COWARDS GIVE UP ON GIS - & GIVE IN TO EVIL
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take it easy now , was just kidding
have alot of democrat friends in the philly area , man it was not for them , i would be in jail:00hour
Hmm See lots of rebuttles but haven't been able to see what they disagree with--
is it the theme of article?--
"The vote was a huge morale booster for al Qaeda, for Iraq's Sunni insurgents, and for the worst of the Shia militias."
Who will be the 1st liberal or dem to step forward and dispute-- the above did not have or enemies doing --:00hour
and our troops and allies--:nooo:
If none- I have to assume Author has valid point:shrug:
is it the theme of article?--
"The vote was a huge morale booster for al Qaeda, for Iraq's Sunni insurgents, and for the worst of the Shia militias."
Who will be the 1st liberal or dem to step forward and dispute-- the above did not have or enemies doing --:00hour
and our troops and allies--:nooo:
If none- I have to assume Author has valid point:shrug:
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Sending Our men into a war ,with the plan they had or did not have is not only treason but criminal. I have said it hear for 3 yrs and nothing has changed, we can not win a ground war in Iraq, end of story. We had them contained with our AF. Why would this administration level the playing field for our enemy ? The execution of this war has been insane, treasonous and criminal.
Somethings can't be done. GW went to AA, he should know this : God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Maybe he should go see the wizard and get some wisdom and courage.
I have seen no proof that supports the article. Who will be the first to step up and post with proof?
Which quotes would you like me to put up to prove --statement in article--the one ones from UBL?-Abu Musab al-Zarqawi? are others from terrorist websites?
Why is it you and liberals in general always chirping but have no answers--I'm still waiting for your 5 people out of entire military/Politicians on other question.
You are mirror image of liberal politicians/blogs
Can whine and throw out opinions but have 0answers to anything.
Now step up for your comrades and tell us why you think statement could remotely be incorrect and how UBL/ Abu Musab al-Zarqawi/terrorist in general/ didn't have our liberal element qauged to perfection--don't give them too much credit though--you've always been quite easy to read--
Why is it you and liberals in general always chirping but have no answers--I'm still waiting for your 5 people out of entire military/Politicians on other question.
You are mirror image of liberal politicians/blogs
Can whine and throw out opinions but have 0answers to anything.
Now step up for your comrades and tell us why you think statement could remotely be incorrect and how UBL/ Abu Musab al-Zarqawi/terrorist in general/ didn't have our liberal element qauged to perfection--don't give them too much credit though--you've always been quite easy to read--
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The Plan is Leave because The Repubs don't know what the phuck they are doing
The Plan is Leave because The Repubs don't know what the phuck they are doing
What's more important then this dragged out war profiteering by these charlatans is that the republicans failed to prove BUBBA got a BJ.
Even when the republicans were wasting tons of money and trying to give monica's dress the sniff test.
Here's the plan you neocons are looking for, it's time to get out of something you can't obviously handle. You guys totally phucked this war up.
And you neocons can't certainly handle Bubba's BJ.:142smilie
The Plan is Leave because The Repubs don't know what the phuck they are doing
What's more important then this dragged out war profiteering by these charlatans is that the republicans failed to prove BUBBA got a BJ.
Even when the republicans were wasting tons of money and trying to give monica's dress the sniff test.
Here's the plan you neocons are looking for, it's time to get out of something you can't obviously handle. You guys totally phucked this war up.
And you neocons can't certainly handle Bubba's BJ.:142smilie
the joint chiefs spoke out AGAINST SURGE
general Casey spoke out AGAINST SURGE
Colin Powell spoke out AGAINST SURGE
Howard/Baker spoke out AGAINST SURGE
voters in Nov spoke out AGAINST SURGE
YET Bush pushes along just as stubborn as when he threatened to veto the vote against giving our UNITED STATES OF AMERICA PORTS TO THE TERRORISTS THEMSELVES.
general Casey spoke out AGAINST SURGE
Colin Powell spoke out AGAINST SURGE
Howard/Baker spoke out AGAINST SURGE
voters in Nov spoke out AGAINST SURGE
YET Bush pushes along just as stubborn as when he threatened to veto the vote against giving our UNITED STATES OF AMERICA PORTS TO THE TERRORISTS THEMSELVES.
Basically what's happening here is the very same people who gloated in 2004 and bragged about political capital and put down the democrats are now NOT winning the hearts and minds at home and democracy has been bitch-slapping them for 2 months. Rather than take it like an adult, these big babies are whining and accusing the other side of aiding the enemy and capitulating to evil and all those other stupid garbage catchphrases.
Stop whining and accept responsibility for a strategically flawed war. Don't blame half of America for your failures - that's infantile and quite frankly you are embarrassing yourselves. The hard right Bush supporters are acting like a bunch of bitches right now who wanna take their ball home because they no longer get every little thing they want.
Stop whining and accept responsibility for a strategically flawed war. Don't blame half of America for your failures - that's infantile and quite frankly you are embarrassing yourselves. The hard right Bush supporters are acting like a bunch of bitches right now who wanna take their ball home because they no longer get every little thing they want.
actually,if you`d read up on him,you`d realize that peters has become highly critical of the president and the war effort of late.........he`s a pretty straight shooter....
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Last gasps in Iraq:
""I supported this war, but the deteriorating situation is starting to convince me that we can’t win. Those of us who hoped that the Iraqis could achieve democracy were wrong — and their failure has implications for the entire region.
