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Wareagle Took time to go over those stocks hitting highs.

CHA
PTR
SHI
SNP

CHA is in telecom and competes with 3 (soon to be 4) telecom companys in China. I say soon to be 4 because the 4th is not listed on exchanges but have IPO set for 1-15-04 I believe.
I bought one telecom CHU intially and maybe for silly reason,because it cost less and paid div and I thought it had most room for run up. Might prove to be stupid reason. I have $8.01 in it and if it drops to 9 will sell.

SHI PTR SNP are are oil competitors. Took position on PTR out of the 3 mainly because of Buffet buying into it and knowing I am a dummy and he is pretty savvy I figured I'd jump on wagon.
Plus he owes me as I need to recoup loss on his BRKB shares from few years back. :)
 

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DTB as to your question when to sell, I ussually make a mistake or two every year with selling a stock.

This year it was Fording Coal FDG.un this was a spin off in CP, and because of a takeover target it decided to become an income trust. The company would pay free cash flow to shareholders. I bought it at prices $26-$28, thought it was good value since the mine life was 20+ years and was going to get $4.50 approx in dividends.

The stock began to run up as coal prices improved I sold near a 52 week high (STUPID) $39 if I waited another month it is now at $45 hit just under $50. It was in resources and the income trust sector to places that had a good year. Income trusts in Cdn. capped off a good year, did one income trust lose money in December, sure one did but most seem to just continue to climb as people chased yield.

do not sell a stock if it is breaking new highs, have stops sent below to sell a percentage you feel comfotbale with....I use stop varying from 10-20%. On thinly traded spec Junior companies I may set stops as high as 30%.

If the stock if outperforming the general market and the sector it is in, do not be in a hurry to sell it....many people I know will sell a stock that made them 20% and then use the money to buy more of the stock that lost them 30%. just does not make sense.


will post an article on selling stocks, very well done and on the cdn. banks rate of return soon.


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taking Mr Kirks advice and putting stop loss orders on those I can this morning.

orders placed
CHU stop loss 9
ASD stop loss 90
PTR stop loss 50

jan progress on China stocks

PTR
bought @ $39.79 current 56.73

MAPTX A china mutual fund
bought @ 11.42 currently 13.61

Tsingtao Brewery Co Ltd (TSGTY.PK)
bought 8.60 current 12.95

Denway Motors Ltd (DENMF.PK)
bought .62 currently 1.11

China Unicom Ltd (CHU)
bought 8.01 currently 10.16

American Standard Company Inc (ASD)
bought 83.65 current 101.33

Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings Ltd (CKISF.PK)
bought 2.12 current 2.26

NOTE:stop loss on PTR exercised on 1-12-04
 
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thought I would add this to DTB thread on China. the following link list 30 stocks that trade on the US, have a market cap of greater than $50 million and must do most of their business in China.


http://www.usxchinaindex.com/

this link may have been posted before.
David Stanley had an article in Cdn. Moneysaver in which he picked stocks from the "index"

Jan 16, 2004
PTR energy $47.53, CHA telecom $40.41, China National offshore $39.40, HNP utility $67.60, CBA Industrial $52, ACH (materials) $68.50, GSH railway $ 15.43, NTE consumer $ 30.44, CYD idustrial $26.26, DSWL industrial $27.58.


some are down, some up, he picked them on sector, PE, yield, market cap. he has not investigated the indivual companies.

David Stanley does is not bullish or bearish on China, he notes that China will grow about 6-9% for this year and next. and the country of roughly of 1.3 billion people which is growing at .9% now accounts for more than 20% of the worlds exports compared to 5% in 1975.

one funny item was referring to analysts in his article " 1/3 think China will soar, 1/3 think it will crash, 1/3 will think it will be flat."
someone is correct :)


David Stanley mainly writes a few columns for the moneysaver, do not follow his picks but every year he ussually puts a collection of stocks that together beat the Toronto index.

