Chicago Teachers

[vinnie]

teachers do not deserve to be paid equivalent of 87K per year, sorry...

maybe not in the Red Lion Area School District :lol:

 

[Mr. Poon]

teachers do not deserve to be paid equivalent of 87K per year, sorry...

why? :shrug:

At the same time, can you enlighten us with the justification of your annual salary. opcorn2

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Lewis said there was progress on the two most vexing issues - using student test scores to evaluate teachers and giving more authority to local principals to hire teachers.

The union is concerned that more than a quarter of its membership could be fired because the teachers work in poor neighborhoods where students perform badly on standardized tests, which Emanuel wants to use to evaluate teachers.

"This is really not a 'gotcha' evaluation system," Byrd-Bennett said. "It's to make sure we have a very high standard ... that will keep the very best teachers in front of our students every day."

Lewis said the union fears Emanuel plans to close scores of schools, putting unionized teachers out of work. In recent years about 100 public schools have been closed, with officials usually citing low enrollments. At the same time, a similar number of publicly funded, non-union charter schools have opened.

Both sides agree Chicago schools need fixing. Chicago students consistently perform poorly on standardized math and reading tests. About 60 percent of high school students graduate, compared with 75 percent nationwide and more than 90 percent in some affluent Chicago suburban schools.

The fight does not appear to center on wages, with the school district offering an average 16 percent rise over four years and some benefit improvements. Chicago schools already have a projected $665 million budget gap for the year that began in July, a key factor driving Emanuel's reforms.

More than 80 percent of Chicago public school students qualify for free school lunches because they come from low-income households.

"Teachers feel beaten down throughout the country," said Randi Weingarten, national president of the union including the Chicago teachers. "They feel beaten down because of austerity, because of test- rather than teacher-driven policies, because of a spike in poverty, because of the demand on them to do more with less - and then blame them when that doesn't work out."

"That's what's created all the frustration that you hear on the picket line," she said.

Vinnie;;; appears no one heard a word you said..as usual most posst have nothing to do with the facts..it's not the 16% raise the unions/teachers are balking on...it being held accountable for performance that has the panties in a wad...

one more time a pic is worth a thousand words.

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[Trampled Underfoot]

Vinnie;;; appears no one heard a word you said..as usual most posst have nothing to do with the facts..it's not the 16% raise the unions/teachers are balking on...it being held accountable for performance that has the panties in a wad...

one more time a pic is worth a thousand words.

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doggie I thought we had this conversation. Insurance salesmen are not allowed to question the value of any profession. Let alone one that actually adds value to society.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

hedgy, where did you learn math? It's 93K. :mj07: :mj07:

 

[hedgehog]

hedgy, where did you learn math? It's 93K. :mj07: :mj07:

YOU ARE RIGHT TRAMPLED EQUIVALENT TO 93K :facepalm: EVEN WORSE

 

[gardenweasel]

it`s a public relations disaster....they were offered a 16% raise over 4 years.....they were asking 30% over 2 years(maybe that was just a starting point?...whatever,it`s not realistic).......

4% a year?.......i know my c.d.`s that were getting 5.5 % 4 years ago are now drawing 2-2.5%( it sucks,but it`s not bad at this point in timein our economy...you have to settle for crumbs)..........

do yourself and every union brother you have a favor and take the money and run...not a good time to look greedy....

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

YOU ARE RIGHT TRAMPLED EQUIVALENT TO 93K :facepalm: EVEN WORSE

Maybe you could ask one of these teachers to go over basic math again with you.

 

[BuckwheatJWN]

You can't pay a good teacher enough, but unfortunately you can't get rid of bad ones. As much as we'd like to defend teachers, we all know there are bad ones who should get on with some other occupation as their LIFE'S WORK. With all of us being sports fans we probably at one time or another wanted a high school coach to get fired for a team of 15-17 year old's bad performances, when we should have been more concerned about the "slacker" English or math teacher our kids have. I'm not sure what standard should be used, but teachers should be treated like other professionals or at least like coaches. It's not like they are going to get fired to NEVER work again or have to go ass't manage a McDonalds. They are college educated people with something to offer. They may have to relocate, like a lot of other professional people, but there will always be a job open for them. I know I will probably get scolded by those PRO UNION people on here of which I am usually one. However unlike teachers, I NEVER got to vote for MY BOSS in the private sector. :0008

 

[UGA12]

I can't speak for other states, but here's some Ga. info. I would also like to preface this by saying I have never and will never worry about rule changes, accountability, or any other new and improved ways of fixing the world of education. I do right by my 150 students and leave all the acronym creation to the "experts".

Pay

Teachers such as myself that are willing to continue their education(advanced degrees) can do pretty well for themselves for an 8-4 job 9 months a year. The problem is that there are few that actually work those hours or for that few months. Most coach, sponsor clubs, attend conferences, work events, etc.


