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Good question.I have heard research for both for and against that it runs in genes.I have a bro-in law whose brother is gay,but hes married to a women so I would say no,but how am I really to know??

I respsect that.. I truly believe it is a trait one is born with. I never chose between men or women. It was just natural to like women. The thought of a man kissing me makes me ill but I do not mind those who do. I have a few gay friends being a nurse and all. That is where the God issue comes in. I know what the Bible says but if you believe like I do then if there is a God then he created homosexuality. I don't know exactly about God's laws and I do not know much about the bible but some of what I read seems like a Santa Claus fairy tale that some crazy man made up. I do believe in a higher power though. Just can't tell you exactlly what that is.
 

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I respsect that.. I truly believe it is a trait one is born with. I never chose between men or women. It was just natural to like women. The thought of a man kissing me makes me ill but I do not mind those who do. I have a few gay friends being a nurse and all. That is where the God issue comes in. I know what the Bible says but if you believe like I do then if there is a God then he created homosexuality. I don't know exactly about God's laws and I do not know much about the bible but some of what I read seems like a Santa Claus fairy tale that some crazy man made up. I do believe in a higher power though. Just can't tell you exactlly what that is.

I respect your views.I look at the bible as history.Certain people try to timeline the bible not only the past but to the future.My bro in-law who were basically friends has the same views you have.I don't push religion on anyone.

I tell them my beliefs and if they wanna hear more fine if not that's there decision.As far as the bible being a wacko job fantasy believe me I heard that before...We are humans just like everyone else.I enjoy a cold beer every now and then...:mj06:
 

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Your right our laws and GODS laws are different.I choose to follow GODS laws.

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I respsect that.. I truly believe it is a trait one is born with. I never chose between men or women. It was just natural to like women. The thought of a man kissing me makes me ill but I do not mind those who do. I have a few gay friends being a nurse and all. That is where the God issue comes in. I know what the Bible says but if you believe like I do then if there is a God then he created homosexuality. I don't know exactly about God's laws and I do not know much about the bible but some of what I read seems like a Santa Claus fairy tale that some crazy man made up. I do believe in a higher power though. Just can't tell you exactlly what that is.

This is not even up for discussion. Its science. Of course science is not a favorite of bible worshipers.
 

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Good question.I have heard research for both for and against that it runs in genes.I have a bro-in law whose brother is gay,but hes married to a women so I would say no,but how am I really to know??
OK... hold the phone Chuck!

You didn't really think you weren't gonna have to explain this one, did ya? :142smilie

Your bro-in law's brother is a woman? :0corn
 

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Your right our laws and GODS laws are different.I choose to follow GODS laws.

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Just trying to get some perspective here. Rusty, I assume that you also agree with these words to live by?

DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.

DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.

MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.

LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.

MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.

DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

Also, curious about this: Did Jesus himself ever say anything specifically negative about homosexuality or lesbianism?
 

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Chad,
I could see having another vote on a ballot,but to have someone void a ballot question seems dictatorial .As far as the gay rights issue I'm one that believes it's morally wrong.

Its not a hate issue at all as were all human beings .We weren't born to share the same sex.If you believe in GOD and his teachings homosexuality is just wrong.I know you and others won't agree.

I also know others are against it for different reasons.That's my take.

So, then, apparently, you think that any law or action voted on by a majority of voters in any state (or I assume local area) has ultimate value and should stand without any further judgements by anyone other than the voters in the same area? Any law? Like, say, homosexuals being allowed to marry?
 

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Just trying to get some perspective here. Rusty, I assume that you also agree with these words to live by?

DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.

DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.

MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.

LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.

MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.

DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

Also, curious about this: Did Jesus himself ever say anything specifically negative about homosexuality or lesbianism?

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Maybe someone addressed this in this thread - I admit most of the time I have to speed check a lot of the posts from time to time - and if so, I apologize.

Is it the position of some here that no matter what the issue that is voted on by a majority is, it should be the law of the state? Without further interpretation, possible further rulings by a court or a judge, at any time?

For instance, if your state decided that white male landowners were not allowed to vote any more, and the vote passed by a majority (I know this concerns some these days, with the whole "illegal alien" thing), it should never be revisited again, by any judge or court?

Or, say, the state of Indiana decided that citizens should no longer be allowed to have a gun in their home, as a safety issue for children, by a majority vote, that it should be the law, and not open to constitutional review by a judiciary entity?

Or is it just the gay thing that gets to you guys? :shrug:

For the life of me, I can't see how two men or two women getting married has any bearing on any of your lives, unless one of them might have formerly been your wife or something. Which, is entirely possible, now that I think about it...


Could you possibly find any more ridiculous possible scenarios that the people of above mentioned states the first would sign a petition to put the props on the ballot, and then second would actually vote to approve the prop ?