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Thanks for link Kirk--I had it indirectly as link to site I use but never used it:eek:

http://www.beijingportal.com.cn/7838/2004/02/05/1380@1862455.htm

Good time for 6 month update on those purchased--been a bad week but they still are holding their own as all have managed to stay positive after 6 months from purchase

PTR
bought @ $39.79 current 51.76
Sold @ stop loss of $50
21% gain

MAPTX A china mutual fund
bought @ 11.42 currently 13.67>up 19.7 %

Tsingtao Brewery Co Ltd (TSGTY.PK)
bought 8.60 current 11.40> up 32.56%

Denway Motors Ltd (DENMF.PK)
bought .62 currently 1.13> up 82.26%

China Unicom Ltd (CHU)
bought 8.01 currently 10.64>up 32.83%

American Standard Company Inc (ASD)
bought 83.65 current 111.22> up 32.96%
(3 for split approved in Feb)

Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings Ltd (CKISF.PK)
bought 2.12 current 2.50>up 17.92%

NOTE:stop loss on PTR exercised on 1-12-04
 

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On the subject of China...has anyone heard or know of Semiconductor Manufacturer International Corp.? There the leading and largest semiconductor producer in China and they're offering and IPO before summer.
 

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CLL drops 23% :(

CLL drops 23% :(

Conancher oil and gas talked about it and was my small cap selection for my share club in this years contest, thankfully not chosen. at $1.14 and also mentioned it at $1.54

since then has drifted lower and was asked about the company and stated still liked it however would wait, since the stock was not behaving well, continued to go down after hitting a high.

well today they announced that instead of their target of around 2500 b/d( barrels per day) they will come in at 1350-1400.

the problem is their property at Cabri where they have drilled six of 13 wells. production is at 25-40% of what is expected.

production may be increased but it is a setback that one of their properties has proven disapointing.

the stock now sits at .80 I have sold 50% of my position at 24% loss. keeping some, target is no longer $2.

growth will be cut back as drilling slows down, to conserve cash and slowly build up production.

this company has production and other land packages also production will grow only question is how much, hoping for 1800-2000 by end of the year.

also is cashflow positive and did a financing, however many investors who took part in this round will feel burned and will put selling presure on the stock in the coming days/weeks.

will keep some until year end (stock contest) to track, also stock has decent prospects.

Coolbrands and Rider worked out well ( small caps picked the previous years) this one will need much better news to turn it around. One more thing management set very high targets (aggresive) it is better to under promise and over deliver.

that is one point I should have noted and taken as a warning.


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DTB, i have had these notes being sent too me for the last year from a friend, but thought this was an interesting twist in particular on China and base metals and gold you might be interested in.
not sure how it will show up on the forum, since it was in pdf file.




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March 22, 2004

2. The Ongoing Significance of China to Canadian Investors ? Part 2
Last year, we were one of the earliest to write about the significance of China to the global economy in general and
the commodity producing nations such as Canada in particular. In January 2003, we issued a three part series of
Weekly Strategy Notes on the implications of China?s growth plans in the coming decade. Our March 8 2004
Strategy Note and this week?s Note plus two subsequent issues are designed to update that work. Over the last year,
we have continued to emphasize the influence of China on economic and financial forecasts and one of the key
points we have made in our recently completed March 2004 Quarterly Portfolio Strategy report is that our 2004
forecasts for global economic growth are heavily dependent on continued growth in China as well as elsewhere in
emerging East Asian economies.

In this week?s Strategy Note, we will detail some longer-term forecasts for five base metals as well as for golds, all
of which are key commodities produced by Canadian companies and we will demonstrate the increasing importance
of Chinese import demand for those commodities. It is our view that, over the next few years, international investors
will recognize that one of the best and safest ways to play China and its burgeoning economic heft is through the
purchase of globally competitive Canadian commodity producers and service providers.

Our comments on the five
key base metals and gold are as follows:
a) Aluminum
Some observers have suggested of late that while China has become the world?s largest producer of aluminum and is
set to soon become its largest consumer of aluminum as well, the risks to the global market of a faltering in China?s
economic growth rate could have a severe impact on global aluminum trade. To examine these risks, Alcan this
month published a study, which it called ?Setting the record straight on China.?
According to this report on China?s aluminum industry, between 1995 and 2002, China accounted for 40% of the
increase in world aluminum production, while, in the first nine months of 2003, it accounted for 60% of the global
increase. China is the world?s largest supplier of aluminum producing 17% of the world?s supply from mostly high
cost, inefficient smelters. Its primary aluminum capacity reached 6.5 million tonnes at the end of 2003. According to
Alcan, about half that capacity came from 15 smelters with capacities above 100,000 tonnes per year. The rest of the
production came from 121 high-cost small smelters. Despite the high costs of power and alumina in China,
production increases have been fuelled by its significantly lower investment costs than those prevailing in the
Western World. This explains why China?s aluminum production tripled between 1995 and 2003 ? to 5.5 million
tonnes. However, the recent sharp rise in these two cost elements should, according to Alcan, slow the production
growth rate over the next few years.
China?s aluminum consumption has grown at a compound annual rate of 12% since 1995. Over that time frame,
China has accounted for almost half of the growth in the world?s primary aluminum consumption. This has reflected
China?s strong economic growth but also aluminum?s higher penetration rates in its main end-use markets. Alcan
suggests that the ?intensity of use of aluminum explains why, in recent years, growth in aluminum consumption has
exceeded the industrial production growth rate ? as is the case with countries that have reached the industrializing
phase of economic development.? Alcan?s chart below details the year from which GDP per capita at purchasing
power parity reaches US$2,900 for Japan (from 1954), Korea and Taiwan (from 1970) and China from 1994. This
indicates a likely acceleration in per capita aluminum consumption, which stood at 3.3 kg?s per head in China in
2002 vs. 4.5 kg?s for Brazil, 29.2 kg?s for the U.S. and 30.4 kg?s for Germany.

