Bush Against Military Pay Raise

[marine]

ok, genius question here... when i go apply to ANY JOB are they going to hold my fvcking hand and say "marine, we are paying $13.50/hr. That is not enough for you to make a mortgage payment with. We can not hire you.

Here's another tip for all those junior soldiers with the inability to make ends meet.
Don't get married and pop out kids unless you can financially afford it. I know I know, rocket science.




Many counselors and support agencies that provide financial and budget counseling recognize that the current pay structure for junior enlisted personnel is inadequate to support a family with one or more children unless the non-military spouse earns more than what they as a couple would have to pay for child support. The problem is, however, that many branches of the military do not make this fact known prior to or after recruitment.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I'll add a tad--You can find similiar complaints from select people in any walk of life.

Now I can see a prob for the National Quard who had higher paying jonb and guard was 2ndary income--but other than that for regular troops you tell me is the prob with the pay or with the person.

Considering their pay is now more (maybe twice) as much since they get combat and foreign duty pay--and if like when I served its also tax free--

So they have got a definate boost in income-and saving of any personally individual expense stateside.

So income if income is higher and expenses less--might be a budgeting factor--you think?

Can't speak for Iraq theatre but in VN--there was little to spend money on--

Only money I can remember spending was for hootch maids--and extras at a px if the few times had chance to frequent one.

Would guess spent less than $100 the entire time there which included a 3 day trip to Saigon.

Maybe not a fair comparison as in Iraq they have plenty of opportunity to spend money--but would imagine all the staples--food-beer-cigs-postage- ect are still free.

 

[bryanz]

Spy then why in the world would a middle class person vote for these guys?:shrug:

They are all walmart republicans . The left is no better. We need a different kind of America first Leadership. I used to shop at walmart for low priced items for my business and home, mostly supplies. I bought this computer at walmart. I no longer do so. I shop at the stores that are owned by real hard working Americans that are small owned. I know the people that work at walmart stores have no choice, I don't blame them. I blame our Leadership. Were is the leadership ??????? There is no quick fix, one by one we need to conserve energy, we need to support or local neighbors and in our local small elections we need to plant the seeds to take our country back. It's going to take years, we can pass it on to the next generations, we may not get there but we should all live our lives trying. I have made some major changes in the last yr. We can look at OUR America and be overwhelmed, our we can chip away.

 

[djv]

I can understand in other walks of life those having hard time making it with out working two jobs. Marine makes good point. But our soldiers are not allowed to have a part time job. They are kept busy. So those with a wife can get some help by her working. But for many of our soldiers to get little more them minimum wage is nuts. I after seeing other things Bush was against Stick with my title. It shows he's talks a good deal about help for soldiers. But Bush bucks the help if he does not like it.

 

[Pujo21]

thw 100's and 100's of BILLION$ of CA$H that bush/cheney conned are not for our heroic soldiers.

It is for Cheneys' companies and the bush family of crooks.


What did you expect from a couple of draft dodging cowards.:SIB

Bush knew
Cheney flew
Turk 182

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

DJV What I meant by 2ndary job was related to wife and house payment. If soilder was NG he had another job probabably and NG was 2nd--and sure family budget included primary job.

The regular armed forces should have bugdets set by regular stateside pay--which would make Iraq duty like getting huge bonus--so would fault budget or excess spending--

however lets skip the speculation and look at the facts--

2007 pay tables
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/pay/2007Pay/blsalenl.htm

in addition there combat pay--Family Separation Allowance -jump pay andreenlistment bonuses ect
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/fy2005paycharts/a/paycharts.htm

As with most--they will never be monetarily paid enough--but can't see the lowest pay scale- over $30,000 plus perks-tax free--needing food stamps unless something is amiss--but f they do--couldn't think of anyone I'd rather see receive them.

P.S. consider starting pay of professions with college degree--

Management trainee: $35,811

Teaching: $29,733

Sales: $37,130

Registered nurse: $38,775

All of the salaries quoted are national averages. The NACE survey looked at starting pay in 70 disciplines at the bachelor's degree level

 

[marine]

I can understand in other walks of life those having hard time making it with out working two jobs. Marine makes good point. But our soldiers are not allowed to have a part time job.

I'll wave the bu11sh*t flag all over this statement.
Military personnel CAN and DO hold second jobs. Most of them are either cab drivers, pizza delivery guys, etc etc. jobs that are flexible and can pay some cash. Who do you think works at the burger kinds and pizza shops on base? military personnel.
Heck, I delivered pizzas as a night job for a little over a year while on active duty.

