Not a thread about McCarthy but the giants have 3 timeouts at falcon 14 with 3 timeouts and they stay in hurry up, eat clock.. nope give Atlanta the ball and time. Just like Frisco late last week against Green Bay
Coaches are stupid
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more testimony to the disarray of the NYG..
all the staff on the sidelines and together they don't know the simplest of moves.
when an entire coaching staffing upstairs and down can't burn clock.
you hired the wrong guy.........AGAIN
Because it is actually the right decision?
Https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/when-to-go-for-2-for-real/
IN THE HISTORY OF PRO FOOTBALL LATE IN THE 4TH QUARTER IN THE SAME SITUATION HAS ANYONE EVER DONE IT BEFORE? AND WON? MY GUESS IS IF IT WORKS THE NEXT TIME IT'S DONE THE ODDS WILL BE 50% :0008
Clearly you didn?t read the article.
?If you?re down 8 points after scoring a touchdown (with 10 minutes left), you should go for 2, because the difference between being down 7 points (if you make the extra point) and being down 6 points (if you convert the 2) is greater than the difference between being down 7 points and being down 8 points (if you miss the 2-point conversion). Note that this is backed up by the numbers but should also be apparent intuitively.?
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Why Pat Shurmur made the right call on Giants? failed 2-point try vs. Falcons
The result wasn?t favorable, but Pat Shurmur made the right call in going for the two-point conversion late against the Falcons.By James Brady@JamesBradySBN Updated Oct 23, 2018, 8:11am EDT
gainst the Atlanta Falcons on Monday Night Football, New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur made a controversial call ... that shouldn?t be considered controversial at all. In the fourth quarter, Shurmur and the Giants went for a two-point conversion after scoring a touchdown when his team trailed by 14 points.
The attempt was a pass to Odell Beckham Jr., who was open enough to throw to, but the defender managed to get in and break it up at the last moment:
The two-point conversion failed, and plenty of people ? especially the Monday Night Football broadcast crew ? piled on Shurmur for the decision:
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I?ll say it again to hell with analytics when ur defense is busting their ass to keep u in the game and U score and u go for 2 because of %?s Bad coaching decision by Pat Shurmur.
11:59 PM - Oct 22, 2018
Others, though, pointed out exactly why it makes sense to go for two in that situation. You can reach this conclusion through a mystical art form known as ?basic mathematics.?
Just a couple weeks ago, people were talking about Doug Pederson?s smart move by going for two against the Vikings. From that same decision, Football Perspective gave us some ... perspective on the matter.
Football Perspective
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Math is simple here. The move works 50% of the time, is neutral 25% (miss, then make) and backfires 25% of the time (miss, miss).
Football Perspective
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Doug Pederson brilliantly chooses to go for two. Coaches should always always always go for two if, when down 14, they score a TD in the 4th quarter.
?We?ve discussed, internally, the math on that,? Shurmur said after the game. ?You increase your chances by 50 percent if you go for it and make it there. ... Because then if we score a touchdown, we just kick the extra point and win.?
?I felt like we had a good play. I liked our two-point play selections, and we just didn?t quite get it done.?
On the next drive, the Falcons gambled on a 56-yard field goal attempt by new kicker Giorgio Tavecchio. It paid off, making it a 23-12 game. If they hadn?t tried the field goal ? or missed instead ? the Giants would have had a chance to tie.
?But at the end there, you saw, had they not kicked the field goal, I felt good about our second two-point play, which we scored on,? Shurmur said.
The Giants scored a touchdown on their next drive and converted their second two-point conversion attempt, when they handed it to Saquon Barkley to make it a three-point game:
This is all on top of the fact that the NFL is trending more and more toward high-powered offenses as the rules change.
?I felt like I wanted to be aggressive for our guys,? Shurmur said.
Odell Beckham agreed with the decision. ?I like the call. I love being aggressive,? he said after the game. ?I don?t know if I could be a coach. I?m going for it on fourth. We?re going for 2. That?s why I?m not a coach. I?m always going to ride with him. I just wish I could have come up with it?
