Cheney on Meet the Press

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By Warren P. Strobel and John Walcott
Knight Ridder

Washington - A highly classified British memo, leaked in the midst of Britain's just-concluded election campaign, indicates that President Bush decided to overthrow Iraqi President Saddam Hussein by summer 2002 and was determined to ensure that US intelligence data supported his policy.

The document, which summarizes a July 23, 2002, meeting of British Prime Minister Tony Blair with his top security advisers, reports on a visit to Washington by the head of Britain's MI-6 intelligence service.

The visit took place while the Bush administration was still declaring to the American public that no decision had been made to go to war.

"There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable," the MI-6 chief said at the meeting, according to the memo. "Bush wanted to remove Saddam through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD," weapons of mass destruction.

The memo said "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq since the US invasion in March 2003.

The White House has repeatedly denied accusations made by several top foreign officials that it manipulated intelligence estimates to justify an invasion of Iraq.

It has instead pointed to the conclusions of two studies, one by the Senate Intelligence Committee and one by a presidentially appointed panel, that cite serious failures by the CIA and other agencies in judging Saddam's weapons programs.

The principal U.S. intelligence analysis, called a National Intelligence Estimate, wasn't completed until October 2002, well after the United States and United Kingdom had apparently decided military force should be used to overthrow Saddam's regime.

The newly disclosed memo, which was first reported by the Sunday Times of London, hasn't been disavowed by the British government. A spokesman for the British Embassy in Washington referred queries to another official, who didn't return calls for comment on Thursday.

A former senior US official called it "an absolutely accurate description of what transpired" during the senior British intelligence officer's visit to Washington. He spoke on condition of anonymity.

A White House official said the administration wouldn't comment on leaked British documents.

In July 2002, and well afterward, top Bush administration foreign policy advisers were insisting that "there are no plans to attack Iraq on the president's desk."

But the memo quotes British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, a close colleague of then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, as saying that "Bush had made up his mind to take military action."

Straw is quoted as having his doubts about the Iraqi threat.

"But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran," the memo reported he said.

Straw reportedly proposed that Saddam be given an ultimatum to readmit United Nations weapons inspectors, which could help justify the eventual use of force.

Powell in August 2002 persuaded Bush to make the case against Saddam at the United Nations and to push for renewed weapons inspections.

But there were deep divisions within the White House over that course of action. The British document says that the National Security Council, then led by Condoleezza Rice, "had no patience with the UN route."

Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., the leading Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, is circulating a letter among fellow Democrats asking Bush for an explanation of the document's charges, an aide said.
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So Dick said he would do it all over again same way? WOW? Boy he has no learning capabilities if that is what he said. How SAD.
 

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Happy Hippo Was by no means referring to you as dim wit--but the prosecuter there does leave a little to be desired--but I can understand how she was elected :)
 

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Freeze, you apparently have taken on the role of Manson here in the forum. Good luck holding up your end of the bargain there.

Let me ask you this, although you rarely seem to respond to my questions. It's a simple one. You reference those quotes, and a majority of them were made around the time of mid-term elections, and were made after a review of evidence provided both to legislators and the general public by the Bush administration and ranking members of the intelligence committee - who was also going off of information provided by the Bush administration. It is now common knowledge (as has been continually noted here and elsewhere) that the administration hid evidence, and presented false documentation supporting Saddam's attempts and abilities to achieve WMD's and his plans to make use of them against us. I still have yet to see any such plans by Saddam to use them on American targets here, but I digress. So, considering it was politically incorrect for anyone to go against the plan to go to war - as anyone who has been in this forum since then can tell you - to come out against it. It was labeled unpatriotic, weak on terror, and just plain weak, period. You all know this. So, democrats were painted into a corner, forced to either go along with this plan, or probably be voted out of office. Why? Because the administration and the prominent talking heads that supported it layed out that same case to the general voting public. We CERTAINLY did not know the truth, and many of the differing opinions about going to war, and Saddam's capabilities.

You can certainly blame the political system for legislators playing politics with votes and public comments. But many legislators had no real choice at that time.

The question (finally). Who is more to blame for the current situation we are in, the democrats you reference, or the Bush administration? Are they to blame for acting the way they did, or did Bush and Co. set this up the way they did to affect an orchestrated response?

And as for many of those quotes - no mention was made of taking the dramatic steps to pull troops from Afghanistan in the direct war on terror (the guy who killed our people) and throw them at Saddam and Iraq. Many mentions of being strong against him, stopping him from doing bad things, taking steps to contain and prevent him - which we were already doing and was working. There is talk of air strikes, and that kind of thing.

It continues to infuriate me that when democrats are repeating talking points put out by the Bush administration, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and others, that they are held up as examples. They are guilty of what, exactly? Campaigning? Yes. Believing - or at least going along publicly - with the administrations altered presentation of a threat? Yes. For having access to the real info to make a good choice? Certainly not.
 

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DOGS THAT BARK;1526881? said:
---However I've have seen some extreme examples of reference to a lie here--

No doubt, I agree. Many extreme examples and comments flying around here these days.

I try not to get too hung up on the lying part...I assume I'm being lied to from many people...but I do try to focus on the motivation. We have to at least try to hold these people to some kind of standard...both sides of the aisle.
 

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So Dick said he would do it all over again same way? WOW? Boy he has no learning capabilities if that is what he said. How SAD.

djv lets say the Gov't is a giant company and Cheney ran this war(the company) like these guys did. Now he says something like this. Do you keep this guy (Cheney)still working for your company? Would the shareholders keep him?
 

