COWARDS GIVE UP ON GIS - & GIVE IN TO EVIL

Pujo21

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STOP TRYING TO DIVERT>>>IT IS BUSH WHO MADE THIS MESS>........ YOU VOTED FOR THESE LIARS SO YOU ARE HAPPY WITH HIS SHELL GAMES AND EXCUSES ANND FLAVORS OF THE WEEK........


BUSH WILL CUT AND RUN..he will lie and tell you they are incurring success.You can already hear Cheney garbling this sheit.

BUSH WILL CUT AND RUN !
 

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Would agree Chad that they may not intentionaly support terrorism but quite obvious nearly 100% of their initiatives aid and abet terrorists/terrorisim.

I would be happy to be specific on areas including Iraq-Iran-NK-Al Queda- our troops--terrorist rights ects if you would like.

Heres the newest one Edwards just come up with yesterday--

Edwards: "Perhaps the Greatest Short-Term Threat to World Peace Is the Possibility That Israel Would Bomb Iran's Nuclear Facilities"

Ahmedinijad after hearing--:00hour
---and is there any wonder who he now supports for pres in 08 ???



I simply don't agree. I honestly don't think that your commentary is true. If you want to go into specifics, that's fine. I can go down that road. We're essentially arguing semantics and in my opinion, you are playing with words to make your points sound somehow more "right." I don't think that you have to do things the way conservatives/republicans have done it, or think should be done, to hinder terrorism. I could also continue to say this war has galvanized terrorists and brought them together, which has made things worse for us. Just because I say we should not have attacked Iraq, does not mean I am helping terrorists with my thinking. I just don't believe that. In many ways, we are weaker against terrorism, and less prepared to combat terrorism BECAUSE of our effort in Iraq.

As for Edwards quote...what's wrong with it? I happen to agree that an attack by Israel would probably threaten world peace about as much as anything that comes to mind quickly. I'm sure there are other things, like us attacking China or Russia, or some such thing. But considering that Israel has already hinted at such an attack, I'd say it's a realistic threat to world peace - as much as anything.
 

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such bullshit.

nothing the dems have said or done aids and abets terrorism as much as the invasion of iraq has done.

and why again do you even remotely care who ahmadenijad wants to win our elections?

The real problem is that in a certain sense, both sides are right. In our world the vote by the dem's would normally be a good thing. Bringing it to a vote and public debate is what SHOULD be done under our system. They are not trying to aid our enemies they are voicing their issues with how badly this war has been conducted and the belief that a troop surge is not the answer. Although, this being politics, you can also bet that this vote is being orchistrated to allow Clinton, Obama, McCain (Not sure what he voted) to get "on record" with a meaningless vote as being against an unpopular war before presidential debates get going. But to label them as traitors is beyond disgusting and truly pathetic. But at the same time, this vote does help our enemies. It will be jumped all over by AQ and others and shown as American weakness and lack of resolve. They will say the usual about how America can be defeated like in VN and Somolia. How the country is weak and can't take real sacrifice. It will embolden them to attack and help recruiting. If any were thinking of giving up, this will let give them hope that the tide is changing. Its a bitch being a democracy fighting an enemy who uses your freedoms against you.
 

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The real problem is that in a certain sense, both sides are right. In our world the vote by the dem's would normally be a good thing. Bringing it to a vote and public debate is what SHOULD be done under our system. They are not trying to aid our enemies they are voicing their issues with how badly this war has been conducted and the belief that a troop surge is not the answer. Although, this being politics, you can also bet that this vote is being orchistrated to allow Clinton, Obama, McCain (Not sure what he voted) to get "on record" with a meaningless vote as being against an unpopular war before presidential debates get going. But to label them as traitors is beyond disgusting and truly pathetic. But at the same time, this vote does help our enemies. It will be jumped all over by AQ and others and shown as American weakness and lack of resolve. They will say the usual about how America can be defeated like in VN and Somolia. How the country is weak and can't take real sacrifice. It will embolden them to attack and help recruiting. If any were thinking of giving up, this will let give them hope that the tide is changing. Its a bitch being a democracy fighting an enemy who uses your freedoms against you.

flapjack...

very good post...
 

gardenweasel

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How can anyone be in favor of any war decisions when this present administration doesn't have a clue ?? They are idiots.

