cash for clunkers program???
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also, you have to own title for one year to qualify.
you talk in circles.
my dad's second truck is the only one I know that fit the criteria for the clunkers deal, its just me talking, I like to talk..:sadwave:
well, my parents are picking up their new car on Monday (assuming everything holds true)
Pretty much same deal as everyone is stating. $18,000 car, minus 9k in money (4500 from gov, 4500 in matching).
Pretty much same deal as everyone is stating. $18,000 car, minus 9k in money (4500 from gov, 4500 in matching).
I like it...Its an expensive son of a bitch, and you cant drive very far without going to a gas station:scared I sure as hell like it better than the cars Obama wants me to drive
kurby
at least I can get a family of four and a dog in that beast, but not in this piece of shit, LMAO Vinnie, thanks for the laugh
Yeah, I guess I'm not a fucking tax payer for the last 30 fucking years!!!!!
by all means get your rebate....i`d rather some hard working stiff get my tax dollars than some f-cking illegal using my social security number...
personally,i think it`s a ponzi scheme..trying to buy favor and keep their patron`s(uaw)palm`s greased......this is their plan along with the class warfare meme...these mofos didn`t think this through(like every other "seat of your pants" moonbat idea this administration is rushing through without debating) and some auto dealers(the ones the gov`t didn`t close down) could take it up the ying yang because in some cases the rules were changed after the fact or the bureaucracy is just so convoluted...not to mention the fact that they`re throwing away perfectly good vehicles that could help people with no benefit other than "going green"....
puh-lease...
all that aside,getting a few grand for trading in your f-150 for a prius is one thing...
getting stuck with some 3rd world,single payer healthcare plan that congress and "the one" are exempting themselves from is a whole `nother can of worms that will curse everyone on this board(or their extended family) in some way,shape or form before it`s all said and done...
Very good points, and most of them I have taken in to consideration. I just want to give this a chance before I completely condemn it.
Health care is something totally different, and I don't want us going down that road. Couls this plan be greasing the skids for that? Get us to accept a "gift", and then we will be ready for that? I don't know. By and large, I do not trust our government, but in all their fuck ups, you would think they HAVE to make a mistake that works for us once in a while! I'm hoping it might be CARS.
Cash for Clunkers problem Of course not. :mj07: Several weeks into the "cash for clunkers" program it turns out that delivering a couple of billion dollars worth of rebates to hundreds of thousands of car buyers can generate a few flat tires. The Department of Transportation's latest update on the Car Allowance Rebate System shows that the government has received applications for about 412,000 rebates totaling $1.7 billion. But so far, the feds have approved only a fraction of those, leaving dealers furious.
The Transportation Department won't say exactly what the rejection rate is, but in an Automotive News survey, some dealers said up to 80 percent of their rebate applications had been rejected. :sadwave: Some dealers are waiting for payments totaling as much as $200,000, the survey found. About 13 percent of dealers said they've suspended clunker deals because of red tape and concern about getting paid by the government.
Prediction: They'll be back. Buyers, meanwhile, should make sure the dealer isn't putting the burden of obtaining a rebate on them. And those still looking for a clunker deal should be able to find plenty of dealers continuing to play
It's obvious that the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, the agency administering CARS, has been overwhelmed by the popularity of a program that has surprised just about everybody, including the masterminds in Congress who had to triple the funding a week after clunkers kicked in. NHTSA initially detailed 225 people to processing those 400,000 claims; it's in the process of assigning 1,000 more to the program to help speed up the rebates.
To put this in context, there are only about 635 full-time workers at the entire agency, and their principal job is to set safety standards, perform crash tests, conduct research, and regulate the automakers. So NHTSA is swelling to nearly twice its regular size?by borrowing workers from other agencies?to manage a program that will come and go within six weeks. I guess they'll get back to worrying about safety after Labor Day, when CARS expires.