 

[djv]

I thought this was about those in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.
I can remember my 1st month pay. $106.00 seems like 47 years ago.

 

[auspice2]

Getting older and can't be certain of the ratings so don't hold me to the fire here, but I think it's called a E-4 (enlisted private) that makes about $1,300@ month. The extra half a percentage point GW's administration said is unnecessary is about $6 a month (or twenty cents a day) to these guys on their second and third tours. Just think about that: no to twenty cents a day for guys on their second and third tours. That's so far passed fuked that you'd have to take a bus ride just to get back to fuked.

 

[The Sponge]

I'll wave the bu11sh*t flag all over this statement.
Military personnel CAN and DO hold second jobs. Most of them are either cab drivers, pizza delivery guys, etc etc. jobs that are flexible and can pay some cash. Who do you think works at the burger kinds and pizza shops on base? military personnel.
Heck, I delivered pizzas as a night job for a little over a year while on active duty.

I bet you were tampering with the slices if i know you.:SIB

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Aupice--I have pay per ranks in link above.

You can do search on title of this thread and pull up numerous sites--and they all have two things in common

#1--Their intent is politically motivated to make their readers think the pay structure of military is in dire straights because of this admin

#2 they all omit the most important piece of info pertinant to one being able to make rational decision on validity of article--that being the actual pay scale.

Do you ever read these blogs and wonder why they omit the most pertinant facts--because it doesn't fit their intent

I had no idea what pay scale was now--but thought it very fishy that articles didn't list it to bolster their credibility but rather danced around issue--and did the search and found out why.

 

[auspice2]

I'm working with a computer that is in it's 'last throes' (BTW, we're in our third year since DC babbled on about the insurgents being in their last throes. Nothing like honesty from our leaders huh?). I couldn't open the 'salary link' which would have shown it was an E-1 with the $1,301@mo income not an E-4. Kept after it upon reading your post and finally succeeded. But I'm not entirely clear as to why you're defending GW's administration. Really, I can't. The fact remains, kids are serving their second and third tours making $1,301@mo. Denying an extra 20 cents a day to kids serving their second and third tour while this deserter (our president) wears $10,000 suits (ever wonder why the liberal press only talks about Edward's $400 haircuts but neglects GW's $10,000 suits ?) just somehow irks me.

 

[The Sponge]

I'm working with a computer that is in it's 'last throes' (BTW, we're in our third year since DC babbled on about the insurgents being in their last throes. Nothing like honesty from our leaders huh?). I couldn't open the 'salary link' which would have shown it was an E-1 with the $1,301@mo income not an E-4. Kept after it upon reading your post and finally succeeded. But I'm not entirely clear as to why you're defending GW's administration. Really, I can't. The fact remains, kids are serving their second and third tours making $1,301@mo. Denying an extra 20 cents a day to kids serving their second and third tour while this deserter (our president) wears $10,000 suits (ever wonder why the liberal press only talks about Edward's $400 haircuts but neglects GW's $10,000 suits ?) just somehow irks me.

Welcome to the world of DTB. Stick around you haven't seen anything yet. Bushes approval rating is at 28 percent and DTB has been there for every point drop and if it went to 1 it would be him still standing tall with our :mj02: comander the thief

 

[marine]

That 1301$ per month is in BASE pay.

now remember, everything else is taken care of by the military.
you get a room in the barracks, you get 3 meals a day at the chow hall, you get free medical insurance, 30 days vacation per year.. yadda yadda yadda.
that 1301$ (for a private, and you are a private for the first 6 months, then move up to E-2) anyway, that 1300 a month is frigging BEER MONEY. you have virtually ZERO "life expenses" the only thing you need to spend your money on is luxury/want items... like beer, movies, buying hookers.

if you get married and need to have a place of your own, you get a Basic Housing Allowance.. which is market dependent, but enough to get a decent place to live based on your rank. so you dont even have to pay your rent/mortgage out of your base pay... IF if if you live within your means.

I did almost ONE FULL YEAR surviving on $50 a month.
living within your means/budget is a pretty novel concept to some people, but it certainly can be done. the military is not frigging unique in that some people are on food stamps.
I can drive down the street in any major city, USA and see the ghetto with broken down shacks and kids running around naked and hungry and living on welfare and food stamps, but there is a slick an shiny car with "killer rims" in the driveway, and a chunky gold chain around everyone's neck.
Dont think the military is unique in people's inability to manage their money.