Historically, China has been a net importer of unwrought aluminum every year except 1998 and the last 2 years
during which China exported net 300,000 tonnes. However, if one takes into account scrap and semis as well, China
has been an importer of some 500,000 tonnes per year net over the last three years. Nevertheless, Alcan expects net
exports of unwrought aluminum to be about 250,000 tonnes per year over the next couple of years but that China will
be in a balanced position in overall aluminum trade towards the end of 2005.
When the final numbers are in for 2003, we expect that China will have consumed 5.2 million tonnes versus 5.5
million produced. Seven years ago, China consumed and produced approximately 2.1 million tonnes. Forecasting to
2006, Alcan expects China?s consumption of aluminum to increase at an average rate of 17% a year (assuming
China?s industrial production grows at 14% per year) versus growth in annual aluminum production of 22%. From
2006 to the end of the decade, Alcan projects 12% annual growth in consumption of aluminum, assuming industrial
production growth of 10% per year. By 2006, various estimates, including that of Alcan, peg China?s consumption at
8.3 million tonnes, and production at 8.2 million tonnes or an approximate balance. Alcan believes that the rate of
domestic production exceeding the rate of consumption (resulting in China being a net exporter) is not sustainable
from the middle to the end of the decade. China?s admission to the WTO is expected to stimulate and increase
domestic competition and therefore high cost, inefficient producers will be forced to shut down. Furthermore, the
possibility of limited supply of power and alumina, and the political will to close smelters that do not meet stricter
environmental regulations could constrain the production of aluminum. Alcan does recognize the risks to their longterm
forecasts of a sudden decline in aluminum consumption from tightening credit conditions, very high metal
process, changes in tax policy and a slowdown in the economy. However, the Company concludes that the danger of
the this scenario unfolding will diminish over time as aluminum?s penetration ratios accelerate and China?s
comparative investment cost advantage is increasingly offset by rising operating costs. Thus, Alcan summarizes its
report by saying ?We believe China will continue to be an important source of demand growth in our industry and
not, under any reasonable scenario, a disruptive participant.?

b) Copper
Since 1996, China has consumed more copper concentrates than it has produced. In 1996, China produced
approximately 439,000 tonnes of copper versus the 1,260,000 tonnes it consumed. At the end of 2003, we estimate
that China will have produced 550,000 tonnes versus a consumption of 3,071,520 tonnes. Year over year,
consumption increased 21%, while production increased by approximately 2%. Teck Cominco estimates that in
2003, copper concentrates rose 30% over 2002 levels ? to 782,000 tonnes - while imports of refined metal rose 18%
- to 1,303,000 tonnes.
By the end of the decade, we believe that China will have the ability to produce only 565,000 tonnes towards its
consumption needs of 3,800,000 tonnes. China?s appetite for copper will continue to increase. We expect China to
consume a greater proportion of the world?s production in the next seven years. China is expected to consume 29%
of the world?s production by the end of the decade compared to 20% in 2003 and 11% in 1996. We expect China to
continue to be a net importer of copper in the foreseeable future to meet the increased demand because most of its
mines are small and operate with minimal capital investment in an imperfect regulatory environment. Investments in
new mines or expansion of existing sites will be required to increase domestic smelter/refinery production but higher
treatment and refining charges are increasingly making Chinese copper smelters unprofitable.
 

