Coach Teaches 14 Year Olds How To Cheat

[Blitz]

My 14 year old son just played in a National Baseball Tournament in Florida. We played a team in the playoffs from Maryland and this is what they did.

Bases loaded and batter bunts ball down first base line. Don't remember if he was safe or out, but not important. I was keeping the book so after play was over I look & there is nobody on third, player scored from 2nd. I was like, WOW that kid must be fast to score all the way from 2nd on a simple bunt.

Well later, after the game, one of the dads was talking to a parent from another team and the father from the other teams asks him if the Maryland team tried anything funny against us. He was like, what do you mean? Well he told him that when they had 2nd & 3rd they bunted down the first base line so everybody looked that way & the runner on 2nd cuts across the diamond skipping 3rd base.

When I heard this I was thinking thats how that kid scored in our game. I thought it was incredible that the kid scored from 2nd on a bunt and now I knew what he did.

Imagine a coach teaching a group of 14 year olds to cheat like that? I told our coach I wouldn't let my kid play for a guy like that. If that happened with my kids team I would have said something to the ump. I can't believe out of all the parents on that team, not one would stand up to that coach.

 

[william13]

yeah those coaches that cheat .... suck

 

[yyz]

At that level, there are no umps on the bases? No one sitting in the stands on third base.

EVERYONE watched the bunt????? Christ, the 3rd baseman should have at least seen it and said something!

 

[PocketAces]

I'm surprised that the kid(s) don't say anything.

Pretty ballzy coach to make that move more than once too.

I never understood how people feel good about a win if they've cheated.

 

[yyz]

I'm surprised that the kid(s) don't say anything.

Pretty ballzy coach to make that move more than once too.

I never understood how people feel good about a win if they've cheated.

Ask a politician.

 

[Agent 0659]

This worked?????

 

[Blitz]

At that level, there are no umps on the bases? No one sitting in the stands on third base.

EVERYONE watched the bunt????? Christ, the 3rd baseman should have at least seen it and said something!

I believe even if the ump saw it he can't say anything unless we appeal him missing the base and we didn't see it. all our fans were on 1st base side where our dugout was. 3rd baseman probably was charging on bunt.

 

[Blitz]

This worked?????

Think about it, why wouldn't it work? Who would expect this in a game with 14 year olds let alone anyone...

 

[Blitz]

Only 2 umps in these games...

 

[jrush2525]

So you are saying that a guy on 2nd ran straight across the mound to home????? How in the hell did no one notice this???? :facepalm:

I don't see how this is possible.

 

[Old School]

if your third baseman is not watching his bag to make sure EVERY runner touches it on every pass of the bag then the coach needs to do a better job..

in fact..every coach he or she had didn't teach the child the correct way to play a bag..

 

[Old School]

what do I do when the ball is hit..

each and every player in the field has a responsibilty..

on every ball pitched.

 

[UGA12]

This is called a double squeeze and will only work at the older levels if it is indeed a squeeze and runner at second breaks as well. The play works because with a two man umpire crew home is responsible for the plate and the field guy is responsible for 1st base. Human nature dictates that fans wont look to third because it is not where the action is. I never personally used this play but can tell you that it does indeed work if all the elements are in place and then executed, which isn't easy.

I did teach the balk move however to those that could do it. I guess in the grand scheme of things, that is no better than the double squeeze.

 

[Blitz]

So you are saying that a guy on 2nd ran straight across the mound to home????? How in the hell did no one notice this???? :facepalm:

I don't see how this is possible.

No he didn't run across the mound he cut a good part of the corner off.

 

[Old School]

you can run the wheel and still make sure every bag is touched..


in tourney ball there should be at least 5 umps for this level of youth play..

 

[JOSHNAUDI]

I believe even if the ump saw it he can't say anything unless we appeal him missing the base and we didn't see it. all our fans were on 1st base side where our dugout was. 3rd baseman probably was charging on bunt.

Correct

A base runner is assumed to have touched a base/home plate because a missed base is an appeal play. The umpire only observes the missed base, he/she should not alert the other team to the infraction. On proper appeal, then the out would be called.

Bush-League in my opinion. Sorry Man.


7.10 Any runner shall be called out, on appeal, when?
(b) With the ball in play, while advancing or returning to a base, he fails to touch each
base in order before he, or a missed base, is tagged.

4.09 Approved Ruling - When a runner misses a base and a fielder holds the ball on a missed base, or on the base
originally occupied by the runner if a fly ball is caught, and appeals for the umpire?s decision, the
runner is out when the umpire sustains the appeal;

 

[Blitz]

you can run the wheel
in tourney ball there should be at least 5 umps for this level of youth play..

It was already $850 per team to play in this, if they had 5 umps per game the cost would be way higher. At least 3 would be nice though.

 

[JOSHNAUDI]

Which organization was running the tournament?

ie
Little League
PONY
Nations
USSSA
AAU
Babe Ruth
etc.

 

[Sportsaholic]

I liked the play, I had the over.....................:0008

 

[Old School]

It was already $850 per team to play in this, if they had 5 umps per game the cost would be way higher. At least 3 would be nice though.

see what ya mean..

shame the kids don't get the benefit of at least 4 umps..

best of luck..........

bottom line is fair play and fun..