 

[The Sponge]

That 1301$ per month is in BASE pay.

now remember, everything else is taken care of by the military.
you get a room in the barracks, you get 3 meals a day at the chow hall, you get free medical insurance, 30 days vacation per year.. yadda yadda yadda.
that 1301$ (for a private, and you are a private for the first 6 months, then move up to E-2) anyway, that 1300 a month is frigging BEER MONEY. you have virtually ZERO "life expenses" the only thing you need to spend your money on is luxury/want items... like beer, movies, buying hookers.

if you get married and need to have a place of your own, you get a Basic Housing Allowance.. which is market dependent, but enough to get a decent place to live based on your rank. so you don't even have to pay your rent/mortgage out of your base pay... IF if if you live within your means.

I did almost ONE FULL YEAR surviving on $50 a month.
living within your means/budget is a pretty novel concept to some people, but it certainly can be done. the military is not frigging unique in that some people are on food stamps.
I can drive down the street in any major city, USA and see the ghetto with broken down shacks and kids running around naked and hungry and living on welfare and food stamps, but there is a slick an shiny car with "killer rims" in the driveway, and a chunky gold chain around everyone's neck.
Dont think the military is unique in people's inability to manage their money.

That sounds lovely Marine. All that huge cash to dodge bullets and a possible chopping off of the head. You might want to tell this guy you are a recruiter so he has a better understanding from where you are coming from. By the way what is it with the arm forces and the brainwashing they take in which they think Republicans have their backs? I mean if you guys can't see it with this administration im not sure you ever will.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Not defending Admin in this thread Auspice--just pointing out --deception in media--and both sides guilty--personally I'd like to take 25% of every politicians and CEO's income and give it to our boys and then some.

and Sponge while your pointing out approval ratings I think you have omitted some pertinant facts also--who's ratings are lower than the presidents--wouldn't be your congress would it--somehow you forgot to mention that

today--from real clear politics

President Bush Job Approval

RCP Average
Approve 32.8%
Disapprove 61.7%
Spread -28.9%
Poll Details

Congressional Job Approval

RCP Average
Approve 32.6%
Disapprove 58.0%
Spread -25.4%
Poll Details

 

[The Sponge]

Not defending Admin in this thread Auspice--just pointing out --deception in media--and both sides guilty--personally I'd like to take 25% of every politicians and CEO's income and give it to our boys and then some.

and Sponge while your pointing out approval ratings I think you have omitted some pertinant facts also--who's ratings are lower than the presidents--wouldn't be your congress would it--somehow you forgot to mention that

today--from real clear politics

President Bush Job Approval

RCP Average
Approve 32.8%
Disapprove 61.7%
Spread -28.9%
Poll Details

Congressional Job Approval

RCP Average
Approve 32.6%
Disapprove 58.0%
Spread -25.4%
Poll Details

I don't have a party im a registered independent and since that piece of shit Liberman barged into my party im looking for another one. I may go to the green party but im afraid Cheney may find out and think i have a lot of green so he might try to come get it. Im thinking of registering Republican so i can vote for my new boy Paul. Heard he has a few books he wants the chest pounding, bullshitting, cousin marrying, cross dresser to read.

 

[marine]

That sounds lovely Marine. All that huge cash to dodge bullets and a possible chopping off of the head. You might want to tell this guy you are a recruiter so he has a better understanding from where you are coming from. By the way what is it with the arm forces and the brainwashing they take in which they think Republicans have their backs? I mean if you guys can't see it with this administration im not sure you ever will.

As opposed to driving down Martin Luther King Jr Blvd in Any City, USA and being shot at while working for $10/hr at the local department store.

And I am no longer a recruiter, haven't been for 2-3 years.

 

[AR182]

That sounds lovely Marine. All that huge cash to dodge bullets and a possible chopping off of the head. You might want to tell this guy you are a recruiter so he has a better understanding from where you are coming from. By the way what is it with the arm forces and the brainwashing they take in which they think Republicans have their backs? I mean if you guys can't see it with this administration im not sure you ever will.

so what do you want ?

do you want the u.s. to get rid of the military altogether ?

 

[The Sponge]

so what do you want ?

do you want the u.s. to get rid of the military altogether ?

Just like to see them paid a decent wage. We can't get rid of the military, because our Gov't can't seem to stay out of others business.