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c) Nickel
We believe that of all the base metals, nickel will be the most favorably impacted by Chinese growth over the
balance of this decade. This view has been underlined by a recent interview we had with Inco.
From 2000-2003, Chinese nickel demand has had annual average growth of 33%. The driving force behind this
growth rate has been stainless steel demand, which has seen a growth rate of 30% from 1990 to 2003. Chinese steel
demand now represents almost 20% of global steel demand. Demand for stainless in China is expected to grow by
25% this year (from 4 million tonnes last year to 5 million tonnes) and to average anywhere between 10% and 20%
over the subsequent two years. Per capita consumption of stainless steel is still lower than most developed Asian
economies leaving the Chinese market yet to be fully exploited. China, which currently produces 25% of its
requirements for stainless steel, will need investments in large production facilities to meet this burgeoning demand.
The other 75% of China?s stainless steel requirements is imported from Korea, Taiwan and Japan.
Following several years in the low 40,000 tonnes range, the demand for nickel in China more than doubled during
the last three years to approximately 132,050 tonnes in 2003, a year over year increase of 39%. China?s mine
production was not able to keep up with the increased demand, increasing production by only 15% to about 62,000
tonnes during the same time period. According to Inco, China represented three quarters of the world demand growth
of 7.1% in 2003. 2003 world nickel demand was 1.25 million tonnes of which China and Japan represented 12% and
16%. Inco forecasts that China will surpass Japan as the leading nickel market in the world by the end of 2004.
China?s importance to nickel markets will accelerate through this decade. China is following the same stainless steel
demand timeline pattern as Korea, Taiwan and Japan. Stainless steel demand accelerates when GDP per capita
exceeds US$2,000. 300 million Chinese out of the population of 1.3 billion have now surpassed this point. As the
chart below shows, annual steel demand could reach 13 million tonnes by 2012 at the latest. As a result, we expect
China to consume 260,000 tonnes of nickel by the end of the decade with its domestic mine production failing to
increase materially.

In terms of global supply through 2010, the four largest new potential sources of nickel are Inco?s Voisey?s Bay
(2006 at 50,000 tonnes), Inco?s Goro (end of 2006 at 55,000 tonnes), Falconbridge?s Coniambo (2009? at 50,000
tonnes) and BHP?s Raventhorp (2009?at 50,000 tonnes). If we included every other potential new source of potential
supply (and several of these projects are questionable), we could add another 75,000 tonnes by 2010 to global nickel
supply. Thus, China?s demand alone could take up 260,000 tonnes of this incremental supply of 280,000 tonnes.
Thus, the Chinese market will have an increasing influence on Inco?s operations in Asia. This region, excluding
Japan, is now Inco?s largest market representing 42% of its sales. Including Japan, the region accounts for two thirds
of Inco?s sales. Although the company does not provide a breakdown of sales by countries in this region, we believe
that the Chinese market will become a larger proportion of that geographical segment going forward. Inco has a
presence in China having a sales office in Shanghai in 1994. It also owns a 65% interest in a nickel salts plant near
Shanghai partnering with China?s largest nickel company. As for Falconbridge, it does not disclose its sales to China
or Asia.
In view of the above analysis and the importance of China to world nickel demand, we believe that nickel prices are
at least likely to average between US$6 and $7 per pound for the foreseeable future. This means considerable free
cash flow for both Inco and Falconbridge and argues strongly for overweight long-term positions in both these
stocks.


