So you have a job in a management type position and have NO BLAME? PRETTY COOL :toast:
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So you have a job in a management type position and have NO BLAME? PRETTY COOL :toast:
no interest in teaching, I don't have the patience, plus I wanted to make big bucks, which is the reason I went to college and graduated plus the chicks
What the fuck are you talking about? No I am not to blame for your kid being a dumbass nor do the teachers. That rests solely with you and your spouse.
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FDC
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Let's face the fact that far to many "Parents" are clueless set aside blatantly negligent.
A teacher to be cannot be so short sighted to not understand this in their decision of a teaching career.. :0008
A teacher to be cannot be so short sighted to not understand this in their decision of a teaching career.. :0008
I was just making sure what you said. I never realized teaching profession had no responsibility for success or failure of it's finished product. Sounds like a pretty neat job in a capitalistic society, or any place for that matter.
That is what I am trying to say, teachers know what they are getting into when they decide to teach as a profession.
?The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originality?
Amazing how many cliches in this thread, instead of arguing the facts of the case. Typical statist responses of how valuable "teachers" and "education" are without examining the structure and merits of the whole system and the facts at hand.
That is all. Carry on with this quite amusing thread.
Amazing how many cliches in this thread, instead of arguing the facts of the case. Typical statist responses of how valuable "teachers" and "education" are without examining the structure and merits of the whole system and the facts at hand.
That is all. Carry on with this quite amusing thread.
Jord: Whose quote is that? Just to know how much weight it carries. :0008 Personally I think teaching, like coaching, should be "a calling" like becoming a preacher, and if you aren't cut out for it after a couple years, go find something else to do. It's a tough game in most cases no matter what you get paid.
HL Mencken... and it's true. Google the Prussian school system from which we developed our system based on.
It is for sure a tough job. It's just comical to me when people ignore the important arguments and make blanket statements about how much they "deserve" and how important they are. Some, yes. The crappy ones, no. Just like anything.
Further, the bigger problem is the curriculum and the structure which they are forced to abide by is a complete disaster and it simply does not do what it claims to. It doesn't teach critical thinking or HOW to think. It teaches us what to think and is basically a propaganda playground for the State to raise us to become good little citizens who will obey whatever we are told.
That is my well informed opinion, at least.
Read John Taylor Gatto's (former NY state teacher of the year)'Dumbing us Down' or 'weapons of mass instruction' for more.
It is for sure a tough job. It's just comical to me when people ignore the important arguments and make blanket statements about how much they "deserve" and how important they are. Some, yes. The crappy ones, no. Just like anything.
Further, the bigger problem is the curriculum and the structure which they are forced to abide by is a complete disaster and it simply does not do what it claims to. It doesn't teach critical thinking or HOW to think. It teaches us what to think and is basically a propaganda playground for the State to raise us to become good little citizens who will obey whatever we are told.
That is my well informed opinion, at least.
Read John Taylor Gatto's (former NY state teacher of the year)'Dumbing us Down' or 'weapons of mass instruction' for more.
The moral high road arguments with only cliches and no 'meat' are the best. It makes people feel good to blindly praise "teachers" and "education" and look down with scorn at anyone who has the audacity to question the process or the people involved. The same way anyone who questions the government's mass killings abroad is unpatriotic. Sad really.
i know nothing of this situ, but i know that 70k is not enough to lead a middle class lifestyle in NOLA, so i'd imagine chicago would be out of the question.
Apparently anyone can be a dumbass though, and some are able to stick with it for some time too.
Jord20,
This is exactly what I am talking about. You are making statements that don't apply to the topic. Nobody is questioning the capabilities of the of the education system and it's failings. Teachers as a whole have little or no input into what is required teaching. It is easy to say that are educational system falls short. So does government, justice system, and even our waste management systems. The state of the industry has little to do with the pay of its components.
Let's make one thing clear, most teachers would gladly accept a more rigorous educational outline. Unfortunately their input is not asked for. So rather than addressing the failures of a flawed system, which it is flawed, I am trying to find out how some can put a price tag on others in a career field that they have no knowledge of.
Hope this helps,
FDC
Teaching should be a "calling." Then so should doctoring, nursing, and anything medical. Why should teaching be a calling and yet an insurance man can rip or try to rip your ass off. It amazes me that people put so little importance at least in compensation for the people who educate. I have an idea, maybe people should have to pay for their kids to have an eduction and the people without kids should pay jack shit. It wouldn't work that way, there were would be less children and schools would go to hell. I would rather my tax money go to your child's education than some other bullshit. There is a reason why some
States fair well in education and others don't ala Texas and Kentucky. Wisconsin was a top 10 educated state and it has Milwaukee, what a miracle. I'll predict WI falls dramatically in 5 years with the recent education changes
States fair well in education and others don't ala Texas and Kentucky. Wisconsin was a top 10 educated state and it has Milwaukee, what a miracle. I'll predict WI falls dramatically in 5 years with the recent education changes
Isn't that what you are doing?