By Ralph Peters
On Tuesday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki obeyed Muqtada al-Sadr's command to withdraw U.S. troops from Baghdad's Sadr City. He halted a vital U.S. military operation. It was the third time in less than a month that al-Maliki had sided with the anti-American cleric against our forces.
(Illustration by Adrienne Lewis, USA TODAY)
President Bush insists that we have no conflicts with the al-Maliki government. The president isn't telling the truth — or he himself doesn't support our military's efforts. He can't have it both ways. Bush appears increasingly desperate just to get through the upcoming elections.
I supported the removal of Saddam Hussein. I believed that Arabs deserved a chance to build a rule-of-law democracy in the Middle East. Based upon firsthand experience, I was convinced that the Middle East was so politically, socially, morally and intellectually stagnant that we had to risk intervention — or face generations of terrorism and tumult. I still believe that our removal of Hussein was a noble act.
I only wish the administration had done it competently.
Hope is dwindling
Iraq is failing. No honest observer can conclude otherwise. Even six months ago, there was hope. Now the chances for a democratic, unified Iraq are dwindling fast. The country's prime minister has thrown in his lot with al-Sadr, our mortal enemy. He has his eye on the future, and he's betting that we won't last. The police are less accountable than they were under Saddam. Our extensive investment in Iraqi law enforcement only produced death squads. Government ministers loot the country to strengthen their own factions. Even Iraq's elections — a worthy experiment — further divided Iraq along confessional and ethnic lines. Iraq still exists on the maps, but in reality it's gone. Only a military coup — which might come in the next few years — could hold the artificial country together.
This chaos wasn't inevitable. While in Iraq late last winter, I remained soberly hopeful. Since then, the strength of will of our opponents — their readiness to pay any price and go to any length to win — has eclipsed our own. The valor of our enemies never surpassed that of our troops, but it far exceeded the fair-weather courage of the Bush administration.
Yet, for all our errors, we did give the Iraqis a unique chance to build a rule-of-law democracy. They preferred to indulge in old hatreds, confessional violence, ethnic bigotry and a culture of corruption. It appears that the cynics were right: Arab societies can't support democracy as we know it. And people get the government they deserve.
For us, Iraq's impending failure is an embarrassment. For the Iraqis — and other Arabs — it's a disaster the dimensions of which they do not yet comprehend. They're gleeful at the prospect of America's humiliation. But it's their tragedy, not ours.
Iraq was the Arab world's last chance to board the train to modernity, to give the region a future, not just a bitter past. The violence staining Baghdad's streets with gore isn't only a symptom of the Iraqi government's incompetence, but of the comprehensive inability of the Arab world to progress in any sphere of organized human endeavor. We are witnessing the collapse of a civilization. All those who rooted for Iraq to fail are going to be chastened by what follows.
Iraq still deserves one last chance — as long as we don't confuse deadly stubbornness and perseverance. If, at this late hour, Iraqis in decisive numbers prove willing to fight for their own freedom and a constitutional government, we should be willing to remain for a generation. If they continue to revel in fratricidal slaughter, we must leave.
Iraq not our Vietnam
And contrary to the prophets of doom, the United States wouldn't be weakened by our withdrawal, should it come to that. Iraq was never our Vietnam. It's al-Qaeda's Vietnam. They're the ones who can't leave and who can't win.
Islamist terrorists have chosen Iraq as their battleground and, even after our departure, it will continue to consume them. We'll still be the greatest power on earth, indispensable to other regional states — such as the Persian Gulf states and Saudi Arabia — that are terrified of Iran's growing might. If the Arab world and Iran embark on an orgy of bloodshed, the harsh truth is that we may be the beneficiaries.
My disillusionment with our Iraq endeavor began last summer, when I was invited to a high-level discussion with administration officials. I went into the meeting with one firm goal, to convince my hosts that they'd better have Plan B in case Iraq continued to disintegrate. I left the session convinced that the administration still didn't have Plan A, only a blur of meandering policies and blind hopes. After more than three years, it was still "An Evening at the Improv."
Then, last month, as Iraq's prime minister seconded al-Sadr's demand that our troops free a death-squad mastermind they had captured, I knew a fateful page had turned. A week later, al-Maliki forbade additional U.S. military raids in Sadr City, the radical mullah's Baghdad stronghold. On Tuesday, al-Maliki insisted that our troops remove roadblocks set up to help find a kidnapped U.S. soldier. Iraq's prime minister has made his choice. We're not it. It's time to face reality. Only Iraqis can save Iraq now — and they appear intent on destroying it. Apr?s nous, le deluge.
Iraq could have turned out differently. It didn't. And we must be honest about it. We owe that much to our troops. They don't face the mere forfeiture of a few congressional seats but the loss of their lives. Our military is now being employed for political purposes. It's unworthy of our nation."""
Ralph Peters is a member of USA TODAY's board of contributors and the author of 21 books. He is a retired U.S. Army officer.
sounds like a guy that calls `em like he sees `em to me.....`
OK - so pleazse tell me how a person can say this and then turn around and bash congress for voting against the surge? Makes NO SENSE whatsoever. He says we can't win, so why the hell would he want more troops? Why would he go on a partisan rant, slaming the dems for siding the enemy and helping evil - when he himself has just done that in his own words.
Doesn't sound like a straight shooter - sounds like a flip-flopping inconsistent one.
Maybe he has a twin brother. You would never be able to tell one person wrote both of those letters.
