dog shit off your shoe with piss.........

YYZ,

Then what exactly do you suggest? If you don't like either candidate all that much, then you either don't vote or you vote for the one that you dislike less. Or in some cases, you vote against one that has a track record of ineptness as president. Or you vote for the one that's already in office and assume that the other one would be worse.
 

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In looking at "the browsers using this forum", I noticed that Stevie D, YYZ, Kosar, DJV, Bobby Blue Chip and myself are currently on line with Wilson. What do you guys say we all beat the s*** out of Wilson while his right wing nazi buddies aren't around.

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Eddie Haskell said:
In looking at "the browsers using this forum", I noticed that Stevie D, YYZ, Kosar, DJV, Bobby Blue Chip and myself are currently on line with Wilson. What do you guys say we all beat the s*** out of Wilson while his right wing nazi buddies aren't around.

Ed

No thanks. His buddies all have guns.

:firing: :firing: :firing: :firing: :com:
 

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Eddie Haskell said:
In looking at "the browsers using this forum", I noticed that Stevie D, YYZ, Kosar, DJV, Bobby Blue Chip and myself are currently on line with Wilson. What do you guys say we all beat the s*** out of Wilson while his right wing nazi buddies aren't around.

Ed

Eddie,

I would go along with that plan, but Wilson has already retired to his closet where he softly weeps each night because of this Iraqi threat.
 

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Ahhhaaaaaa... My delusional cupcake eddie.... You forgot you're med's again today didn't you. You know I actually have found myself looking forward to you're posts. You make me laugh... Sorry I called you a french queer the other day, I was drunk..

I watched Kerry on Meet the Press with Tim Russert this morning. He's a poor politician let alone presidential candidate. "So long the face"...

Regardless of your beliefs.. Please support our troops.. We can sit here and make all the uninformed comments on our leaders we want, but please try and realize that part of our success as a nation in these trying times will be our resolve.
 

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eddie, someday I hope we have the chance to meet and I'd like to see if you have the balls to call me a nazis to my face, its so easy to sit and type such demeaning remarks on your computer, when you don't have to back it up.

At least most of the other guys can disagree and even get into heated rhetoric, but you my man are about as small as the come and as cowardly also.

You are truly coward of the wordt kind, hiding behind a computer, hopefully someday you will have to take responsiblity for your mouth.

Until then live in good health.

And yes now you can go on about all of us nazis being thugs and resorting to phy violence etc etc. well your right when a scumbag like yourself continually demeans and calls people these dispickable sp names.
 

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All I know is I wish it was November. Bowl season would be right around the corner and this fuhking election would be over, maybe. These left/right arguments aren't even entertaining anymore. I'm done ranting now, carry on.
 

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Kosar,

I suggest people start to realize that it doesn't matter "who" you vote for, the machine will just keep rolling along.

Does it really matter which sticker is on the side of the "machine"? Made by Republicans, or Made by Democrats?

As long as we stand in the right line to feed the "machine" our 30%, and provide the breeze that waves the flag, all is well.

I am tired of people fighting over this on a daily basis. We pick the media spin that fits the camp we sit in. We argue with the rest of the world. The beat goes on, and on........

How many of us actually know what the fck is going on in this world? We all depend on the "news" to get our views, but depending on which orginization you choose to get fed from, you see the world with a different view. It is staggering how so many of you have such wonderful yet completly differing views of the same stories.

I don't pretend to know the answers, and I don't pretend to think I have more knowledge than anyone on these issues. I do think that I am smart enough to understand that "voting" is an illusion in the "land of the free", that too many still fight about. Threads like this are case and point.
 

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Captain Crunch said:
All I know is I wish it was November. Bowl season would be right around the corner and this fuhking election would be over, maybe. These left/right arguments aren't even entertaining anymore. I'm done ranting now, carry on.

That wasn't much of a rant, Captain Crunch.
 

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Ctown:

You are classic. Physical violence is a recurrent theme is all your threads. You are a true Bush minion. I can see why you like this guy. You are as stupid and violent as he is.

In my best Clint Eastwood voice, "Wanna meet me, punk?" Well, I'll be in Atlantic City in August at the Madjacks party. I'm 6'4", weigh 230, cut like your governor, and learned martial arts from Chanman. They call me the Edernator.

Still wanna meet me, punk. Oh yeah, I look like Russel Crowe and will be wearing a Bush/Cheney tee shirt so will know exactly who I am.

Fat and Sassy:

I only have one thing to say to you: Je t'aime. I am supporting our troops. Bring them home from this illegal, immoral war led by a madman. I can't think of any better support.

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:yup got big guns.. lots of um...

Eddie,

I take my apology back... You are a french queer.. I'm still drunk though...

Kosar,

Wilson may very well be in his closet, but I assure you he's not weeping over Iraq?....

lol... You tree huggin, whale saven, pinko commy pussies kill me.. It would take 6 of you to beat up one rebuplican.

Please let the games begin....
 

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yea eddie just keep the mouth running, like I said call me a nazis to my face. I just might be able to make it, we'll see how it goes.
 

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YYZ,

I gotcha, man. Correct me if i'm off-base, but you're basically saying that it doesn't matter who anybody votes for and discussions like this thread that go on daily x1 million all over the country are useless.

You're right, these threads here at MJ's won't change the world, but they're a lot more interesting to me than reading about the cdoin-flipper and the 'pro' (lol). Just as an example.
 

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I hope you make it, punk.

But if I were you, I wouldn't bring your wife. You see, she might just be headin to Cincinnati after the weekend with a real man instead of returning to southern california with a loser like you.

Ed
 

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Fat & Sassy said:
Kosar,

Wilson may very well be in his closet, but I assure you he's not weeping over Iraq?....

lol... You tree huggin, whale saven, pinko commy pussies kill me.. ....

Good post.
 
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