NHTSA also has to make sure nobody's claiming that a rusty tricycle constitutes a clunker worth $4,500 toward a new ride. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that anybody would ever attempt to take advantage of wanton congressional spending and defraud the U.S. government. But do we trust car dealers and their customers enough to go by the honor system? Many of the rejected clunker claims are being sent back to dealers because of paperwork snafus like unsigned sales agreements, mismatched serial numbers, and forms that fail to include the make, model, and year of the clunker being traded in. Hmmmm. Those are all harmless mistakes, no doubt. But if people at NHTSA weren't eyeballing every application, chances are that there would be a newspaper headline somewhere declaring "Man Gets Clunker Rebate for Matchbox Car." It still might happen.
Dealer groups have been meeting with NHTSA to straighten out the foul-ups and make sure their own members are following procedures and playing by the rules. Odds are this will all get sorted out soon, the pace of rebates will pick up, and dissident dealers will quiet down and rejoin the program.
Meanwhile, delayed rebates have caused tension between some dealers and their customers. Just like money to ruin a beautiful relationship.
The government has gotten complaints about a few dealers who seem to be putting their customers on the hook in case there's a problem with the CARS rebate coming through. Now, in a negotiated deal it's always a good idea to put the financial risk on the other guy. Except that in the CARS program, dealers aren't allowed to do that. Banned practices include forcing the buyer to leave a deposit for the amount of the clunker rebate, in case the government doesn't cough it up, and forcing the buyer to sign an agreement to pay the dealer the rebate amount if the government rejects the application. In general, the burden is on the dealer, not the car buyer, to dicker with the feds and make sure the paperwork is correct (unless you lie on the application, which could invalidate the whole deal). Consumers can see the complete list of rules at Cars.gov (look under the FAQ), and buyers can report suspicious dealer activity to the government by calling 866-CAR-7891.
The popularity of the program has also caught manufacturers by surprise, one reason they've run short of some vehicles that clunker traders want to buy. Some dealers have sold out of models like the Jeep Patriot and the Ford Focus, for instance. Buyers were left wondering whether they can still get a clunker deal when the next shipment arrives or should pick another vehicle. So the government has tweaked the rules to include new cars that aren't on dealer lots but are in the production pipeline. As long as the dealer can identify an actual vehicle and its vehicle identification number, or VIN, the clunker deal can go through, even if the car is delivered after the program expires. Buyers need to make sure the VIN of the car they ultimately take home is the same as the VIN on the original sales agreement and watch out for any other kind of bait-and-switch.
If the nearest dealer has bailed out of the program, look for another. Despite the problems, there are plenty of reasons for dealers to stay involved with CARS until it expires. With the government subsidizing the cost of so many new cars, the program is obviously boosting sales. But it's also drawing other shoppers who end up buying a car even though they don't qualify for a clunker deal, and it's generating business in dealers' service departments as well. And with many buyers who qualified for a clunker deal already enjoying their new ride, the frenzy is starting to subside. That should give the government time to catch up and placate the dealers. A little haggling is just part of the process
The Transportation Department won't say exactly what the rejection rate is, but in an Automotive News survey, some dealers said up to 80 percent of their rebate applications had been rejected. :sadwave: Some dealers are waiting for payments totaling as much as $200,000, the survey found. About 13 percent of dealers said they've suspended clunker deals because of red tape and concern about getting paid by the government.
Prediction: They'll be back. Buyers, meanwhile, should make sure the dealer isn't putting the burden of obtaining a rebate on them. And those still looking for a clunker deal should be able to find plenty of dealers continuing to play
It's obvious that the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, the agency administering CARS, has been overwhelmed by the popularity of a program that has surprised just about everybody, including the masterminds in Congress who had to triple the funding a week after clunkers kicked in. NHTSA initially detailed 225 people to processing those 400,000 claims; it's in the process of assigning 1,000 more to the program to help speed up the rebates.
To put this in context, there are only about 635 full-time workers at the entire agency, and their principal job is to set safety standards, perform crash tests, conduct research, and regulate the automakers. So NHTSA is swelling to nearly twice its regular size?by borrowing workers from other agencies?to manage a program that will come and go within six weeks. I guess they'll get back to worrying about safety after Labor Day, when CARS expires.
