Bush wars to cost 40 times higher than original estimates; $8,000 per person

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Bush wars to cost 40 times higher than original estimates; $8,000 per man, woman child in US ? Nick Juliano
Published: Wednesday October 24, 2007

New estimates show Iraq, Afghanistan will cost US $2.4 trillion; White House refuses to provide estimate

The United States is spending about $8,000 per man, woman and child in the country to pursue wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, according to new estimates that show the wars will cost about $2.4 trillion over the next decade.

More than one-fourth of the money spent in Iraq and Afghanistan -- $705 billion -- will go to paying interest on the wars' costs, which are being funded with borrowed dollars, according to an estimate to be released Wednesday by the Congressional Budget Office. Iraq accounts for about 80 percent of the costs with a $1.9 trillion tab, including $564 million in interest, a House budget committee staff director told USA Today, which reported the numbers Wednesday morning.

"The number is so big, it boggles the mind," Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) told the newspaper.

The CBO previously estimated the war's costs at $1.6 trillion, [b/which did not include interest payments[/b] or Bush's latest request for an extra $46 billion in war funding.

Since President Bush decided to invade Iraq in early 2003, the war's costs have skyrocketed as government number-crunchers continue to revise their estimates.

The latest estimate is more than 40 times higher than the Bush administration's initial estimates that the war would cost between $50 billion and $60 billion; meanwhile a proclivity for cutting taxes has marked Bush's tenure almost as much as his dedication to mounting international invasions.

The latest CBO report puts government estimates in line with those from outside economists, who have long warned against the war-on-the-cheap pipe dreams of Bush and his allies. In 2002, Yale economist William Nordhaus estimated the war would cost $1.6 trillion by 2012, and last year Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz said the costs could exceed $2 trillion.

Responding to the latest estimate, White House spokesman Sean Kevelighan refused to provide USA Today with an administration estimate of the war's cost, but he couldn't resist accusing Democrats of "playing politics" and "trying to artificially inflate" funding levels. [Why, exactly, do Dems have to inflate the numbers? The low estimates are seriously bad enough...]

The CBO assumed that 75,000 troops will remain in Iraq a decade from now in calculating the estimate. Although it is "very speculative," that estimate is far from unreasonable, Loren Thompson, a nonpartisan defense analyst at the Lexington Institute, told the newspaper.

Already, the wars' $604 billion price tag is higher than than the costs of conflicts in Korea and Vietnam, when adjusted for inflation, according to a report from the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.
 

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And now he wants more cash. They don't have any idea what the first waist number is and who took that money.
 

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Yep but we have our own dopes who are against health care for our very own people but when it comes to this ridiculous waste of money they are okay with it.:shrug: You won't hear a peep from anyone of these easily manipulated clowns.
 

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What the hell does health care have to do with the war? Clearly you don't understand how government works. If you want to argue against the war, that's fine (I'm with you), but it makes no sense to bring socialized health care into the argument.
 

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What the hell does health care have to do with the war? Clearly you don't understand how government works. If you want to argue against the war, that's fine (I'm with you), but it makes no sense to bring socialized health care into the argument.

As long as the government is throwing away money why don't they throw away some on something that will help the people of this country? The US government is printing money like newspapers, giving it to the federal reserve and borrowing it back, at face value, with interest, it's own money. What a stupid way of doing business. You could take care of healthcare if the government got rid of the fed and printed it's own interest free money.
 

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You might want to also remember--the $8,000 a person sounds good--but who is really footing the bill--

Someone explain to me how they get $8000 from the 40 million that pay no taxes?

If you want to know the truth--its the top earners and corporations footing the bill.
 

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As long as the government is throwing away money why don't they throw away some on something that will help the people of this country? The US government is printing money like newspapers, giving it to the federal reserve and borrowing it back, at face value, with interest, it's own money. What a stupid way of doing business. You could take care of healthcare if the government got rid of the fed and printed it's own interest free money.

Exactly spy. Do you want to post that again and explain it to Nick a little simpler. Nick has the dreaded "Socialize Medicine" con the rest of the dopes have.
 

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You might want to also remember--the $8,000 a person sounds good--but who is really footing the bill--

Someone explain to me how they get $8000 from the 40 million that pay no taxes?

If you want to know the truth--its the top earners and corporations footing the bill.
Great. That makes feel a whole lot better about this fiasco. :rolleyes:
 

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You might want to also remember--the $8,000 a person sounds good--but who is really footing the bill--

Someone explain to me how they get $8000 from the 40 million that pay no taxes?

If you want to know the truth--its the top earners and corporations footing the bill.

Dogs is right by God, we should all pay our fair share. It really doesn't matter if I work in a convenience store for $7.15 an hour, and you are an over paid janitor in the NBA making $6,000,000 a year. WE should all pay the $8,000 a year and be damn proud of it, and if you aren't willing to work for $7.15 an hour by crakky we'll get us a Mexican in here and he'll be damn happy to have this job.

