Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers

[Skulnik]

Grandpa is lucky those were a couple of punk kids and not hardened criminals or he would be a dead man and may have caused the deaths of many others in that cafe.

I know I am probably in the minority, but I think what he did was foolish and it could be argued that when he shot them as they were leaving he was not within his rights of self protection and instead was taking the law into his own hands. I know I don't want some vigilantly nut job trying to protect me and my kids at a bank and escalating the situation.

Again, if these two punks were hardened criminals he would have been dead and probably others at that point, as once you kill one person during a crime the more you kill does not matter.

You have to be kidding, right?

:facepalm:

 

[Skulnik]

awful lot of supposition there ,bub,,,...looked to me like one dude was carrying...and there was nothing to stop him from turning around and shooting someone....i always thought it would be smart to keep firing ubntil the threat was disabled or eliminated...you can sort it out later...

and while we`re fanatasizing,how do you know that they wouldn`t have shot or used the baseball bat on someone in the cafe?....you`d rather leave your welfare in the hands of those punks?....maybe hopped up on crack or something worse?....

you can lay down and stick your ass in the air..grandpop had other ideas....

i wouldn`t be surprised if he was a veteran...

:0074

 

[greggraffin]

and then again,people are irrational so you can never be sure what their true intent and limits are....throw in the potential that they might have been hopped up on something(not a stretch),and you have no way of knowing how this scenario plays out......

i`m guessing that the hero felt as though he had to respond to their threat capacity rather than what you *think* they might do....

everybody can sit in their ivory tower and say that the old guy rolled the dice on the life of everybody in that cafe... and you can say the same may have been the case if he hadn`t acted...

what we do know is that it ended well...the guy shouldn`t have to buy another drink for the rest of his life,imo....

moral?...never interupt gramps when he`s winning at video poker....:rimshot

i`m hitting the road...solid discussion,my brothers....:toast:

i definitely see your viewpoint,though i don't agree with it, it's a very valid argument

 

[Skulnik]

Oct 16, 1991:
Twenty-three diners massacred at Texas restaurant


George Jo Hennard drives his truck through a window in Luby?s Cafeteria in Kileen, Texas, and then opens fire on a lunch crowd of over 100 people, killing 23 and injuring 20 more. Hennard then turned the gun on himself and committed suicide. The incident was one of the deadliest shootings in U.S. history.

The rampage at the Central Texas restaurant began at approximately 12:45 p.m. and lasted about 15 minutes. Witnesses reported that the 35-year-old gunman moved methodically through the large crowd, shooting people randomly and reloading his weapon several times. Hennard, of nearby Belton, Texas, was shot several times by police before he committed suicide. No clear motive for his actions was ever determined.

In the aftermath of the Luby?s massacre, Killeen residents urged officials at Luby?s corporate headquarters to let the restaurant re-open so people wouldn?t lose their jobs. Five months after the shootings, the cafeteria was back in business and stayed open for nine more years before permanently shutting its doors in September 2000. Another outcome of the Luby?s massacre was that in 1995 the Texas legislature passed a law allowing residents with gun permits to carry concealed weapons. Suzanna Gratia Hupp, who was at Luby?s with her parents on the day of the massacre and watched as they were murdered, was instrumental in getting the law passed. Hupp had a handgun with her that day, but left it in her car to comply with the law that forbid people from carrying concealed firearms.

 

[greggraffin]

in that situation skul, where they open fire first, im all for taking the bastards out, but my point is don't escalate something that hasn't happened

 

[fatdaddycool]

in that situation skul, where they open fire first, im all for taking the bastards out, but my point is don't escalate something that hasn't happened

What if they didn't miss, what would your reaction then be, other than to die of course. Actually, that would be your only option. Once a weapon is drawn wouldn't it just make sense that the intention is to use it? If you take a condom out of the package chances are you are going to use it. Once drawn there is no escalation process, someone has drawn down on your ass with ill intent. Time to unload. Shit doesn't happen like it does in a Bruce Willis movie. I guarantee you that nobody on here knows one single individual that has diffused and armed robbery by wrestling the gun out of the offenders hand, or thrown coffee in his face and then took the gun or did some Chuck Norris shit. That, my friend, is simply and completely unrealistic. You take enough rounds, you wouldn't think like that. If you were in that position, I think the experience would change your view pretty readily.

 

[greggraffin]

based on how these scared punks left after the man opened fire on them, it seems they had no intention of ever using their weapon...i dont know stats, and just guessing, that people who come to rob would prefer never to randomly discharge their weapon, and if i was a patron in a store, i wouldn't give them reason to...in skuls example, the guy was crazy to begin with and predetermined to take people out, in which im all for taking him out first

 

[fatdaddycool]

based on how these scared punks left after the man opened fire on them, it seems they had no intention of ever using their weapon...i dont know stats, and just guessing, that people who come to rob would prefer never to randomly discharge their weapon, and if i was a patron in a store, i wouldn't give them reason to...in skuls example, the guy was crazy to begin with and predetermined to take people out, in which im all for taking him out first

My question to you is this then. How would you know the intruder's intent when he walks in brandishing a weapon? I would guess none of them are looking to randomly discharge but more selectively. Also, if they didn't intend to use it, why did they bring it. Brandishing it is using it don't you think? They certainly are hoping that you think they are willing to use it and are using it to scare you. That fright is borne out of getting shot not just having it pointed at you.

 

[kickserv]

How many Internet Cafe's in the world allow you to sit at a computer with a gun in your jacket?

At that Internet Cafe you can't bet legally on sports online, but you can have a gun in your jacket and read Madjacks.