NHTSA also has to make sure nobody's claiming that a rusty tricycle constitutes a clunker worth $4,500 toward a new ride. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that anybody would ever attempt to take advantage of wanton congressional spending and defraud the U.S. government. But do we trust car dealers and their customers enough to go by the honor system? Many of the rejected clunker claims are being sent back to dealers because of paperwork snafus like unsigned sales agreements, mismatched serial numbers, and forms that fail to include the make, model, and year of the clunker being traded in. Hmmmm. Those are all harmless mistakes, no doubt. But if people at NHTSA weren't eyeballing every application, chances are that there would be a newspaper headline somewhere declaring "Man Gets Clunker Rebate for Matchbox Car." It still might happen.
Dealer groups have been meeting with NHTSA to straighten out the foul-ups and make sure their own members are following procedures and playing by the rules. Odds are this will all get sorted out soon, the pace of rebates will pick up, and dissident dealers will quiet down and rejoin the program.
Meanwhile, delayed rebates have caused tension between some dealers and their customers. Just like money to ruin a beautiful relationship.
The government has gotten complaints about a few dealers who seem to be putting their customers on the hook in case there's a problem with the CARS rebate coming through. Now, in a negotiated deal it's always a good idea to put the financial risk on the other guy. Except that in the CARS program, dealers aren't allowed to do that. Banned practices include forcing the buyer to leave a deposit for the amount of the clunker rebate, in case the government doesn't cough it up, and forcing the buyer to sign an agreement to pay the dealer the rebate amount if the government rejects the application. In general, the burden is on the dealer, not the car buyer, to dicker with the feds and make sure the paperwork is correct (unless you lie on the application, which could invalidate the whole deal). Consumers can see the complete list of rules at Cars.gov (look under the FAQ), and buyers can report suspicious dealer activity to the government by calling 866-CAR-7891.
The popularity of the program has also caught manufacturers by surprise, one reason they've run short of some vehicles that clunker traders want to buy. Some dealers have sold out of models like the Jeep Patriot and the Ford Focus, for instance. Buyers were left wondering whether they can still get a clunker deal when the next shipment arrives or should pick another vehicle. So the government has tweaked the rules to include new cars that aren't on dealer lots but are in the production pipeline. As long as the dealer can identify an actual vehicle and its vehicle identification number, or VIN, the clunker deal can go through, even if the car is delivered after the program expires. Buyers need to make sure the VIN of the car they ultimately take home is the same as the VIN on the original sales agreement and watch out for any other kind of bait-and-switch.
If the nearest dealer has bailed out of the program, look for another. Despite the problems, there are plenty of reasons for dealers to stay involved with CARS until it expires. With the government subsidizing the cost of so many new cars, the program is obviously boosting sales. But it's also drawing other shoppers who end up buying a car even though they don't qualify for a clunker deal, and it's generating business in dealers' service departments as well. And with many buyers who qualified for a clunker deal already enjoying their new ride, the frenzy is starting to subside. That should give the government time to catch up and placate the dealers. A little haggling is just part of the process
Quite revealing stats here--coming in last place-by a landslide- GM and Chrysler
<LI _extended="true">Last clunkers boost for auto sales. August U.S. motor vehicle sales reached their highest pace in twelve months thanks to a large boost from the cash-for-clunkers program. Firms sold 1.3M cars and light trucks in August, pushing the annualized selling pace to 14.09M vehicles vs. July's 11.24M. However, analysts are expecting a September slowdown following the end of the clunkers program. Here's the breakdown:
-Ford (F): +17% to 176,323 vs. consensus of +39%, excluding 5,826 units at Volvo, a second straight increase. Model standouts: Fusion sales: +131.6%; Focus +55.9%; Flex +106.5%.
-Chrysler: -15% to 93,222 units. Chrysler brand vehicles -23% to 18,619; Jeep -6% to 22,041; Dodge down to 52,562 units.
-General Motors: -20.2% to 246,479 vehicles. Pontiac +23.3% to 29,921 units; Chevrolet -9.2% to 168.130. Cadillac -55% to 6,931. Buick -51.7% to 8,612.