EXXON: Hey GW, we made 4 billion in profits last quarter, but damn one of these days were gunna run out of oil, maybe u outta give us a tax break soze we can find us some new places to drill.

GW: Sounds good to me, by the way whats in it for me. Why don't you all pass around around a hat and take up a little collection money and I'll see what me and my old buddy Dickey and I can do.
 

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Never said those making less should foot the bill--what I'm saying is the 40 million that pay 0 taxes are for the most part the ones doing the whining-protesting ect. Ironic isn't it?

IF statement war is costing each of us $8,000 then considering chart below-
SSN-medicare-medicade-unemployment and welfare would be costing us about $20,000 each by comparing cost of it to defence. Now if you want to add in cost of the rest of items--
--#,s are a funny thing --you can munipulate them to say about whatever you want--as long as you as you only tell part of the story



Total receipts
Estimated receipts for fiscal year 2007 were $2.4 trillion.

$1.1 trillion - Individual income tax
$884.1 billion - Social Security and other payroll taxes
$260.6 billion - Corporate income tax
$74.6 billion - Excise taxes
$28.1 billion - Customs duties
$23.7 billion - Estate and gift taxes
$48.4 billion - Other
The IRS estimated that there were about $345 billion in uncollected taxes.[1]


Total spending
The President's budget for 2007 totals $2.8 trillion. Percentages in parentheses indicate percentage change compared to 2006. This budget request is broken down by the following expenditures:

$699.0 billion (+4.0%) - Defense
$586.1 billion (+7.0%) - Social Security
$394.5 billion (+12.4%) - Medicare
$367.0 billion (+2.0%) - Unemployment and welfare
$276.4 billion (+2.9%) - Medicaid and other health related
$243.7 billion (+13.4%) - Interest on debt
$89.9 billion (+1.3%) - Education and training
$76.9 billion (+8.1%) - Transportation
$72.6 billion (+5.8%) - Veterans' benefits
$43.5 billion (+9.2%) - Administration of justice
$33.1 billion (+5.7%) - Natural resources and environment
$32.5 billion (+15.4%) - Foreign affairs
$27.0 billion (+3.7%) - Agriculture
$26.8 billion (+28.7%) - Community and regional development
$25.0 billion (+4.0%) - Science and technology
$23.5 billion (+0.0%) - Energy
$20.1 billion (+11.4%) - General government

--by the way what part of Missouri are you from?
I grew up in small German community just outside Cape Girardeau called Perryville.
 
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--by the way what part of Missouri are you from?
I grew up in small German community just outside Cape Girardeau called Perryville.

Hi Dogs I live in a little town about 40 miles north and east of Columbia.
 

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What does the who pays for it have to do with the war. If you want to be for the war don't be bringing in how it is free to the poor of this country while the rich foot the bill. Once again we are reminded how ungrateful the poor of this country are. A free war and still they refuse to be thankful for it.:shrug:
 

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DTB,

That's exactly why the initial post ticked me off. I am in favor of many (if not most) of those social programs and they are always going to cost more than our military (mis)adventures. Plus, the military is one of the few branches of government that pays for itself and more IMO. We'd never be able to be as prosperous a country if we didn't use our military power to allow our businesses to run overseas.
 

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We spend close to 3 times more on the interest on debt than we do on education...That is unfuking real...I guess I am biased since I hear stuff from the wife all the time who is an assistant principal.

jc
 

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Wayne and pd1, I grew up in Springfield, and have driven around most areas of Missouri. "I prolly heard tella" your towns back in the day. One reason why I stayed in MN after coming here was it reminded me so much of Missouri in a lot of ways. I do love to go back. My daughter is in Jeff City now, son still is in the Spfd area, in Willard. A lot of friends back there.
 

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--by the way what part of Missouri are you from?
I grew up in small German community just outside Cape Girardeau called Perryville.

Hi Dogs I live in a little town about 40 miles north and east of Columbia.

Went to school in Columbia for a couple years. Your in the area of some greatest high school football teams to ever suit up!!!!!!!
 

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Wayne and pd1, I grew up in Springfield, and have driven around most areas of Missouri. "I prolly heard tella" your towns back in the day. One reason why I stayed in MN after coming here was it reminded me so much of Missouri in a lot of ways. I do love to go back. My daughter is in Jeff City now, son still is in the Spfd area, in Willard. A lot of friends back there.

Jeff City was the high School football team I was refering to.

How strong is this---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_City_High_School
 

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Jeff City was the high School football team I was refering to.

How strong is this---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_City_High_School

Jeff City has always had an outstanding football program. Pete Atkins is still a legend in these here parts. Probably one of the best highschool teams ever assembled anywhere never got to play for the state championship. It was either 1973 or 4 Columbia Hickman went 10 - 0 and beat every team they played by 50 points. (They did play a few patsies) But because Missouri had some screwed up points system they did not make the playoffs. They had something like 20 or 21 players get offered division 1 scholarships, and 5 of the players on that team went on to play in the NFL. At my highschool (Waynesville) if you had one player every 15 years it was great.
 
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