Count Me Out - The Obama Craze
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Wayne: The value of the US dollar is now less than that of the Canadien dollar.....in that respect, I think I'm much worse off. (Take a minute to think about the impact of all your money now worth a whole lot less.) It is directly tied to your guy cutting taxes and spending money we don't have on a war we never should have been in. I don't want Obama, but I'll vote for whoever wins the Democratic nomination, just so we can start getting back on the right track.
On Carter and Bush /historians
Aside from double diget inflation and unemployment and prime rate above 20% (no typo) we'll sum it up with wikipedia misery index--no one comes remotely close to carter--in fact you might want to compare your eco hero Billy bob
link works better than vcut and paste--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index_(economics)
Data Sources
The data for the misery index is obtained from unemployment data obtained from the U.S. Department of Labor and Inflation Rate from Financial Trend Forecaster?. The exact methods used for measuring unemployment and inflation have changed over time.
Hmm link won't work--heres cut and paste--
Misery Index - Era by U.S president
Index = Unemployment rate + Inflation rate Rank President Time Period Index Average Low High
5 Harry Truman 1948 - 1952 7.87 1952-12 = 3.45 1948-01 = 13.63
1 Dwight Eisenhower 1953 - 1960 6.26 1953-07 = 2.97 1958-04 = 10.98
3 John F. Kennedy 1961 - 1962 7.27 1962-07 = 6.40 1961-07 = 8.38
2 Lyndon Johnson 1963 - 1968 6.78 1965-11 = 5.70 1968-07 = 8.19
7 Richard Nixon 1969 - 1973 9.98 1968-01 = 7.80 1973-12 = 13.61
10 Gerald Ford 1974 - 1976 15.93 1976-12 = 12.66 1975-01 = 19.90
11 Jimmy Carter 1977 - 1980 16.27 1978-04 = 12.60 1980-06 = 21.98
9 Ronald Reagan 1981 - 1988 12.19 1986-12 = 7.70 1981-09 = 19.33
8 George H.W. Bush 1989 - 1992 10.68 1989-09 = 9.64 1990-11 = 12.47
4 William J. Clinton 1993 - 2000 7.80 1998-04 = 5.74 1993-01 = 10.56
6 George W. Bush 2001 - 2005 7.98 2002-01 = 6.64 2005-09 = 9.97
--for future reference--impeachbush.org-moveon.org-dailykos--are not as you stated--
"every point I made is obvious, to historians and working Americans"
--obvious--only to the oblivious
Aside from double diget inflation and unemployment and prime rate above 20% (no typo) we'll sum it up with wikipedia misery index--no one comes remotely close to carter--in fact you might want to compare your eco hero Billy bob
link works better than vcut and paste--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index_(economics)
Data Sources
The data for the misery index is obtained from unemployment data obtained from the U.S. Department of Labor and Inflation Rate from Financial Trend Forecaster?. The exact methods used for measuring unemployment and inflation have changed over time.
Hmm link won't work--heres cut and paste--
Misery Index - Era by U.S president
Index = Unemployment rate + Inflation rate Rank President Time Period Index Average Low High
5 Harry Truman 1948 - 1952 7.87 1952-12 = 3.45 1948-01 = 13.63
1 Dwight Eisenhower 1953 - 1960 6.26 1953-07 = 2.97 1958-04 = 10.98
3 John F. Kennedy 1961 - 1962 7.27 1962-07 = 6.40 1961-07 = 8.38
2 Lyndon Johnson 1963 - 1968 6.78 1965-11 = 5.70 1968-07 = 8.19
7 Richard Nixon 1969 - 1973 9.98 1968-01 = 7.80 1973-12 = 13.61
10 Gerald Ford 1974 - 1976 15.93 1976-12 = 12.66 1975-01 = 19.90
11 Jimmy Carter 1977 - 1980 16.27 1978-04 = 12.60 1980-06 = 21.98
9 Ronald Reagan 1981 - 1988 12.19 1986-12 = 7.70 1981-09 = 19.33
8 George H.W. Bush 1989 - 1992 10.68 1989-09 = 9.64 1990-11 = 12.47
4 William J. Clinton 1993 - 2000 7.80 1998-04 = 5.74 1993-01 = 10.56
6 George W. Bush 2001 - 2005 7.98 2002-01 = 6.64 2005-09 = 9.97
--for future reference--impeachbush.org-moveon.org-dailykos--are not as you stated--
"every point I made is obvious, to historians and working Americans"
--obvious--only to the oblivious
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On Carter and Bush /historians
Aside from double diget inflation and unemployment and prime rate above 20% (no typo) we'll sum it up with wikipedia misery index--no one comes remotely close to carter--in fact you might want to compare your eco hero Billy bob
link works better than vcut and paste--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index_(economics)
Data Sources
The data for the misery index is obtained from unemployment data obtained from the U.S. Department of Labor and Inflation Rate from Financial Trend Forecaster?. The exact methods used for measuring unemployment and inflation have changed over time.