-Honda (HMC): +14.2% to 161,439 vehicles, vs. consensus of +3.2%, its second-best month ever. Honda Fit +194.1% to 13,593; Civic +49.6% to 43,294; CR-V +58.3% to 30,284.
-Toyota (TM): +10.5% to 225,088 vehicles, vs. consensus of +8.9%. Toyota brand +15.2% to 202,196; Lexus -18.8% to 22,892. Toyota passenger cars +32.4% to record 142,529 units. Toyota light trucks -12.1%. Hybrids +28.6%.
-Nissan (NSANY): -2.9% to 105,312 vehicles. Nissan brand vehicles +0.2% to 97,580; Infiniti -30.2% to 7,732.
-Daimler (DAI): -10.5% to 18,734 units. Mercedes-Benz -7.5% to 17,112; Smart car sales -33% to 1,622.
-Volkswagen (VLKAY.PK): +11.4% to 24,823, its best sales month since December 2005. Jetta +14.8%.
-Kia: +60.4% to 40,198 vehicles. Sportage more than doubles, to 7,558 units.
-Hyundai: +47% to 60,467 vehicles, its monthly record, and its eighth straight month of Y/Y gains. Elantra +116% to 21,673 units.
-Porsche: +9% to 1,526 units. Porsche 911 +92% to 673; Cayenne -34% to 509.
<LI _extended="true">Last clunkers boost for auto sales. August U.S. motor vehicle sales reached their highest pace in twelve months thanks to a large boost from the cash-for-clunkers program. Firms sold 1.3M cars and light trucks in August, pushing the annualized selling pace to 14.09M vehicles vs. July's 11.24M. However, analysts are expecting a September slowdown following the end of the clunkers program. Here's the breakdown:
-Ford (F): +17% to 176,323 vs. consensus of +39%, excluding 5,826 units at Volvo, a second straight increase. Model standouts: Fusion sales: +131.6%; Focus +55.9%; Flex +106.5%.
-Chrysler: -15% to 93,222 units. Chrysler brand vehicles -23% to 18,619; Jeep -6% to 22,041; Dodge down to 52,562 units.
-General Motors: -20.2% to 246,479 vehicles. Pontiac +23.3% to 29,921 units; Chevrolet -9.2% to 168.130. Cadillac -55% to 6,931. Buick -51.7% to 8,612.
-Honda (HMC): +14.2% to 161,439 vehicles, vs. consensus of +3.2%, its second-best month ever. Honda Fit +194.1% to 13,593; Civic +49.6% to 43,294; CR-V +58.3% to 30,284.
-Toyota (TM): +10.5% to 225,088 vehicles, vs. consensus of +8.9%. Toyota brand +15.2% to 202,196; Lexus -18.8% to 22,892. Toyota passenger cars +32.4% to record 142,529 units. Toyota light trucks -12.1%. Hybrids +28.6%.
-Nissan (NSANY): -2.9% to 105,312 vehicles. Nissan brand vehicles +0.2% to 97,580; Infiniti -30.2% to 7,732.
-Daimler (DAI): -10.5% to 18,734 units. Mercedes-Benz -7.5% to 17,112; Smart car sales -33% to 1,622.
-Volkswagen (VLKAY.PK): +11.4% to 24,823, its best sales month since December 2005. Jetta +14.8%.
-Kia: +60.4% to 40,198 vehicles. Sportage more than doubles, to 7,558 units.
-Hyundai: +47% to 60,467 vehicles, its monthly record, and its eighth straight month of Y/Y gains. Elantra +116% to 21,673 units.
-Porsche: +9% to 1,526 units. Porsche 911 +92% to 673; Cayenne -34% to 509.
I just bought a Ford, after owning a GM product for 18 years I switched for only one reason, GM took bailout money from the government, no other reason, glad I made the switch because my new Expedition is the best vehicle I have ever owned, next time I am buying a Navigator if Obama does not outlaw them in the next 6 or 7 years when its time for a new one. It makes me happy to know that people are not buying from government motors, and they lost a customer for life in me.
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