CYGX - TIDE - AMEP - which one?

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MadJack said:
watching F which is about to dip below 8.00 again. when it does i'm buying that back looking for a target of 8.50 within 1 month and get out with a quick profit for my 3rd time.


F FORD MOTOR CO
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Last [Tick] 7.97[ + ]
Change -0.11
% Change -1.36%

Bid 8.05
Bid Size 12
Ask 8.09
Ask Size 8
Open 8.09
Volume 53,200
Day High 8.16
Day Low 7.96
Previous Close 8.08
Prev. Close Date 02/27/2006
 

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Jack do you trade predominantly on margin or with your cash? Tougher margin requirements on those smaller companies I would assume
 

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s_dooley24 said:
F FORD MOTOR CO
Trade Research Add to Watch List Detailed Quote Option Chain
Last [Tick] 7.97[ + ]
Change -0.11
% Change -1.36%

Bid 8.05
Bid Size 12
Ask 8.09
Ask Size 8
Open 8.09
Volume 53,200
Day High 8.16
Day Low 7.96
Previous Close 8.08
Prev. Close Date 02/27/2006
yea, i almost picked it up 5 minutes before close yesterday but decided to wait until 10am this morning hoping to get in at 7.90 or so. in after hours and pre market it's currently sitting at 8.06 as i type.
 

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s_dooley24 said:
Jack do you trade predominantly on margin or with your cash? Tougher margin requirements on those smaller companies I would assume
both and i'm new at this and not sure how it works. some of my buys they put in as margin and some they put in as cash. does that make sense? i just make the buys and they determine if it's cash or margin. i always wondered how that woorks as i am a rookie only doing this for less or about 1 year.
 

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bought into F at 7.94. target 8.50
 

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both and i'm new at this and not sure how it works. some of my buys they put in as margin and some they put in as cash. does that make sense? i just make the buys and they determine if it's cash or margin. i always wondered how that woorks as i am a rookie only doing this for less or about 1 year.


Lets say you have a 30% requirement on XXX stock and you have 10k worth of XXX

Now you want to buy ZZZ, but the margin requirement is 100% (essentially meaning you cannot purchase this security on the house's money)

However, you can decrease your cash position in XXX down to the minimum of 30%

--That now leaves you with $ 7,000 in "margin-equity" that you can purchase any security with.
i.e. the ZZZ you wanted in the first place

Its all just juggling money around to stay above the different margin calls

Federal Call
A Federal Call amount appears when you do not meet the Federal Reserve Board's initial 50% margin requirement for a trade. For example, your account equity must be large enough to cover 50% of the cost of buying a security or for the market value for a security you hold in margin in your account. Generally, the call must be satisfied within five business days from the trade date. However, Fidelity reserves the right to meet margin calls at any time prior to the stated due date.


Exchange Surplus/Call
The amount available to borrow on margin in your brokerage account, above or below the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) minimum requirement.


And now the most important...

House Maintenance Requirement
This refers to Fidelity's ongoing margin requirements which require customers to maintain a certain level of equity in their margin accounts.

Maintenance requirements are set by the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE), National Association of Securities Dealers (NASD), and the brokerage firm. Brokerage firms have the ability to modify the maintenance requirements on specific securities and individual accounts.

Currently, the Fidelity house maintenance requirement is 35% of the account's net worth.

Note: For some securities, Fidelity has established a house maintenance requirement in excess of 35%.


House Surplus/Call
House surplus or house call is the margin amount above or below the house requirement for accounts where you can borrow against margin.



My account is obviously through Fidelity so that is their requirements
 

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geez, i'll have to read slowly in order to understand all that. i guess if there was a problem, etrade would let me know?

i have 2 columns in my account. one says 'margin purchasing power' with a figure next to it and the other says 'cash purchasing power' with a figure next to it.

almost all of my stock is garbage cheapo spec shit.

i bought ford this morning and it says margin next to F in my account. BUT, i have amep, a cheapo .058 stock that says margin next to it. amep can't be bought on margin, can it?
 

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Fidelity has those two listed as such:

Symbol Name Requirement


AMEP AMERICAN ENERGY PRODUCTION INC 100%



F FORD MTR CO DEL COM 40%



Meaning that you can only hold AMEP in cash, but you can in essence mortgage/borrow against other "marginable" securities you own to purchase it. AMEP is not a marginable security.

Ford on the other hand, since it is a fairly established company (i.e. not a penny stock) the requirement is much lower, 40%. Meaning you can hold 10k worth of Ford, but only have to hold 4k of the 10k in cash, the other 6k is on your borrowed margin. Ford is a marginable secuirty.


As for issues with your account, E-Trade with definately let you know. They will usually warn you 1st of the developing situation (margin positions increasing relative to your cash position). If it gets bad they'll make you deposit more money into your account to cover the margin positions or you may sell those positions off. If you ignore them they'll liquidate at their discretion
 
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i guess regardless, there is enough cash in my account to cover everything i have no matter what they have it designated as (margin or cash). right?

looks like i bought F too early. didn't find the bottom.
 

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i guess regardless, there is enough cash in my account to cover everything i have no matter what they have it designated as (margin or cash). right?

looks like i bought F too early. didn't find the bottom.


Yeah they shouldn't let you drop below a 50/50 ratio of cash and margin on an initial purchase
 

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I try not to drop below the 50/50 mix, just to give myself some breathing room in case of a large dowturn
 

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jack , i think i'll add to ford monday
i wish i had waited until now. i never thought it would go this low. good luck.
 

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Notebook said:
Alright, I'm in...

AMEP 30,000 @ .059 filled
CYGX 3,000 @ .92 limit


Let's roll!!!

Sold all CYGX today @ 1.05 for a net profit of $390 minus fee.

Took that and bought TIDE 3,200 @ .89
 

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nice day for AMEP. VERY NICE!! about time. see what happens tomorrow.
 

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Ugggh, I guess I sold CYGX at the wrong time. Way up since I sold. Typical timing by me.
 
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