Hmm link won't work--heres cut and paste--
Misery Index - Era by U.S president
Index = Unemployment rate + Inflation rate Rank President Time Period Index Average Low High
5 Harry Truman 1948 - 1952 7.87 1952-12 = 3.45 1948-01 = 13.63
1 Dwight Eisenhower 1953 - 1960 6.26 1953-07 = 2.97 1958-04 = 10.98
3 John F. Kennedy 1961 - 1962 7.27 1962-07 = 6.40 1961-07 = 8.38
2 Lyndon Johnson 1963 - 1968 6.78 1965-11 = 5.70 1968-07 = 8.19
7 Richard Nixon 1969 - 1973 9.98 1968-01 = 7.80 1973-12 = 13.61
10 Gerald Ford 1974 - 1976 15.93 1976-12 = 12.66 1975-01 = 19.90
11 Jimmy Carter 1977 - 1980 16.27 1978-04 = 12.60 1980-06 = 21.98
9 Ronald Reagan 1981 - 1988 12.19 1986-12 = 7.70 1981-09 = 19.33
8 George H.W. Bush 1989 - 1992 10.68 1989-09 = 9.64 1990-11 = 12.47
4 William J. Clinton 1993 - 2000 7.80 1998-04 = 5.74 1993-01 = 10.56
6 George W. Bush 2001 - 2005 7.98 2002-01 = 6.64 2005-09 = 9.97
--for future reference--impeachbush.org-moveon.org-dailykos--are not as you stated--
"every point I made is obvious, to historians and working Americans"
--obvious--only to the oblivious
Lots of good facts, Wayne. What was the point?
that pretty much sums up my feelings. it is a ****ing shame that so many people liberal/conservative all feel the same. i have never voted demo, but i truly regret the last 4yrs of bush. the first 4 were not too bad, but the last 4 are unbearable. the national defecit is growing by the day and we continue to waste billions of dollars in a damn sandbox...............................
43 for sure. He's very popular and emits less misery. We just need to allow him to go for a 3rd term. He should win rather handily since he carries such a low misery index reading. It's like having a really good RPI when you are a bubble team.
Point was in rebuttle to opinions vs objectivity Bobby--
While having diff points of view is healthy--I was just curious what some are basing their opinions on--and when they continue to have no answers time after time I believe the trend should be noted.
--also believe those that try to rewrite history with more even absurb opinions need to be called on it.
IMO The obama thunder has been based soley on same criteria that brings countless weight loss products on market every year.
Promises of hope for magic solution--which those that buy in never get--Personally I prefer the tell it like it is-reality pitch--quit eating and exercise more.
One method involves someone else fixing your prob--the other- you being responsible for change.
Personally I believe any substantial hope and change comes from within-not transfered by others--and those selling the hope and change are generally the only ones to profit.
Hope is better then Fear. They the Macks and Bush's of the country have worked the fear so hard they finally screwed the economy up. It looks like we need a Dem in WH to help stock market. I don't know why they average 9% vs 6% for Reb's per year but right now I'll take that. Maybe somehow they can get gas back to 2.50. Funny how Chenney and Bush two oil guys can't come up with energy plan that works. Other then huge proffits for big oil. I have admitted being a whore and owning those socks. Dam good thing I did rest of market other then China & Brazil is still way behind 2000. Our dollar is way to low.
here is a fact for you DTB, we are in debt 9+ trillion dollars and have witnessed the largest increase in government spending since LBJ. The dollar is at a historic low and we are more dependent on foreign capital then at any point in our history. And while we are stuck in a quagmire in the middle east, the guy responsible for 9/11 is still free to build his terrorist network. Bush backing wackjobs only comprise 19% of the population, thank god. He is the most unpopular president in the history of the country, another FACT for you.
Do you apply this logic to the selling of Iraq War to the public and subsequent profiting off of war by same people doing the selling? I mean, these are YOUR words - do they only work one way?
alla Carter who danced (they lead)with Iranian students for 444 days -Reagan steps in one day and their buying prisonors gifts and sending them home.
Will post again, as sensible a retort as the premise of your post on Carter/Hostages Reagan:
Could it have anything to do with the arms and spare parts that immediately went to Iran (the country we are now having so many problems with) thanks to unpublicized meetings between Reagan/Bush representatives and George Bush himself? Or the stopping of sanctions and the unfreezing of Iranian assets?
Did you ever wonder if American' lives were kept in their hostage situation for political gain for Reagan? I mean it makes just as much sense that the arms to Iran were as big a part of the release of the hostages as any kind of forboding of a Reagan administration.
I mean there is no reason to think there could be any kind of problematic arms deal like the Iran-Contra situation to gain the release of those hostages, is there?
Sure...it's ONLY because they were scared of Ronnie's stare...
Ronnie REALLY intimidated Iran after Irans terror arm in Beirut, Hezzbollah, blew up 241 Marines.
Cut and run Ronnie- kurby
Cut and run Ronnie- kurby
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You and I both know it's the black Irish that are the danger. Those black mick bastids are going to be the dark horsemen of the Apocalypse.
And they are socialists too.
here is a fact for you DTB, we are in debt 9+ trillion dollars and have witnessed the largest increase in government spending since LBJ. The dollar is at a historic low and we are more dependent on foreign capital then at any point in our history. And while we are stuck in a quagmire in the middle east, the guy responsible for 9/11 is still free to build his terrorist network. Bush backing wackjobs only comprise 19% of the population, thank god. He is the most unpopular president in the history of the country, another FACT for you
--at some point in your and Brantz life your going to have to come to realization that moveon/DailyKos opinion is not fact-nor or they historians-
--the fact is you all were saying that after his 1st term--and we the people re-elected him AGAIN--
DJV on your hope is better than fear--that would depend--what did billys hope that if he ignored it-it might go away get us.
--on flip you--which side in election do you think the terrorist fear and which party do you think they hope gets in power.
Should have seen that one coming. It's been at least a dozen posts since DTB called on this reliable standby.--on flip you--which side in election do you think the terrorist fear and which party do you think they hope gets in power.
You are worse than a bad classic rock station. Playlist of about 5 points, "facts", etc that just get more and more stale each time you play them.