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It continues to infuriate me that when democrats are repeating talking points put out by the Bush administration, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and others, that they are held up as examples. They are guilty of what, exactly? Campaigning? Yes. Believing - or at least going along publicly - with the administrations altered presentation of a threat? Yes. For having access to the real info to make a good choice? Certainly not.

did they similarly believe a Clinton orchestrated effort to "distort the truth"

seems like both administrations said the same things

not sure why you lefties continue to harp on Bush for saying everything that the Clintonistas and democrats thereafter said

its frankly, nauseating to say the least
 

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did they similarly believe a Clinton orchestrated effort to "distort the truth"

seems like both administrations said the same things

not sure why you lefties continue to harp on Bush for saying everything that the Clintonistas and democrats thereafter said

its frankly, nauseating to say the least

Clinton may have distorted the truth, but Bush IS the one who got us into this war, with no end in sight, correct?

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, buy words (or blowjobs in the oval office) will never hurt me."

"Actions speak louder than words."

Cheers
 

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did they similarly believe a Clinton orchestrated effort to "distort the truth"

seems like both administrations said the same things

not sure why you lefties continue to harp on Bush for saying everything that the Clintonistas and democrats thereafter said

its frankly, nauseating to say the least

This is laughable. The two administrations did NOT say the same thing. Clinton was concerned about Saddam and worked towards sanctions against him, didn't he? Which were of course working, as most will agree. Did he manipulate evidence under the pretense of asking congress and the senate to authorize a war on Iraq? No. Did Bush? Yes. Big frigging difference, my man. Did Clinton say all the things that the Bush administration did in the leadup to the Iraq war? In no way, shape nor form did he. Big Frigging difference.

Not sure what your nausea is related to other than maybe believing what you say, which is patently false.

Perhaps you should find a doctor to help you with that.
 

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GW-Cheney-Rove defined here as liars but no charges ever filed--

--and :nono: was "convicted" of pergury-obstruction of justice--and disbarred by his peers--

---and he may have distorted the truth?

:shrug:
 

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GW-Cheney-Rove defined here as liars but no charges ever filed--

--and :nono: was "convicted" of pergury-obstruction of justice--and disbarred by his peers--

---and he may have distorted the truth?

:shrug:

What was it exactly that Clinton lied about? I just want to hear how important an event it was. :142smilie :142smilie When Clinton lied the only thing to get maimed was a blue dress.
 

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When you have it all, why change ? Do you think this guy is stupid ? He may be crazy, crazy like a fox. I can't believe people are dumbfounded by his reluctance to change. If it's working for (you) why mess around ? STAY THE COURSE !!!! It's not costing him anything.
 

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Don't believe :nono: found pergury and disbarrment as funny as you--Stevie

don't think Whitewater folks thought his swindling too amuzing either.

Howabout this for another obvious lie when asked why he pardon 10 most wanted felon--his only reply to date is there was no "There was no quid pro quo" and refuses to comment any more on subject--however not only did he receive monetary favors from Rich but so did Hilliary as well as her brother "who was his defence attorney"
If that isn't a blatant lie someone needs to redefine quid pro quo or maybe it's the definition of "was" that is in question ;)

--or what about in just ONE of his many depositions-
"FROM THE WASHINGTON TIMES: In the portions of President Clinton's Jan. 17 deposition that have been made public in the Paula Jones case, his memory failed him 267 times."

Now either we have a pres with chronic senile dementia that would qualify for medicare wing of Alzeimers ward --or we have the biggest serial liar to ever occupy the white house.

One thing is positve he is only sitting pres to ever be "convicted" of pergury--a deserved legacy I really doubt he finds to :mj07:
 
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'Perjury' is an ominous word and of course the Marc Rich thing was quid pro quo.

I'd like it if you'd give some thought to how things weigh up. A money launderer who was deep into Reagans Iran/Contra scandal was let loose. Clinton perjured himself about receiving a blow job.

Now let's talk about the Iraqi occupation and let's talk about which politician should be truly ashamed.
 

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i think cheney is the most despicable. by the way, who is his replacement should the unthinkable happen. such as his heart becomes totally inoperative ?
 

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'Perjury' is an ominous word and of course the Marc Rich thing was quid pro quo.

I'd like it if you'd give some thought to how things weigh up. A money launderer who was deep into Reagans Iran/Contra scandal was let loose. Clinton perjured himself about receiving a blow job.

Now let's talk about the Iraqi occupation and let's talk about which politician should be truly ashamed.

I will go on record as saying that you have Wayne in a box on this one. I look forward to how this plays out, if it is answered. I can't seem to get one from certain members of the forum these days...but that is kind of expected.
 

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In what box?
Its the same old story--someone trying alter definition of pergury because of circumstance.
If you can find me one example of any charges for a blow job/cigar stuffing ect being mentioned in his/impeachment/ conviction"s"/disbarment I might change my opinion. His prob is as I said before he can do his:nono: routine on tv but under oath is another story.

--and what exactly does Iran Contra and Reagan have to do with Clinton pardoning Rich for his own personal gain.

You have military situation vs personal greed--I fail to see any comparison unless you are inferring Reagan was receiving payoffs personally for favors from Rich?

---and on Iraq--school still out on that situation
--however doing nothing has definately been proven a loser.
 

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Have no idea Stevie--if so let the chips fall where they may--if you'll remember my take on Libby's perjury charge was same as Bill's. Very stupid to lie(and appears now even more so) and should pay price. Perjury is perjury.
 
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