I don't know what the ILLEGAL ALIEN situation is like in MINNY, but here in The Peoples Republic of Kahlifornia, it is a real problem, it's not a fantasy. It's not racial bigotry or hatred, it's a fact. From October to April, I am dodging Snowbirds for mostly Canada, but cold weather states as well, but fuck ! They are hunched over their steering wheels of their Oldsmobiles doing 30 in a 55. Always plan to add 20 to 30 mins to your drive in these months. The Canucks are here for 179 days so they don't need a Visa, but, ummm, it sure seems like they over stay their visit, uhh welcome.

I employ those of Mexican heritage, and I pay them well, but they are all legal and at least 2nd generation. I believe everyone deserves a bite of the apple, hell, they deserve their own apple tree.

Now,

to the ridiculous firearm analogy. :shrug: You have mistaken Indiana for the City of Chicago and he Crime Boss Mayor Daley or the Draconian laws in Ca. Thanks Arnold, you fucking sell out. Good luck taking awat peoples 2nd ammendment rights with a silly prop.

Come on Chad, you are smarter than that :toast:
 

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Just trying to get some perspective here. Rusty, I assume that you also agree with these words to live by?

DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.

DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.

MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.

LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.

MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.

DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

Also, curious about this: Did Jesus himself ever say anything specifically negative about homosexuality or lesbianism?

Well the old testament ones are easy as Jesus crucifixion abolished the law.You no longer live under the law.That's called Judaism. As far as the Mark gospel wait I will need to research that.:0008
 

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Of course my first analogy was ridiculous, that's part of my point. Some here are arguing in absolute terms about the vote of a majority of people in a state being the final and unarguable end point of an issue. My POINT, is that I think that idea is patently wrong, and our laws and constitution back up my point, in my opinion.

People use the Constitution as a tool for arguments whenever it fits their argument, and dismiss it when it doesn't. Or they say the Constitution is absolute and should never be looked at or strayed from in deciding issues, no matter what they are, when they come up, etc. We would never have had Constitutional amendments if that were the case, and I think you are personally very attached to at least one of those amendments, right?

As for the firearm issue being a ridiculous issue, there are plenty of people in this country that would not agree with you. But, I understand why you think it's ridiculous, considering how you look at our country and government. It's interesting to me, and I think it proves my point, when you respond to my post saying my illustrations are ridiculous, and then you point out two other laws that people and lawmakers have voted on or proposed that you think are ridiculous. Shouldn't these rulings and votes be up for debate and argument, and possibly be changed or overturned, if they do not follow the constitution (for instance), or be a minute difference in the vote at one period of time, such as say, um, 51% to 49%?
 

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Just trying to get some perspective here. Rusty, I assume that you also agree with these words to live by?

DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.

DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.

MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.

LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.

MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.

DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

Also, curious about this: Did Jesus himself ever say anything specifically negative about homosexuality or lesbianism?

Chad I think your confused on Mark 12:18-27.His disciples ask him about what you quoted and Jesus answers them this way ;Heres the scripture;


Mark 12:18-27 (New International Version)

Marriage at the Resurrection
18Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 19"Teacher," they said, "Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and have children for his brother. 20Now there were seven brothers. The first one married and died without leaving any children. 21The second one married the widow, but he also died, leaving no child. It was the same with the third. 22In fact, none of the seven left any children. Last of all, the woman died too. 23At the resurrection[a] whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?"

24Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 26Now about the dead rising?have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? 27He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"

Also I take it you have never heard of the the women who committed adultery .She was to be stoned to death but Jesus asked who is free of sin cast the first stone?Then everyone walks away.This is in reference to Deutoronomy22:22.

Mark 12:1-10 even that law was freed by his death.That's what people don't understand.That Jesus death freed us of sin and gave us our salvation which is a free gift ,not earned by works.Sorry you got me going there:0074
 

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Just trying to get some perspective here. Rusty, I assume that you also agree with these words to live by?

DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.

DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.

MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.

LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.

MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.

DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

Also, curious about this: Did Jesus himself ever say anything specifically negative about homosexuality or lesbianism?

Your right ,Jesus teachings never say anything about homosexuality or lesbianism.It never says anything about same sex marriage.My guess to why would be it was never considered by the people(same sex marriage).

Jesus does say this about homosexuality in these words using sexual immortality.Pauls letters to the churches get more detailed about homosexuality.

Heres the quote from Mark: Mark 7:20-23 (New International Version)

20He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' 21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "
 

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For the life of me, I can't see how two men or two women getting married has any bearing on any of your lives...
It has no bearing on their lives Chad. Conservative white men have a long history of imposing their will upon the people of this country.

Same as it always was...

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