Interesting.

 

[greggraffin]

My question to you is this then. How would you know the intruder's intent when he walks in brandishing a weapon? I would guess none of them are looking to randomly discharge but more selectively. Also, if they didn't intend to use it, why did they bring it. Brandishing it is using it don't you think? They certainly are hoping that you think they are willing to use it and are using it to scare you. That fright is borne out of getting shot not just having it pointed at you.

id rather have them just use it as a scare tactic when brandishing it then actually discharge it.. i think they have less of a chance of firing and hurting randoms if no one fired at them and would not want to give them a reason to start firing...id rather live with the few minutes of fear of being shot then to start an all out gun fight...but you're right, you can't tell who is going to fire or not, and like i said, if you feel the need to fire on them first i understand it

 

[fatdaddycool]

How many Internet Cafe's in the world allow you to sit at a computer with a gun in your jacket?

At that Internet Cafe you can't bet legally on sports online, but you can have a gun in your jacket and read Madjacks.

Interesting.

all of them. You aren't searched upon entry.

 

[fatdaddycool]

id rather have them just use it as a scare tactic when brandishing it then actually discharge it.. i think they have less of a chance of firing and hurting randoms if no one fired at them and would not want to give them a reason to start firing...id rather live with the few minutes of fear of being shot then to start an all out gun fight...but you're right, you can't tell who is going to fire or not, and like i said, if you feel the need to fire on them first i understand it

I guess what it all comes down to is what you are willing to leave to chance. My life is not something I prefer to leave in the hands of a criminal. Also, there are two different lines of thought here as well. A gunfight would only ensue if I were to be off target and at that range........let's just say that is highly unlikely, or if I allowed the target to get a line on me. While the Grandpa did fairly well he did make some errors. He was obviously nervous and did not follow the target to the ground and took his second hand off the weapon prior to ensuring that the threat was eliminated. Keep in mind a shoulder shot would have disarmed the first one. It is also not a very good idea to pursue a fleeing gunman. Take cover, maintain line of sight, follow the target with the weapon until no longer a threat.

I think that vigilante justice is a different subject. Firing upon someone that even remotely aims a weapon at me, is self defense. Don't bring a scare tactic to a gun fight....period. Or, don't rob shit either, just sayin.

 

[comfortable1]

If you carry concealed you have a wet dream for this moment. Who gives a fuck... cool vid:0074

 

[fatdaddycool]

If you carry concealed you have a wet dream for this moment. Who gives a fuck... cool vid:0074

It is a cool vid.

Comf1,
I think it is a drag that people have this perception that people carry a concealed weapon because the want to go out and kill someone, or break up a robbery. I carry concealed all the time and I have no desire whatsoever to be in the position that this man was.

I only carry it to prevent a child getting snatched or abused. I would only use it when I would be considered a hero because I saved kids or the elderly or something. You see I have to fit into somebody's pretty little stereotype, right?

Hope that helps,
FDC

 

[BuckwheatJWN]

Someone from FLORIDA can answer this, but I think these internet cafe's are some type of "grey" area mini casinos. I know I stopped in one last fall, and it's the impression I got. :0008

 

[comfortable1]

It is a cool vid.

Comf1,
I think it is a drag that people have this perception that people carry a concealed weapon because the want to go out and kill someone, or break up a robbery. I carry concealed all the time and I have no desire whatsoever to be in the position that this man was.

I only carry it to prevent a child getting snatched or abused. I would only use it when I would be considered a hero because I saved kids or the elderly or something. You see I have to fit into somebody's pretty little stereotype, right?

Hope that helps,
FDC

I don't think people (the vast majority anyway) that CC want to kill someone... I think it's legitimate to want to protect yourself and others and like you said ideally said opportunity would result in being considered a hero but that's secondary. I've got no problem with that... just don't fuck up. :0008

But people that CC do fantasize about this type of situation...

 

[The Joker]

I don't think people (the vast majority anyway) that CC want to kill someone... I think it's legitimate to want to protect yourself and others and like you said ideally said opportunity would result in being considered a hero but that's secondary. I've got no problem with that... just don't fuck up. :0008

But people that CC do fantasize about this type of situation...

This.

 

[fatdaddycool]

I don't think people (the vast majority anyway) that CC want to kill someone... I think it's legitimate to want to protect yourself and others and like you said ideally said opportunity would result in being considered a hero but that's secondary. I've got no problem with that... just don't fuck up. :0008

But people that CC do fantasize about this type of situation...

I was totally kidding about the hero thing. I really just want to shoot the shit out of some people.



I have been a victim of a violent crime and just so you know I did not pull my weapon at any time when that happened because the use of deadly force wasn't necessary to subdue my attackers. People are so conditioned to have everything fit into a nice little category so they can make sense of things and keep things easy I guess, but I have never once, not a single time ever, thought to myself.....I hope I get to shoot me some robbers today. Not once.

Besides comfy1, think about this for a second and I think this is a valid question.

Do you really think that you personally know enough people that have carry permits and their motivations to do so, to make a statement that they all want to get in a gun fight? How many have personally told you this? I know a ton of them and not one has ever said that to me.

 

[comfortable1]

I did not say people that CC want to get in a gunfight but rather they have absolutely fantasized about it. You will not convince me that people that CC have never fantasized about a scenario where they need to take out their weapon. It's inconceivable! People that CC should think about it so they're better mentally prepared.

 

[comfortable1]

My dad has CC permit and I own several weapons but I do not want to carry a weapon around. Got enough trouble keeping track of my keys, phone, wallet.