d) Zinc
In 1996, China consumed 990,000 tonnes and produced 1,121,000 tonnes. At the end of 2002, China was the largest
zinc producer in the world with an output of 1,691,000 tonnes to meet its consumption requirement of 1,610,000
tonnes. For 2003, we estimate that China will have produced 130,000 tonnes less than 2002 due to smelter closures
to meet its consumption of about 1,900,000 tonnes or close to 20% of the world?s consumption. In 1990, China
accounted for only 8% of the world?s consumption.
Chinese zinc consumption has grown 14.7% per year from 1990 to 1993. This has been the key factor in raising the
annual global zinc consumption growth rates to 3.4% from 1990-2003 since the Rest of the World excluding China
grew at a 2.2% annual rate over the same period. Steadily increasing domestic demand has lead to lower Chinese
zinc exports recently. According to data provided by Teck Cominco at its institutional investor conference a month
ago, exports dropped last year by 22% - from 404,000 tonnes in 2002 to 315,00 tonnes in 2003.
In the same presentation, the Company also noted that Chinese imports of zinc concentrates were actually down
modestly as a result of tight supply worldwide (388,00 tonnes last year vs. 406,00 tonnes the year before). China?s
mine production is falling and it was in 2001 that China became a net importer of zinc concentrates after being a net
exporter since 1990 except for one year. By 2006, China is forecast to be a net importer to meet the conservatively
estimated consumption requirement, according to Falconbridge, of 2,023,000 tonnes. By the end of the decade,
China is projected to continue to need to import zinc in order to meet its estimated consumption requirement,
according to Falconbridge?s conservative estimate of 2,277,000 tonnes.
China?s net trade in zinc has changed dramatically over the last seven years. According to Teck Cominco, China?s
net trade (net concentrates and refined metal) in 1990 represented net exports of 10% of Western World demand
whereas in 2003, China?s net trade represented net imports of only 1% with 2004?s net trade projected to be a net
export of 0.1% of Western World demand.
As Teck Cominco noted in its recent investor conference, the significant growth in China?s steel industry has
resulted in its increased demand for zinc. Zinc is used for galvanizing or rust proofing steel. As steel production
grows, the need for galvanizing, and therefore zinc, increases. China produces more steel than the US and Japan
combined. Traditionally, China uses less galvanizing for its steel products than the Western World, but it has been
moving aggressively to catch up. Currently, there are about 23 galvanizing plants under construction and it is
anticipated that they will be completed by 2005. By next year, China?s capacity of galvanizing sheet steel is expected
to increase to 5.6 million tonnes per year from its current 2.4 million tonnes per year.

e) Lead
From 1996 to 2000, China?s domestic mine production was sufficient to meet its domestic demand for lead. In 1996,
China consumed 470,000 tonnes versus the 581,000 tonnes it produced. However, since 2001 China has been a net
importer of lead. In 2003, we estimate consumption would have been 845,000 tonnes versus the 640,000 tonnes it
was capable of producing.
We expect that China will continue to be a net importer of lead. China is estimated to represent just over 12% of
world lead consumption (compared to its estimated 18% of global zinc consumption). Teck Cominco, in the above
mentioned investor conference, indicated that imports of lead concentrates in 2003 increased by 71.9% - to 435,000
tonnes. Exports of refined metal were estimated to have risen only 13.2% last year ? to 411,000 tonnes. We expect
that by 2010 China?s lead consumption will have increased to better than a million tonnes (but still representing only
12-13% of global consumption, which includes recycled lead) with no meaningful increase in domestic mine
production to meet this higher level of demand. This would mean that China would be importing better than 350,000
tonnes of lead or about 14% of the world?s total lead production. China?s import requirement, therefore, could be a
significant factor in determining the long-term price of lead. We would regard this as an important potential plus for
Teck Cominco, which produced about 3% of the world?s supply in 2003.
Earnings (mm) Leverage for 10% change in base metal prices
Copper Zinc Nickel Aluminim
Alcan NA NA NA $301
Falconbridge $79 $7 $74 NA
Inco $23 NA $143 NA
Noranda $72 $41 $37 $26
Teck Cominco $50 $52 NA NA
Shares
Outstanding
(mm)
Alcan 367.5
Falconbridge 177.1
Inco 183.1
Noranda 286.9
Teck Cominco 185.3
EPS Leverage for 10% change in base metal prices
Copper Zinc Nickel Aluminim
Alcan (Post-Pechiney) NA NA NA $0.82
Falconbridge $0.44 $0.04 $0.42 NA
Inco $0.13 NA $0.78 NA
Noranda $0.25 $0.14 $0.13 $0.09
Teck Cominco $0.27 $0.28 NA NA
 

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g) Gold
In 2002, China liberalized its gold market. Gold was made available, for the first time since 1949, as an investment
option to Chinese citizens. The Chinese central bank ended its half a century stranglehold on gold trading and
ushered in a new system of gold trading as it launched the Shanghai Gold Exchange. Although the central bank no
longer will be able to set the domestic gold price, it still controls the import and export of gold. Some estimates
indicate that allowing its ordinary citizens to buy gold will boost China?s domestic demand from the current level of
200 tonnes/year to 400 tonnes/year. The pent up demand is enormous as official statistics indicate that China?s 1.3
billion people had RMB and foreign currency savings deposits of approximately US$2,655 billion at the end of 2003
? up 20.2% over the 2002 year-end figure. We estimate that China produces 180 tonnes/year. Over the next 5 years,
we believe that China should able to increase production by 5-8%/year but not sufficient to meet consumption
requirements. China is the fourth largest producer in the world, but its gold producers are small and under capitalized
and operate in a highly fractured industry.
 