Despite the fact that Hillary said something...or Bubba got a BJ...this mess was caused by bush.

This is a failed plan by the republicans...but the nation is not surprised ! Bush The Republican SCREWED this up so bad......

AND YET there are those grasping at straws in this forum trying to feebly blame dems, expounding vacant thought and babbling insanities....and then what happens when 20,000 more troops go in and 5,000 more get killed in something that can never succeed because of the total incompetance of Bush.

Then who are you Republican geniuses going to blame......


BUSH DID THIS, not hillary..not the dems.


couldn`t find your way out of the closet with your hand on the doorknob....

i would be with you if the biggest fantasies were only coming from the right....however, the left and the msm were just as wrong about iraq as bush appears to be regarding wmd`s...

go back and check the quotes...and check the votes...
i still believe he had wmd programs..and had plenty of time to dispose of,move or hide them.... but,that`s not the point....

you wanna assign blame?....think about oil-for-food.... the u.n. program that was supposed help iraq pay for food and medicine for the women and children who were suffering from the impoverishment by u.n. sanctions since the war ended.....while denying hussein...

hussein tolerated these sanctions, even though he supposedly had no wmd`s.....why did he do that? ....why go through all the economic problems from not accommodating the u.n?..jeopardize his regime.....nobody was asking him to step down....just throw open the doors and account for what they already knew he had.......ala south africa.....they turned in their nukes and changed their regime....

has anyone ever written a story about this?...is there a single journalist who cared?

you wonder why the u.n. handled iraq with kid gloves?...when a united front would have precluded any war?....was the u.n. on the take?....or was it just supremely incompetent? .....


we now know that the program turned out to be a stupendous fraud that lined the pockets of hussein and some 700 companies doing business with our various "allies", whose governments btw were criticizing the u.s. for invading for oil and money....it's in that volcker report you can google......irony? ......the u.n. didn't even seem to know who should be overseeing the program!....corruption, fraud and mismangement....

incompetent,yes...but,the motive was greed....


'it`s really ironic that the left and msm played up the u.n. as the more moral alternative to the u.s. and bush's way.......they say the sanctions were working and that iraq was being successfully contained.....

bullshit... we have over a hundred thousand troops in iraq and can`t keep weapons and terrorists out....you have to be a moron to believe that iraq was being contained....he was still building palaces and god knows what else while children were dying.....

i would go out on a limb to guess that at least the grim milestone of 3000 children died in iraq during those 12 years, thanks to saddam....and it wasn't due to their lack of education....

finally, the left love to claim that bush changed his explanation for why we invaded: from toppling a tyrant with wmd`s to sowing a democracy......

it`s all of the above..the broken u.n. resolutions.....the object lesson of kuwait...(don`t pooh pooh kuwait until you read up on the havoc that saddam perpetrated there).....and what may have happened had he possessed wmd`s when he invaded....

and yes,that means it`s about the oil..and not letting one barbaric leader...or in iran`s case,a barbaric ideology control the civilized world`s economy by obtaining wmd`s having a wedge with which to blackmail the west......and about israel and the democracy`s continued existence....
 

gardenweasel

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How can anyone be in favor of any war decisions when this present administration doesn't have a clue ?? They are idiots.

Despite the fact that Hillary said something...or Bubba got a BJ...this mess was caused by bush.

This is a failed plan by the republicans...but the nation is not surprised ! Bush The Republican SCREWED this up so bad......

AND YET there are those grasping at straws in this forum trying to feebly blame dems, expounding vacant thought and babbling insanities....and then what happens when 20,000 more troops go in and 5,000 more get killed in something that can never succeed because of the total incompetance of Bush.

Then who are you Republican geniuses going to blame......