Accountability

We were informed yesterday that beginning in October the new Ga. accountability rules would begin in a few pilot schools including ours. Beginning in 2013-14 it will be rolled out to the entire state. It is a three level system that produces a score for each teacher. The scores are derived from admin. observations, student improvement (pre/post tests), and student surveys. Being a pilot school, the only ones that will count for us this year are admin. observations and student surveys. Needless to say some teachers are not happy being judged by students surveys:shrug: "Student improvement" in classes that do not have an EOCT(end of course test) will be judged on improvement between pre and post test. Problem is, unlike EOCT's, these SLO's(student learning objectives) will not count as a grade for the student. Needless to say some teachers are not happy that they will be judged on a test that students know does not count as a grade:shrug:

 

[zoomer]

You can't pay a good teacher enough, but unfortunately you can't get rid of bad ones. As much as we'd like to defend teachers, we all know there are bad ones who should get on with some other occupation as their LIFE'S WORK. With all of us being sports fans we probably at one time or another wanted a high school coach to get fired for a team of 15-17 year old's bad performances, when we should have been more concerned about the "slacker" English or math teacher our kids have. I'm not sure what standard should be used, but teachers should be treated like other professionals or at least like coaches. It's not like they are going to get fired to NEVER work again or have to go ass't manage a McDonalds. They are college educated people with something to offer. They may have to relocate, like a lot of other professional people, but there will always be a job open for them. I know I will probably get scolded by those PRO UNION people on here of which I am usually one. However unlike teachers, I NEVER got to vote for MY BOSS in the private sector. :0008

As a rule, I am not a supporter of unions, but many in my family teach. Some here in the suburbs, others in inner city Bronx and Brooklyn. I myself have my degree in education, but never taught. I do know this, ..many outsiders perceive their jobs to be easy. They aren't. Far from it. I strongly believe that the hiring process needs to be reevaluated. Under the proposed system of evaluation, the Principals are given far too much latitude for evaluations and tenure denials. Personality issues become excuses for poor evaluations. It happens now, it will happen in the future. The time to get tough is during the hiring process and later,ALL tenure decisions need to be made by committee. Will it be perfect? No. Does it make more sense than the proposed systems? Absolutely.

 

[fatdaddycool]

teachers do not deserve to be paid equivalent of 87K per year, sorry...

Really, so what price tag would you put on your children's education Hedge? Is 55K too much? Is that what your children's only conceivable advantage in their early years other than family wealth is worth to you? You want to know what is really fucked up is I pay those taxes too and I don't have any children in school. I pay for your kids education every fricking day and I don't think they get paid enough to not only educate, but raise most of our country's youth. Did you teach your kids about potty training? Did you teach them the social skills necessary to get through a school day and not be singled out or beat up? You know what? Teachers read to your kids every single day of the work week, you don't, so what price does that put on your worth to your children's futures? Certainly much less than the 55K you don't want to pay. Hell, you don't even pay it?


What's worse is that, as an employee, you broke the rules of the workplace that employs you with fraternization and you feel you have the social authority to set a teacher's net worth to society?

You are dead wrong, besides, Willard didn't make his money honestly like some working man with a lunch pal and a hard hat, he stole it from those people so get your information in order.


Hope that chips away at the crust,
FDC

 

[yyz]

Dude I do not envy there vocation nor the salary.
I make a hell alot more than that and am worth every penny.

:0074

:facepalm:


This is so sad to see in a thread arguing education.

 

[Happy Hippo]

70k in Chicago is really not that much.

The whole educational system is in need of a lot of reform. The U.S. is far behind the leading countries in terms of scores in basic areas of reading, math, and science. Our system does not produce students well suited for the modern economy, and I think it is difficult to ask teachers to be accountable in a system that needs a complete overhaul. This is an awesome video, and really worth a watch for anyone interested in this subject:

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[WhatsHisNuts]

70k in Chicago is really not that much.

The whole educational system is in need of a lot of reform. The U.S. is far behind the leading countries in terms of scores in basic areas of reading, math, and science. Our system does not produce students well suited for the modern economy, and I think it is difficult to ask teachers to be accountable in a system that needs a complete overhaul. This is an awesome video, and really worth a watch for anyone interested in this subject:

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Phenomenal video! Thanks for sharing. :0008

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

70k in Chicago is really not that much.

The whole educational system is in need of a lot of reform. The U.S. is far behind the leading countries in terms of scores in basic areas of reading, math, and science. Our system does not produce students well suited for the modern economy, and I think it is difficult to ask teachers to be accountable in a system that needs a complete overhaul. This is an awesome video, and really worth a watch for anyone interested in this subject:

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That is a great video.

 

[saint]

Saw that video a while ago, very cool/talented. Some flawed reasoning but nonetheless worth watching.

 

[Mr. Poon]

Dude I do not envy there vocation nor the salary.
I make a hell alot more than that and am worth every penny.

:0074

missed this until yyz pointed it out. I'll echo the :facepalm:


You and hedge related?

 

[UGA12]

The video has some very valid points, but until essential needs are met at home it will be an uphill battle for a lot of kids.

Maslow's hierarchy of needs

 

[UGA12]

Saw your question about my ATL trip, grab my email from Jack and shoot me a note.

You coming into town?