chilly reception for debate

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Would be good for north and south Sponge Bob

You could grow your garden year round--and we wouldn't have to put up with you migrating to the south in winter

 

[djv]

Conservatives upset with there T V network FOX. Fox has had reporter up by melting ice packs doing study with others in several places. Gave one report of alarming rate ice is melting and thickness at levels never seen before. Polar Bears that need ice to hunt from are disapering faster then first thought. His chit in trouble. Used word alarming.
Was a no/no use something like changes can be seen, not alarming.

 

[Chadman]

Wayne, and other Global Warming dismissers, I wonder what you think about this specific question...

Do you think that man over the past, say, 100 years, has had any affect on our atmosphere, ozone levels, that kind of thing? And if not, why do you say that? If so, would it not make some sense to at least have some concerns about what we can do to curb those affects in some ways?

I agree with ImFeklhr that you can find plenty of science to either agree or disagree on this issue. And I am not advocating a blanket policy or extreme cowtowing to any individual or group on this - I'm sure there are plenty of incorrect theories - fully funded ones at that - on both sides. I am no fan of Al Gore, I assure you.

But it's as if people are so resistant about this that they cannot even allow for any kind of personal man-made responsibility on this - and those same people will rant on other issues about personal responsibility being the most important thing.

 

[Jabberwocky]

If you deny that global warming is happening I truly believe that you are legally fvcking retarded. I suppose we could argue about causality, but to dismiss it as an established phenomena makes you a moron.


Speaking of morons, and off topic, I heard Lush Limbaugh say the other day that GW needs Al Queda to "surrender" in order for the world to truly appreciate what a great thing he did by invading Iraq. How fvcking stupid do you have to be to listen to this guy? Surrender? Unreal. I guess if you think we are fighting a "war" then you are so terminally dumb that Lush might be a voice of reason for you.

 

[Happy Hippo]

If you deny that global warming is happening I truly believe that you are legally fvcking retarded.

Now those are some harsh words Jabber :mj07: :mj07:

Just read another great article today about global warming and fossil fuels, stressing the importance of local community - buying local which not only cuts back on fossil fuel consumption used in transportation, but also supports community. And an apple from the local farm tastes a helluva lot better than an apple flown in from New Zealand, let me tell you.

In the long run, it will be the strong local communities that survive when the oil runs out.

 

[The Sponge]

Watched the Republican debate last night and most canidates talked about global warming an none of them denied it. A few even said "we have to face this because this is a problem" Will dogs be the last guy standing on this issue? Jabber Rush has 13.5 million listeners. That is why people in other countries consider ours filled with a bunch of dopes. got to love a few Democratic moves lately. They wonder why people label them weak. We really have no party to represent us.

 

[djv]

Yes and I could not believe how they all liked UNIONS. BOY a dead give away. They never liked unions.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Chad I am 100% for anything we do to keep environment clean--yes I think we have been prolific poluters of air land and water.

Correct no one can prove either side--however the nearest thing we have to proof is history--and history dictates without question that climate has went in cycles for centuries. It was hotter back in the 30's Why?-less polution.

What you have now is some guy screaming the sky is falling to sell books-give speachs and the all to willing doom and gloom crowd to follow.

The results IMO would be huge impact on U.S. economy and even bigger adv for India,China , Russia ect than they already hold. You will see a mass exodus out of U.S. and other markets--If you got 401k you best be looking at funds of Asian and India markets or cash because it will stop growth elsewhere in in tracks.

 

[Chadman]

Wayne, you know I agree with you in some ways about the Gore and followers crowd, but I really don't think overall that he is only doing this for the money. I really think he believes in it, and has made it his cause, which is up to the watcher to do with what they see fit. I was really impressed today to see him come right out and say he is not running for President - that lends more credence to his position in so many ways - and is EXTREMELY helpful to the party he is a part of.

As for the global markets and what this will do to our position in them - what has global warming theory and activities done to hurt the U.S. position globally to this point? Monetary policy and national debt and trading deficits have put us where we are now - who is to blame for that? Gore and his followers? Hardly. And now you say we can't do anything on global warming because it will hurt our economic standing and competitiveness in the world? I know what your point is, and I don't doubt that other countries won't have to fall in line - and probably won't - but seriously, man...that is pretty weak considering we've done nothing along these lines so far and look where we are now.

And your point on referencing history...and centuries of data...how many years has man been polluting the environment to the degree it has in the industrial age? And especially SINCE the 30's, which you reference? Yeah, less pollution back in the 30's which could make it hotter to a degree, but what will the 70 years of pollution, and the 70 to come do to the atmosphere and change the environment we live in?

Seems to me to be pretty common sensical...

 

[djv]

Global warming has nothing to do with our deficits. See Bush last 6 years spending party. And boy they had control of it all till 6 months ago.
Golbal warming is just that everyones problem. We just need to keep our heads out of the sand and do our part. Should be easy for Bush he believes he's king of the world. But now his good buddy who like's to act like Bush. Good old Putman told the Rice Lady he's the new king. AH that was after he made her sit and wait to see him for 45 min's. Bush has just about screwed up what Reagan worked so hard to do. In fact he just about screws up everything.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I sure don't know how anyone got deficeit and global warming comparison out of this DJV--they are totally unrelated:shrug:

--as far as anyone taking stance on issue such as GOP noted above--I don't think any sane person would/should be against cutting down poluting our environment--and believe there have programs in place for years to do just that-however admittedly not taken serious enough.

My point the doom and gloom-- Global Warming crowd is trying to emphasis can not be proven--and Gores attempt with false and misleading statements are absurb.

Now I can be persuaded to change my mind the
1st time anyone presents proof to the contrary--but to date--not only can anyone not present factsto back up theory but refuse open debate on issue.

With all the monetary challenges out there --you think someone would be wanting to cash in--
--if they could

As matter of fact I lean hard to to left on environmental issues--and applaud anyone even Gore that brings issues to the forefront--my prob with this issue is the smoke and mirror's and false pretenses IMO--in doing so.

The most catastrophical occurance that could have occurred to mankind was failure to have global warming in the past not visa versa.