BUSH DID THIS, not hillary..not the dems.


couldn`t find your way out of the closet with your hand on the doorknob....

i would be with you if the biggest fantasies were only coming from the right....however, the left and the msm were just as wrong about iraq as bush appears to be regarding wmd`s...

go back and check the quotes...and check the votes...
i still believe he had wmd programs..and had plenty of time to dispose of,move or hide them.... but,that`s not the point....

you wanna assign blame?....think about oil-for-food.... the u.n. program that was supposed help iraq pay for food and medicine for the women and children who were suffering from the impoverishment by u.n. sanctions since the war ended.....while denying hussein...

hussein tolerated these sanctions, even though he supposedly had no wmd`s.....why did he do that? ....why go through all the economic problems from not accommodating the u.n?..jeopardize his regime.....nobody was asking him to step down....just throw open the doors and account for what they already knew he had.......ala south africa.....they turned in their nukes and changed their regime....

has anyone ever written a story about this?...is there a single journalist who cared?

you wonder why the u.n. handled iraq with kid gloves?...when a united front would have precluded any war?....was the u.n. on the take?....or was it just supremely incompetent? .....


we now know that the program turned out to be a stupendous fraud that lined the pockets of hussein and some 700 companies doing business with our various "allies", whose governments btw were criticizing the u.s. for invading for oil and money....it's in that volcker report you can google......irony? ......the u.n. didn't even seem to know who should be overseeing the program!....corruption, fraud and mismangement....

incompetent,yes...but,the motive was greed....


'it`s really ironic that the left and msm played up the u.n. as the more moral alternative to the u.s. and bush's way.......they say the sanctions were working and that iraq was being successfully contained.....

bullshit... we have over a hundred thousand troops in iraq and can`t keep weapons and terrorists out....you have to be a moron to believe that iraq was being contained....he was still building palaces and god knows what else while children were dying.....

i would go out on a limb to guess that at least the grim milestone of 3000 children died in iraq during those 12 years, thanks to saddam....and it wasn't due to their lack of education....

finally, the left love to claim that bush changed his explanation for why we invaded: from toppling a tyrant with wmd`s to sowing a democracy......

it`s all of the above..the broken u.n. resolutions.....the object lesson of kuwait...(don`t pooh pooh kuwait until you read up on the havoc that saddam perpetrated there).....and what may have happened had he possessed wmd`s when he invaded....

and yes,that means it`s about the oil..and not letting one barbaric leader...or in iran`s case,a barbaric ideology control the civilized world`s economy by obtaining wmd`s having a wedge with which to blackmail the west......and about israel and the democracy`s continued existence....
 
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Plenty to argue about in your post, I'll just mention one part of it for starters. Can't believe you go down this road, but glad to walk on it with you:

"we now know that the program turned out to be a stupendous fraud that lined the pockets of hussein and some 700 companies doing business with our various "allies", whose governments btw were criticizing the u.s. for invading for oil and money....it's in that volcker report you can google......irony? ......the u.n. didn't even seem to know who should be overseeing the program!....corruption, fraud and mismangement...."

Let me see, does any other group come to mind in participating in and sponsoring these things in Iraq? Lining the pockets of business allies? The government who didn't know who should be overseeing the program (money spent)...corruption, fraud and mismanagement?

Can you say the Bush administration, Halliburton, Carlyle Group, etc., etc., etc? Can you say Dick Cheney? Can you say relatives of George Bush? The same people who are criticizing the U.N. and Saddam for being on the take?

My GOD man...sometimes you amaze me, even at this point. I guess we should now authorize the storming of the White House and Pentagon...if we are going to rid the world of bad guys, right? I'm guessing that these things are not that big a deal to you, for some reason, but you invited us in. Ironic, to say the least.
 

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Weasie.. Now it's oil for food is the culprit !
Somewhat, this was one of Bush's scams that he harped on pre- invasion.

You are grasping at straws to affix blame.

How many REPUBS here think this war is the blame of someone else other than Bush/cheney?


Congress is now moving to remove Bush's war powers because they realise they are dealing with an incompetant war profiteer.
 
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