The Giants wound up losing Monday?s game, 23-20. Despite the late touchdown and two-point conversion, they had just five seconds on the clock while trailing by three points. They then failed to convert the onside kick.
But make no mistake, they didn?t lose because Shurmur tried to go for two.
The result wasn?t favorable, but Pat Shurmur made the right call in going for the two-point conversion late against the Falcons.By James Brady@JamesBradySBN Updated Oct 23, 2018, 8:11am EDT
gainst the Atlanta Falcons on Monday Night Football, New York Giants head coach Pat Shurmur made a controversial call ... that shouldn?t be considered controversial at all. In the fourth quarter, Shurmur and the Giants went for a two-point conversion after scoring a touchdown when his team trailed by 14 points.
The attempt was a pass to Odell Beckham Jr., who was open enough to throw to, but the defender managed to get in and break it up at the last moment:
The two-point conversion failed, and plenty of people ? especially the Monday Night Football broadcast crew ? piled on Shurmur for the decision:
Booger
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@ESPNBooger
I?ll say it again to hell with analytics when ur defense is busting their ass to keep u in the game and U score and u go for 2 because of %?s Bad coaching decision by Pat Shurmur.
11:59 PM - Oct 22, 2018
Others, though, pointed out exactly why it makes sense to go for two in that situation. You can reach this conclusion through a mystical art form known as ?basic mathematics.?
Just a couple weeks ago, people were talking about Doug Pederson?s smart move by going for two against the Vikings. From that same decision, Football Perspective gave us some ... perspective on the matter.
Football Perspective
@fbgchase
Math is simple here. The move works 50% of the time, is neutral 25% (miss, then make) and backfires 25% of the time (miss, miss).
Football Perspective
@fbgchase
Doug Pederson brilliantly chooses to go for two. Coaches should always always always go for two if, when down 14, they score a TD in the 4th quarter.
?We?ve discussed, internally, the math on that,? Shurmur said after the game. ?You increase your chances by 50 percent if you go for it and make it there. ... Because then if we score a touchdown, we just kick the extra point and win.?
?I felt like we had a good play. I liked our two-point play selections, and we just didn?t quite get it done.?
On the next drive, the Falcons gambled on a 56-yard field goal attempt by new kicker Giorgio Tavecchio. It paid off, making it a 23-12 game. If they hadn?t tried the field goal ? or missed instead ? the Giants would have had a chance to tie.
?But at the end there, you saw, had they not kicked the field goal, I felt good about our second two-point play, which we scored on,? Shurmur said.
The Giants scored a touchdown on their next drive and converted their second two-point conversion attempt, when they handed it to Saquon Barkley to make it a three-point game:
This is all on top of the fact that the NFL is trending more and more toward high-powered offenses as the rules change.
?I felt like I wanted to be aggressive for our guys,? Shurmur said.
Odell Beckham agreed with the decision. ?I like the call. I love being aggressive,? he said after the game. ?I don?t know if I could be a coach. I?m going for it on fourth. We?re going for 2. That?s why I?m not a coach. I?m always going to ride with him. I just wish I could have come up with it?
The Giants wound up losing Monday?s game, 23-20. Despite the late touchdown and two-point conversion, they had just five seconds on the clock while trailing by three points. They then failed to convert the onside kick.
But make no mistake, they didn?t lose because Shurmur tried to go for two.
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sharp post :0074
maybe right decision by numbers ..
though I agree with
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I would say eli trying a qb sneak twice with 0 timeouts and under a minute to play was even worse coaching
I think going for 2 and missing demoralizes your defense and uplifts the opponent's offense. They can play a lot looser knowing the other team's offense must score twice to tie the game........ I base this on watching games after a team misses a kicked extra point to fall behind 4 instead of 3 or 8 instead of 7 late in a game. It just seems like a team lets down. Just a visual opinion thru the years.......I guess we will soon see what the verdict is on this if gets repeated and how often. :0008
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why Shurmur isn't thinking damn.....we have cut it to a score and a PAT from tying it up after stinking up the joint is beyond me.
That team has been a drowning fish for two seasons and a new coach doesn't reward his defenses efforts by bring the scoreboard to -7.
Bad move.......50-50 numbers be damned...