And, by the way, it's hard to ignore the system when the very teachers you are arguing for/about get paid from the system... which is based on coercion and monopoly. You are arguing about market principles in a world where there is no market... it is socialized education. I'm not sure how you can push that issue aside. It is CORE to the problem.
Agreed, one of the dumbest statements ever made is that something is a calling. A calling refers to religion and being called to task by God, the term came to be in religious circles and professions. How anyone can make a reference to it yet find reasons for themselves to be monetarily rewarded for their meaningless and pointless professions is ridiculous. More than three out of four people in the United States work in meaningless professions that cater to the wants and desires of the public. If you break everything down, very few professions are NEEDED for a productive society and education is one of them. Nobody needs salesmen, marketers, mechanics, contractors, or farmers for that matter. These are all professions of convenience and we don't need a damn one of them. Unfortunately, people have a vastly overblown sense of self. Especially on this site.
Hope that helps,
FDC
Okay, so you are saying that we have socialized education and it should be changed, correct? The teachers are given curriculum guidelines that must be met, correct? You are saying that those that set the curriculum are responsible for paying the educators? Are you honestly questioning the pay of the teachers because of your view of the system itself? If that is the case then that means that gas station owners are responsible for the price of oil? Airline pilots are responsible for baggage charges? The system's failures have nothing to do with the pay of the teachers. It has everything to do with the ADMINISTRATORS of the system that design and write the curriculum. It has everything to do with what parents are willing to accept as education. Have you ever seen a teacher that refused to educate an individual when asked? Teachers have to educate at the speed of the slowest student with the "No stupid kid left behind" type curriculum and testing. I am not saying I want to ignore the failings and shortcomings of the nations education system as it compares internationally. Quite the contrary, let's make it special, loaded with special people and great minds. I think we should do everything we can to educate the smartest of the smart commensurate with their intelligence level, unfortunately nobody will take the job because they don't work for "a calling", they have to be paid accordingly. We don't do that, we expect someone to teach our children everything they will need to be a successful person in society. Obviously, we don't want to do it. Hell no, you honestly think that Hedgehog is going to take a day off of work so he can spend some extra time on the kids math homework? No way, that is the teacher's responsibility and she better not want money for it either damnit. We can't even see that our youth get the barest of educations yet you think that making the system more commensurate with the Asian school systems would somehow make things better?
Teachers in the CPS have been beaten, slapped, and screwed over for years and if the messages on this site are any indication, they are vastly under appreciated. That is what we are talking about.
Hope that helps,
FDC
"Nobody needs salesmen, marketers, mechanics, contractors, or farmers for that matter. These are all professions of convenience and we don't need a damn one of them. Unfortunately, people have a vastly overblown sense of self. Especially on this site."
That is your opinion. And you say everyone else has an overblown sense of self, then why is it that you feel the need to impose your morals and opinions on others? You condemn people on here for trying to value someone's worth, but then you think it is ok to point a gun at everyone else and tell them what they MUST pay that said person. So, your value is right and good and worthy of Mandate, but someone else's opinion is worthless.
I'm lost in the logic.
I will remove myself from this thread and stick to the handicapping stuff on here. Good luck to all and PEACE.
"The Function of the State's Ideological Minions and allies [is] to explain to the public that the Emperor does indeed have a fine set of clothes . . . the ideologists must explain that, while theft by one or more persons or groups is bad and criminal, that when the State engages in such acts it is not theft but the legitimate and even sanctified act called 'taxation.' The ideologists must explain that murder by one or more persons or groups is bad and must be punished, but that when the State kills it is not murder but an exalted act known as 'war' or "repression of internal subversion.' They must explain that while kidnapping or slavery is bad and must be outlawed when done by private individuals or groups, and when the State commits such acts it is not kidnapping or slavery but 'conscription' -- an act necessary to the public weal . . . . The age-old success of the ideologists of the State is perhaps the most gigantic hoax in the history of mankind."
That is your opinion. And you say everyone else has an overblown sense of self, then why is it that you feel the need to impose your morals and opinions on others? You condemn people on here for trying to value someone's worth, but then you think it is ok to point a gun at everyone else and tell them what they MUST pay that said person. So, your value is right and good and worthy of Mandate, but someone else's opinion is worthless.
I'm lost in the logic.
I will remove myself from this thread and stick to the handicapping stuff on here. Good luck to all and PEACE.
"The Function of the State's Ideological Minions and allies [is] to explain to the public that the Emperor does indeed have a fine set of clothes . . . the ideologists must explain that, while theft by one or more persons or groups is bad and criminal, that when the State engages in such acts it is not theft but the legitimate and even sanctified act called 'taxation.' The ideologists must explain that murder by one or more persons or groups is bad and must be punished, but that when the State kills it is not murder but an exalted act known as 'war' or "repression of internal subversion.' They must explain that while kidnapping or slavery is bad and must be outlawed when done by private individuals or groups, and when the State commits such acts it is not kidnapping or slavery but 'conscription' -- an act necessary to the public weal . . . . The age-old success of the ideologists of the State is perhaps the most gigantic hoax in the history of mankind."