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Thanks IE Quite interesting as always:)
Commodities scare the hell out of me however Kirk is at home in that area. When I returned from China I was going to dabble in steel but too many players and speculation. While China produces lots of low grade steel they import most high grade and they are just getting into auto production and other areas so demand should be high in future. If your friend finds any
info in that area I'd appreciate a heads up. Been looking for China to open own high steel grade facilitie but can find little info.
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Not a good month for China stocks as China raised its reserve requirements for the third time since September--if PTR China Petro drops to around $40 will consider buying back.
 

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update; Some nice info from Wareagle. The china stocks have taken hit with small recovery past couple days. Had stop losses on most that I could but they expired and I was too lazy to renew most. --and I do not have dicipline to sell on day to day basis as I can always come up with reason not too. :)
As with now --I am hoping the worst is over and not selling. In my mind the best way to sell is to set gain target and when it gets there sell enough to recoup initial investment and keep the rest. That way I figure nothing to lose an still have more room for gains--but I lack the dicilpline.



PTR
bought @ $39.79 current 51.76
Sold @ stop loss of $50
21% gain

MAPTX A china mutual fund
bought @ 11.42 currently 13.o6>up 14.36 %

Tsingtao Brewery Co Ltd (TSGTY.PK)
bought 8.60 current 9.65> up 12.21%

Denway Motors Ltd (DENMF.PK)
bought .62 currently .51> down 17.74 %

China Unicom Ltd (CHU)
bought 8.01 currently 7.69> down 4%

American Standard Company Inc (ASD)
bought 83.65 current 111.83> up 33.96%
(3 for split approved in Feb)

Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings Ltd (CKISF.PK)
bought 2.12 current 2.20>up 3.77%

NOTE:stop loss on PTR exercised on 1-12-04

Some Notes of interest Denmf lost a bunch of value in one day on report of GM entering their field of expertise--however when going to sell I noticed I had been paid dividend on their stock which totally baffles me on a 50 cent stock. MaybeKirk could shed light on how that was possible--and CKISF which is hard to find any info on also paid dividend????

Note: 3 for 1 split on ASD occurred this morning 5-28-04
price now 37 and change a share.
 
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DTB Denmf paid a dividend of 18cents HK. of this amount 8cents HK was a special dividend. The company also paid a dividend in 2002, believe it was 7cents HK

the earnings more than covered than dividend and it seems they have a history of paying out dividends. most small caps do not pay out dividends there are some that do....


as for ckisf they have a web page that you should be able to get more information on them. maybe I have the wrong company.

here is the link.

http://www.cki.com.hk/english/hongKong/home/index.htm

hoping this link works.

thanks
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One year update on how China stocks are doing.

PTR
bought @ $39.79 current 54.51
Sold @ stop loss of $50 0n 1-12-04
21% gain

MAPTX A china mutual fund
bought @ 11.42 currently 14.41>up 26.18%

Tsingtao Brewery Co Ltd (TSGTY.PK)
bought 8.60 current 9.90> up 15.12%

Denway Motors Ltd (DENMF.PK)
bought .62 currently .34> down 45.16%
correction had split 2-1 not dropped in
price--- today (12-16-04).37 up 19% since purchase NOT down 45.16%


China Unicom Ltd (CHU)
bought 8.01 currently 7.87>down 1.75 %

American Standard Company Inc (ASD)
bought 83.65 current 38.21 after 3 for one split> up 37.05%


Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings Ltd (CKISF.PK)
bought 2.12 current 2.70>up 27.36%

Pretty well satisfied with exception of Denway Motors who got up to over a $1 several times but on may 3rd lost half its value and has yet to recover. Oddly despite being penny stock this company has been paying dividend as well as Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings and CHU --have not included dividends in reports.

Always looking for more of these and appreciate input or suggestions on any that thay anyone sees potential on.
Still looking for one in the water treatment area but having little success.
 
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added another china stock yesterday
lngvy.pk @ 6.15 a share
don't know why this is listed on pk when I had to delete pk in order to buy it(american express brokerage) but would pull up on my yahoo data only with pk ???? anyway---
Thought I would speculate with one as balance sheet prior to buying/merger with IBM had no debt and 57% of stock held by insiders--3% institutions--hoping the latter will increase now.
Here is just on article of interest on stock that has both positive and neg feedback.----

http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_51/b3913045_mz011.htm
 
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